A Second American Revolution: Is It Necessary?

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Many believe that the American government is corrupt, totalitarian, or a even police state. Now, I know what you are thinking, revolution? ARE YOU INSANE?! But allow me to explain myself before you besiege me with insults or other comments. First off, most who have knowledge of a revolution in the United States know of the Revolutionary War, which is one of many examples of the more well known type of revolution, known to many as an armed revolution. However, there is another type of revolution, commonly referred to as a "peaceful revolution" in this type of revolution, protests, boycotts, and even a formal document are created, eventually forcing the government leaders to step down, similar to what occurred in Egypt. Now with the clarification out of the way, I will move on to my reasoning for such a cause.

Now, any Russian immigrant who lived in the Soviet Union can tell you that ObamaCare (Affordable Health Care Act) is Communism, think about it, everyone gets equal distribution of health care, while not having any effort to show for it. Not only that, but acts which restrict internet freedom, like SOPA or PIPA have also had enactment attempts. (That means no MassiveCraft, since they are monetizing off of copyrighted material, Minecraft, just to serve as an example.) Also, get this, Obama, while helping Syrian rebels, is also aiding AL-QAEDA, an ENEMY, not only this, but the United States' own forces threatened MUTINY for declaring war on Syria.

Trust me, there are SO MANY more examples I can give, this barely scratches the surface. Whether revolution is just or unjust, however, is up to you.

Also, state your reasoning from the poll.
 
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Are you sure there should be a revolution? That sounds kind of... Strange, really. I don't know. Going against the government doesn't sound like a great idea. I really don't think a revolution is necessary, then again, I don't know what it's like in America. But still.
 
Now, any Russian immigrant who lived in the Soviet Union can tell you that ObamaCare (Affordable Health Care Act) is Communism, think about it, everyone gets equal distribution of health care, while not having any effort to show for it. Not only that,
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Granted Obama care in it's current form is kind of stupid but at least he tried to get something done. Now I shall list all the communist (Civilized) Countries in the world.

Here is a list of countries defined as Developed Countries by the IMF: (36)
The list of Countries with Universal Health Care is the same minus the United States. Take the hint.
 
Grailen said:
Alrighty... First off as a 'Murican Socialized medical isn't "Communism" (Because of course Russia is still Communist in your mind I'm sure.) Canada has it, They're not Communist at all they just aren't a government lead by a gigantic oligarchy of lobbyists, Special interest groups and Super pacts. Second Sopa and Pipa never passed, Though the FCC (I think that's the right acronym) ruled that ISPs do not need to respect net neutrality. Third what proof do you have of this threatened mutiny? (Conservative talk show hosts Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin don't count.) and yes they gave non-military aid to various rebel groups to fight Asad when the American public bitched and moaned about him using Chemical weapons and Obama being a pussy for not stopping him.
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First off I meant it was communist in NATURE not actual communism, though you made a point about Canada, so I will say this, what about the system in the EU? Second, I KNOW Russia is not communism. (Did I not say SOVIET UNION?) Third, I never said SOPA and PIPA were passed, but the fact they were actually under consideration is revolting. Also, where did I mention Net neutrality?
Also, here is your proof: http://www.google.com/ then click on images after doing your internet search. :P
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and just say my FATHER grew up in the Soviet Union, along with my mother, aunt, uncle, grandparents, great grandparents, and my sister in the end of it.
 
Has anyone ever read 1984? Because America is practically using it as an instruction manual.
 
Look. There is no need to start a revolution. The government may be bad but God knows how bad it could get with a revolution. I think they are trying to make do with what they have and they may not be very good at it. If you don't like America, save up some money and get out of there or something. Starting a revolution is not the way to go about the U.S government. So no, it is definitely not necessary.
 
Teddie000 said:
Look. There is no need to start a revolution. The government may be bad but God knows how bad it could get with a revolution. I think they are trying to make do with what they have and they may not be very good at it. If you don't like America, save up some money and get out of there or something. Starting a revolution is not the way to go about the U.S government. So no, it is definitely not necessary.
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Yes this or you work within the system. Vote, go to rally's, start a letter campaign or online petition. That's how the system is set up. Use it.
 
Teddie000 said:
Look. There is no need to start a revolution. The government may be bad but God knows how bad it could get with a revolution. I think they are trying to make do with what they have and they may not be very good at it. If you don't like America, save up some money and get out of there or something. Starting a revolution is not the way to go about the U.S government. So no, it is definitely not necessary.
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Number one, I AM planning to move out, I'm a 15 year old, so I kind of CAN'T.
Number two, a problem with most people's counterarguments is that they do not educate themselves and listen only to biased media. America broke the Constitution multiple time by: NSA spying, street surveillance, and locking homeless people in camps (although that is North Carolina, the Federal Government needs to stop that)
 
Luxor Ignotis said:
Number one, I AM planning to move out, I'm a 15 year old, so I kind of CAN'T.
Number two, a problem with most people's counterarguments is that they do not educate themselves and listen only to biased media. America broke the Constitution multiple time by: NSA spying, street surveillance, and locking homeless people in camps (although that is North Carolina, the Federal Government needs to stop that)
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About the homeless camp & chipping thing. The articles that I have seen admit that there is no proof of that happening. And to be honest they come off as a bit nut jobish.
 
People have also posted videos of Bigfoot and such. That said post the video here and I'll do my best to view it with an open mind.
 
I bet you 5 IG regals that the NSA is reading this right now, though we will never really find out if they did or not... :/
 
Grailen said:
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this makes them credible why?
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*cough cough Providing proof cough cough* PS they only call themselves that to speak for all, they said it themselves.

@millawolf
Warning, you may not like the sound of a computerized voice.
 
I've got a Guy Fawkes mask... let me just get a camera, hoodie, and something to play a bullshit script in a computerized voice. i r anonmus.
 
Luxor Ignotis said:
*cough cough Providing proof cough cough* PS they only call themselves that to speak for all, they said it themselves.

@millawolf
Warning, you may not like the sound of a computerized voice.
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Without trying to sound rude. This video is not proof and is not backed up. I applaud your zeal for wanting to do the right thing for people, however I do not see merit nor "proof".
 
Bwahaaahahahahahahahahahahaha -deep breath- ahahahahahahahahahahahahah -another deep breath- HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

This is so stupid that I honestly have nothing more to say on the subject except "AHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA -passes out from oxygen deprivation due to laughing too much- "
 
Mecharic said:
Bwahaaahahahahahahahahahahaha -deep breath- ahahahahahahahahahahahahah -another deep breath- HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

This is so stupid that I honestly have nothing more to say on the subject except "AHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA -passes out from oxygen deprivation due to laughing too much- "
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Please dear. Let's at the very least take the high ground and be civil.
 
millawolf said:
Please dear. Let's at the very least take the high ground and be civil.
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Very well. "Civil". A revolution would kill millions upon millions of people only to put the exact same group of people in charge as before, just with a different name and face. That assuming that a revolution would actually WIN, which it won't because even if the US alone can't stand it will have help from people who invested money in it and want their investments to pay off, like China, as well as from our 'allies' across the globe like Britain.
 
Mecharic said:
Very well. "Civil". A revolution would kill millions upon millions of people only to put the exact same group of people in charge as before, just with a different name and face. That assuming that a revolution would actually WIN, which it won't because even if the US alone can't stand it will have help from people who invested money in it and want their investments to pay off, like China, as well as from our 'allies' across the globe like Britain.
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I agree. I only meant we should take the high ground and not say "Bwaaaaaaa haaaaa" ect.
 
Should I reemphasize that there is a thing called peaceful revolution? I state it in the main post. @Mecharic A revolution does not HAVE to kill millions, it's a common misconception, I will now quote the original post.
There is another type of revolution, commonly referred to as a "peaceful revolution" in this type of revolution, protests, boycotts, and even a formal document are created, eventually forcing the government leaders to step down, similar to what occurred in Egypt.
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Yes, I'm aware Egypt was rather violent, though would be considered a peaceful revolution, I could research other examples if you would like.

@millawolf Odd, I considered those pictures proof enough. Also, did do some research and there ARE laws in NC that prohibit things that homeless men do, perhaps the picture was them in a prison after committing a crime?
 
Luxor Ignotis said:
Number one, I AM planning to move out, I'm a 15 year old, so I kind of CAN'T.
Number two, a problem with most people's counterarguments is that they do not educate themselves and listen only to biased media. America broke the Constitution multiple time by: NSA spying, street surveillance, and locking homeless people in camps (although that is North Carolina, the Federal Government needs to stop that)
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I would do the same... Ireland I am coming!
 
Honestly man I think you should stop believing everything you read on the Internet. I don't exactly like the US government myself, but I don't live in the US, and if I did I wouldn't be interested in starting a revolution. Not only that, but a revolution wouldn't do anything. The best you can do is move out when you get old enough and not worry about homeless people being locked in camps and such. You can find a lot of stuff on the Internet that might seem real to some people, such as alien or UFO sightings, but that doesn't mean it's all true. Heck, I've seen pictures of a planet that was supposed to hit earth in like, 2012. I never believed it, but some people did. And yet here we are.
 
Kirby12352 said:
Honestly man I think you should stop believing everything you read on the Internet. I don't exactly like the US government myself, but I don't live in the US, and if I did I wouldn't be interested in starting a revolution. Not only that, but a revolution wouldn't do anything. The best you can do is move out when you get old enough and not worry about homeless people being locked in camps and such. You can find a lot of stuff on the Internet that might seem real to some people, such as alien or UFO sightings, but that doesn't mean it's all true. Heck, I've seen pictures of a planet that was supposed to hit earth in like, 2012. I never believed it, but some people did. And yet here we are.
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*cough cough Real life evidence and RT (major news network) cough cough*
 
You know I hate to be that guy, but you are also 15, haven't taken any political science courses at an accredited college, or the like. I saw you earlier trying to say that counter arguements only listened to biased media. Hate to break it to you, but everyone has biases, it is only natural. Besides, the whole, anonymus tv Obama trying to take over the us, sounds like the far right way of thinking. As the far right like to coin anything socialist, communist.

Simply thinking there should be some sort of a revolution due to like 5 stated concerns, some of which can not be validated, is absurd. What the hell will we do afterwards? Who runs the government? Who stays at the hospitals and pays people to do so while we reform our government? Will we have a bill of rights if some nations with guns take power? Who will take care of the elderly? Will our currency be worth anything? If the government is so bad, who the hell is good enough to replace them?

The only major problem in the US is that money has saturated our democracy and made it and oligarchy, where corporations can buy and sell our politicians to get their goals in government. The problems you state of net neutrality is caused by this very problem.

Also, let's get back to socialized medicine. You sit there and act like those who do not work should not get healthcare. Ok, so here is who should not get healthcare. Teenagers, children, babies, elderly who have worked all of their lives but now can't, someone who broke their leg, a woman who is pregnant, a person who was just played off, a person fired from work due to sexual orientation, a veteran without legs.

If you try to pass it off with, "their parents worked, or they worked in the past" then, who the hell hasn't worked in the past? Privaliged wealthy people who inherit money? Yet they own healthcare.

Just because you can find conspiracy videos on the weird side of YouTube does not mean it is time for a revolution. Calling for a revolt with no plan as to how things should run afterward is also asinine. And please tell me, as a teenager, do you expect everyone else to revolt and possibly die for you? Or do you plan on taking a gun or a bill all the way to the whitehouse and start things yourself?

Here's a hint: There are a group of crazed terrorists in america right now, killing innocent civilians and police officer because they too think america should revolt.
 
Also! "RT is the first Russian 24/7 English language news channel which brings the Russian view on global news." How could that be biased at all? And yes, that is their website description.
 
DrakeRome said:
You know I hate to be that guy, but you are also 15, haven't taken any political science courses at an accredited college, or the like. I saw you earlier trying to say that counter arguements only listened to biased media. Hate to break it to you, but everyone has biases, it is only natural. Besides, the whole, anonymus tv Obama trying to take over the us, sounds like the far right way of thinking. As the far right like to coin anything socialist, communist.

Simply thinking there should be some sort of a revolution due to like 5 stated concerns, some of which can not be validated, is absurd. What the hell will we do afterwards? Who runs the government? Who stays at the hospitals and pays people to do so while we reform our government? Will we have a bill of rights if some nations with guns take power? Who will take care of the elderly? Will our currency be worth anything? If the government is so bad, who the hell is good enough to replace them?

The only major problem in the US is that money has saturated our democracy and made it and oligarchy, where corporations can buy and sell our politicians to get their goals in government. The problems you state of net neutrality is caused by this very problem.

Also, let's get back to socialized medicine. You sit there and act like those who do not work should not get healthcare. Ok, so here is who should not get healthcare. Teenagers, children, babies, elderly who have worked all of their lives but now can't, someone who broke their leg, a woman who is pregnant, a person who was just played off, a person fired from work due to sexual orientation, a veteran without legs.

If you try to pass it off with, "their parents worked, or they worked in the past" then, who the hell hasn't worked in the past? Privaliged wealthy people who inherit money? Yet they own healthcare.

Just because you can find conspiracy videos on the weird side of YouTube does not mean it is time for a revolution. Calling for a revolt with no plan as to how things should run afterward is also asinine. And please tell me, as a teenager, do you expect everyone else to revolt and possibly die for you? Or do you plan on taking a gun or a bill all the way to the whitehouse and start things yourself?

Here's a hint: There are a group of crazed terrorists in america right now, killing innocent civilians and police officer because they too think america should revolt.
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Finally! Someone speaking rationally here. I understand your doubts about my claims, but tell me this: do you really think these are all not valid reasons? What about the government breaking the freedom expression by illegalizing protest? Or how the Federal Reserve was given more power then our leaders? Are those NOT valid reasons? What about the police brutality or the fact that someone who is a pedophile can be imprisoned for a shorter maximum time when a person performing something so simple as a DDOS can get a four year longer maximum sentence. (think about it, yes DDOSing IS bad, but which is worse, and which deserves more) Yes, I know what parts of Anonymous does can be wrong, they even said that they don't deserve leadership. Oh, another thing, the Supreme Court stated itself that it does not recognize the Constitution as a valid document, the very one the are supposed to protect! What about the drones or those implantable chips? Or the street surveillance? Are those NOT reasons for reform? The war on terror, even, the military, knowingly and mercilessly, killing innocent civilians. And your point on the terrorists, yes, they are bad people, but are you saying all Libertarians and Conspiracy Theorists are terrorists? No, that can't be the case, it is simply illogical. Yes, our government IS corrupted by greed, that is what happens when a lot of power is given, just look at any typical game server or forum, but that's why places like Massive spread the power to multiple people, so to at least somewhat relinquish greed. So why can't our government do the same? Yes, I haven't taken political sciences, yes, I admit I would be afraid to die for a cause, butdoes that mean other people aren't? Of course not! Surely there can be a better system! There's got to be.
 
I was expecting @Mecharic to say something clever, he didn't so I will try.
Ever heard of Piketty, he says that wealth and power centralises in few hands. If there weren't revolutions and wars the rich people would get richer and richer. That is why 1% percent of the US owns more than the rest. If that continues, it is just the French Revolution over again.
Would we want that? Lots of people would die, not many could take care of the old and weak in that period. Chaos, worse people to control the government. But when it all was over the system was much better. Maybe a less capitalistic system would decrease the amount of corrupt politicians. IDK
It would create chaos, mass destruction, mass death and long periods with fear. But when it is over we might have a better system for the next generations.
Sorry to refer to it as we. I don't live in the US.
 
@MonMarty I know you don't like flame wars, so I linked you to this thread, maybe you could also get an amazing point across like you always do to simplify why it was locked? It is obvious, but just asking.
 
temtedkiller said:
@MonMarty I know you don't like flame wars, so I linked you to this thread, maybe you could also get an amazing point across like you always do to simplify why it was locked? It is obvious, but just asking.
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No offense, but I think this is just a very argued thread, as many feel strongly about the subject, I would not call it a flame war as no one is insulting anyone else.
 
Madus said:
I was expecting @Mecharic to say something clever, he didn't so I will try.
Ever heard of Piketty, he says that wealth and power centralises in few hands. If there weren't revolutions and wars the rich people would get richer and richer. That is why 1% percent of the US owns more than the rest. If that continues, it is just the French Revolution over again.
Would we want that? Lots of people would die, not many could take care of the old and weak in that period. Chaos, worse people to control the government. But when it all was over the system was much better. Maybe a less capitalistic system would decrease the amount of corrupt politicians. IDK
It would create chaos, mass destruction, mass death and long periods with fear. But when it is over we might have a better system for the next generations.
Sorry to refer to it as we. I don't live in the US.
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Your sending mixed messages, so I will try to deduce it, so you're saying Revolutions are successful, but as more happen, the more chaos it will create?
 

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