The Mag Threat Arises Again, Your Thoughts

Do you support Magnanimus with what they are doing?

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How do you intend to stop me from stopping it? Because as you say "you", I am not alone on this. A large chunk of the Server will stop it, not me alone.
 
Ok I have two differing opinions on this, one from a whether I support this or not, and whether I think it as an act is ok or not:

I do think it is ok for this to happen. This is an RP and PVP server, both groups have to interact with each other. PvP'ers had go through a lot of RP work to be able to PVP legally. Wouldn't it be fair if Rp'ers had to work through some PVP to get to the roleplaying they want? After all both are legitimate reasons to play.

NOW, on to a slightly different matter. I do not agree with them in this particular case, but not for RP vs. PvP reasons. This is because a lot of the members of Magnanimus, hail from other, more peaceful factions. Many of them joined to help the Mag vs. Valyria/Raptum war. That I support. However, they choose to stay there, and go on another killing spree of smaller factions, aside from the true intentions of them being there. I do not support leaving to join a faction with the pure intent of being there to go on one of these types of raiding sprees. When Valyria was a constant threat to Algaron, I volunteered to live there and help until the situation wasn't as dire. When the time passed, I returned home, back to my original morals and priorities. If the visiting members of mag had done this, I would feel just as I did from the first war, nothing would bother me about it.
 
Sollomon666 said:
How do you intend to stop me from stopping it? Because as you say "you", I am not alone on this. A large chunk of the Server will stop it, not me alone.
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You won't stand for this, I will stand for this. I guess we're all standing for some reason. Let's see who sits down first.
 
@Alj23 this is not between me and you, this is between you and the servers RP and non-pvp population. And believe me friend, we shall stand strong until the day comes where our knees buckle, and our hearts grow weary. I offer you my seat Alj, for I will not need it, and at this point you might as well accept it..
 
Alj23 said:
You won't stand for this, I will stand for this. I guess we're all standing for some reason. Let's see who sits down first.
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Sollomon666 said:
@Alj23 this is not between me and you, this is between you and the servers RP and non-pvp population. And believe me friend, we shall stand strong until the day comes where our knees buckle, and our hearts grow weary. I offer you my seat Alj, for I will not need it, and at this point you might as well accept it..
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I like how you are saying he's alone, when he really isn't. And I don't think he's gona be standing so much as running around and murdering everything. And dodging my arrows, of course.
 
Aye I did mean him and mag, but I suspected that it was obvious by now. Aye he will be running around killing people, while they get irritated and leave....
 
Sollomon666 said:
Aye I did mean him and mag, but I suspected that it was obvious by now. Aye he will be running around killing people, while they get irritated and leave....
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Two things
1) Its kinda rude to respond to someone and not tag or quote them, but I forgive you because I really don't give two [redacted because this author is a prick]
2) What you're calling for is uniting against ALL PvPers, not just Mag and friends (that should be a comic). So that means you really are being as bad as you say that they all are (which they aren't most of them are pretty awesome).
 
Its kinda rude to respond to someone and not tag or quote them
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First off.....
1) I am not the same considering I am not doing anything violent towards anyone in hopes of 'Conquering all' and I am speaking my own opinion, as are you...
2)I can quote or not quote whatever I please, and frankly I do not appreciate the complete distance from the topic at hand with your comment about my 'rudeness'
3) Not all of Magnanimus is bad, but the fact that they are agreeing with this and following through with it, changes my overall opinion on them
 
Sollomon666 said:
First off.....
1) I am not the same considering I am not doing anything violent towards anyone in hopes of 'Conquering all' and I am speaking my own opinion, as are you...
2)I can quote or not quote whatever I please, and frankly I do not appreciate the complete distance from the topic at hand with your comment about my 'rudeness'
3) Not all of Magnanimus is bad, but the fact that they are agreeing with this and following through with it, changes my overall opinion on them
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2) Kinda valid. I just feel its rude to reply to someone and not alert them to the reply. Maybe its just me, and if thats the case then fine.
1) The thing is that you are being the same. You're trying to tell them what they can and can not do, just like they are doing to you by raiding you and prevent you from doing anything useful during the 3% (rounded up) of the week that they are raiding you. Except while thats 3% of the week for you, if they are doing that to many people that makes up more of their time. So is it really right to remove their main reason for playing because they are interupting less than 5% of your time?
3)Valid. No argue here beyond me not agreeing, but that's an opinion thing and not something that can really be altered on either side.

Sorry that it's disordered. I'm weird like that.
 
I remember the last mag raids, I hardly noticed it. Your people are making a bigger deal out of than it is, what it boils down to is that for two hours in a 168 hour week you will be annoyed, hmmmm. Also I am a RPer but when mag raided my fac I went out and faced them. I did it because they wanted PVP I wanted RP, they tried to mix both sothe least I could do was indulge them. I went out against them with a pack of wolves with iron armour and fought 4-5 prems in full god armour. I died but I didn't whine. In fact I am pretty sure one of them killed me wearing the armour I sold him the day before.
 
I kindve support mag, but im also a RPer, and a PvPer, I like to dibble dabble in between both, kindve like quick changes of a drink, infact, I have a RP character but I also am going to war with mag, and I started it. so can we all just come to our senses and hire mercs? the RP factions could resolve it easily.
 
I have no quarrel with you @Thalan79 , I speak my mind, although at times rough, it be still my opinion. You still do not seem to grasp the whole concept of what I am trying to argue....

I am not worried about getting raided by them, truly; what I care about is those players in almost every faction who join this server to have fun, and then loose all their stuff because someone wanted to have a good time. You may say that I am doing the same as they are, but I am not, for I am not attacking people and taking from them, if they wish to go against a faction that is similar in strength to theirs, let them do so, but knowing that this will only bring a loss of players to the server, I am arguing that they be generous, to an extent.

Let Magnanimus enemy who they wish, but I enjoyed it back in the day when they needed a reason to enemy people, not just cause, like how when you first join minecraft and you join this server, it is a whole different feel to the way you play the game. Most have argued today that RP and PVP are different and similar, which they both are, but when a faction is full of new players and gets attacked by a faction of darkroom'ing people every week, they seem to loose interest in the server they play on because they loose everything.

It was mentioned that we should all just cower inside and let them raid as they please, but to what extent? Since they can raid for 2 hours any week, that means they can raid every week for two hours, which would make players have to stay indoors, not know if this is the day they get killed. Someone else said as well that this is what minecraft was meant for, but yet I see that as rather inaccurate. Minecraft is made so that people can use their imagination to prosper and enjoy every moment, even with the occasional up and down within your own journey. Of coarse pvp is a part of minecraft, but at the same time, you have to realize that you are playing against real people, and is your fun truly worth making someone else sad?

Minecraft itself is open to a world of possibilities, RP'ing, PVP'ing, building, mining, ect...and all of these things can coincide together if given enough room to breath. What Mag is doing is suffocating those who would prefer to live life in peace and to stay out of conflicts such as this. Some may then argue that they shouldn't be playing on this server then, well guess what, they are, and I believe the server would wish for them to stay.
 
Now that would be a sight to see lol, although due to my lack of coordination in combat, highly unlikely x)
 
@Sollomon666 Excellent bit. I don't agree with it, but excellent bit.

You're right. During a raid people lose items. That's part of what makes a raid a raid. And to keep track of raids, it takes effort. You need members to keep track of when the raid was, so they can then be on the alert for when the next one will occur. It takes effort to get your people to either hide or train (or set up traps). And all of this effort is for an event that again takes up 3% of the week.

That's a lot of effort for a really small chunk of the week. For some that's too much effort. For some they would rather write and RP than train and fight (or dig and build. Or farm. Or stare at water for three hours....you know who you are...). And while one may be caught off guard by the initial raid, they should then have several days to prepare and be ready for the next one. And while it may seem like new factions get butchered by this process, I can tell you that my own faction is evidence to the contrary. When we started, we got hammered by several larger factions (Algaron, Victalia, Essex/Essectia). And you know what? Even with our allies coming to help we still got our arses handed to us. We were eventually conquered and joined the Victalian Empire up until it erupted into civil war and then we left. However, we still remain on this server, and being beaten up by a larger faction didn't deter us from playing. If anything, it gave us motivation to get better at combat (which then we got bored with, but thats a separate story all together).

You say that PvP doesn't help new people, but it helped us when we started our faction (which at the time I was the only 'veteran'). IronLegion was trying to help people PvP a while back as well, another example of PvPers trying to do exactly what you are, which is to help make the world less hostile to new players. With Mag being this big bad enemy, it helps factions to actually be more concerned about potential attacks. A tactical faction leader should think of the threat they pose, and find a way around it, be it fighting, hiding, or standing around or leanding on the Conviction Wall (which is still on sale for the meager price of 20, 000r.) All they want is to play the game their way, just as you do. While they may take items, you're solution would take their reason for playing away which some would argue is worse.

So, once again,

Not So Different.
 
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Definition of Admin abuse from a moderator of a killing floor server- Admin abuse is as follows, using administrator powers to cheat, threaten people because u dont like them, exhibiting favoritisim and giving them items without being fair to everyone else and giving them the same items.

Using admin powers to boost your pvp skills, using admin powers to view enemy chats for personal gain, etc.

If you use admin powers to abuse your position the it is admin abuse. This is coming from a modrator of a killing floor server (me)
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1. Using administrator powers to cheat
2. Threaten people because you don't like them
3. Exhibiting favoritism and giving them items without being fair to everyone else.
4. Using admin powers to boost your pvp skills
5. Using your admin powers to view enemy chats for personal gain, etc.

This is what you said admin abuse is, may I just ask which one Magnanimus did and what proof you have of it?


Sarge_Peppers said:
hell I will enlist in Mag right now if it means i can crack the skulls of all these pretentious rprs who refuse to even learn about what life was pre sharding, and refuse to bow down to who is obviously superior to them outside of regalia
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Whoa where did this come from all of a sudden?

"Pretentious rprs who refuse to even learn about what life was pre sharding"
It was laggy, we didn't starve.


Sarge_Peppers said:
How is this for a reason. Pretentious RPrs think they are somehow better than us because they have a well known character in Regalia, but outside of Regalia they are truly peasants. Instead of realizing that they are really peasants they decide to banter PvPrs who have been shat on for all the support they gave to the server before the proliferation of RP.
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And you think that you are better than them because you have spent more time in a darkroom, neither one is correct.

Sarge, there was no witchhunt on pvpers, we are
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Blake you don't understand. It all goes back to the imperials. This signified a time of free pvp. It was an experience of no other. Sure they had "RP" aspects, but the objective was to kill noobs and take money. Now if something was attempted anywhere near the bounds of the Imperials. It would be illegal.
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From the massivecraft website.
"As a role-play server with its own interesting lore, traits, and quests, "

"This signified a time of free pvp"
You are making this sound so much more dramatic than it is Sarge, it's a minecraft server.

"But the objective was to kill noobs and take money"
And you wonder why they changed the rules.

Face it Sarge, you were playing the role of a bully and you are mad now that they removed your ability to do so.


TheBatman1016 said:
Ok I have two differing opinions on this, one from a whether I support this or not, and whether I think it as an act is ok or not:

I do think it is ok for this to happen. This is an RP and PVP server, both groups have to interact with each other. PvP'ers had go through a lot of RP work to be able to PVP legally. Wouldn't it be fair if Rp'ers had to work through some PVP to get to the roleplaying they want? After all both are legitimate reasons to play.
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The difference is that this is a RP server focused at RP, with the element of PvP included.
Quite frankly I think that the thought of RPers having to PvP even the slightest to get to RP is ridiculous. One takes time in the darkroom, good items and practice, the other one you can just start on after 15 minutes of reading.
 
I do agree with the points you make here @Thalan79 , but I never did say that it was bad that players loose items. Sure it make them depressed and a bit down, but that doesn't stop them from trying again. The things that stop them are the sorts of people who take joy in attacking non-involved people to force them to their own way of thinking, which sadly is what this is.

I know you might say that "They are not forcing them", but in a way they are. They say if you do not want to be raided, then you can hide within your base or just pay the sum of money that they tell you as tribute. Frankly I find that this prevents players from ever achieving their goals, because sadly in this server you need many a regal to get your way. Let's say that this week Mag decides to raid a faction, and the first week they get killed several times, loose stuff, and have to gather new things (not so bad) but then after saying they will not submit, Mag comes the next week and does the same, and again and again, until finally they are forced to pay the sum of money. Say that sum of money could have made a faction, and that faction could have prospered, but now we would never know; Highly unlikely story of coarse, but it brings my point across that some players work hard for what they have in different ways, but in this sense they are being reaped for what they have sown.

@**Brandon** I do not intend to stop Magnanimus, I hope to settle this conflict and hopefully make them realize that a different coarse of action should be taken, rather than trying to kill the whole server over a few petty coins and the satisfaction of many a dead players who used to have fun.
 
Højere is writer so many posts I didn't have time to read it all. But this is my honest opinion.
Some people was talking about a world war on massive. If it is true that magnanimus attack everyone. We might see the world war coming soon. But isn't here other big pvp factions. Magnanimus can't be the only one raiding all the time.
Personally 2 hours a week isn't much. You can come and attack me. But I will just fight back. Most people in the faction I am in, doesn't have premium or god armour. What de they do when they have no chance against attacker? They go hide in a hole. But I think a lot of people forget that they can just hide. Another ing everyone forget is other big factions. Magnanimus isn't the only one raiding.
 
Offers us some feedback. Tell us what we should do besides "stop raiding." At this point I'm all ears.
  • We want to pvp. That's obvious. Include fighting in your suggestions.
 
Madus said:
Højere is writer so many posts I didn't have time to read it all. But this is my honest opinion.
Some people was talking about a world war on massive. If it is true that magnanimus attack everyone. We might see the world war coming soon. But isn't here other big pvp factions. Magnanimus can't be the only one raiding all the time.
Personally 2 hours a week isn't much. You can come and attack me. But I will just fight back. Most people in the faction I am in, doesn't have premium or god armour. What de they do when they have no chance against attacker? They go hide in a hole. But I think a lot of people forget that they can just hide. Another ing everyone forget is other big factions. Magnanimus isn't the only one raiding.
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"But isn't here other big pvp factions"
Yes, and they are in war with Magnanimus right now, Raptum being one of them.
 
I'd just like to say that about five-six Magnanimus members raided Mithril earlier. We got outnumbered and our assess handed to us. I'm have no shame in saying another put up a damn good fight. We aren't as unstoppable as you think we are. I contribute the loss to our disorganized attacks and Raptum well defence tactics.
 
Alj23 said:
Offers us some feedback. Tell us what we should do besides "stop raiding." At this point I'm all ears.
  • We want to pvp. That's obvious. Include fighting in your suggestions.
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I just want to point out that this puts the burden of solving the problem on the players being attacked, while removing the responsibility of the attackers and moderators.

If people are obviously not happy with what you are doing, the burden lies on you to fix it.
 
Alj23 said:
I'd just like to say that about five-six Magnanimus members raided Mithril earlier. We got outnumbered and our assess handed to us. I'm have no shame in saying another put up a damn good fight. We aren't as unstoppable as you think we are. I contribute the loss to our disorganized attacks and Raptum well defence tactics.
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Your post suggests that Raptum defended Mithril..... Uh..... Not sure here..... Did that actually happen?
 
  • We want to pvp. That's obvious. Include fighting in your suggestions.
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Ok then, here we go:
~You should still raid, if that is the philosophy behind your faction than do not stop
~Do not enemy everyone, but rather instead Work your way from faction to faction and if a faction does not want to be involved with your raiding and the war, then do not force them
 
Sollomon666 said:
Ok then, here we go:
~You should still raid, if that is the philosophy behind your faction than do not stop
~Do not enemy everyone, but rather instead Work your way from faction to faction and if a faction does not want to be involved with your raiding and the war, then do not force them
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You claim to be wanting an "RP" experience yet you want people to ask if they can raid you? I'm sorry, I don't like raiding for no reason but that's just really really stupid....
 
Ok that was worded poorly I do agree. But my point is that if factions would prefer not to be in a war, they should not be forced
 
Alj23 said:
Offers us some feedback. Tell us what we should do besides "stop raiding." At this point I'm all ears.
  • We want to pvp. That's obvious. Include fighting in your suggestions.
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Go to PVP Aqua if you want to PVP hell i'd go there and join you just so you could pvp and let you kill me as many times as you want but dont go around attacking new factions and weaker RP Factions thats just going way to far not to mention the whole *Support us or get enemied* thing is just downright bullying and forcing RPers to PVP when they arn't PVPers
 
Robin_Hazak said:
Go to PVP Aqua if you want to PVP hell i'd go there and join you just so you could pvp and let you kill me as many times as you want but dont go around attacking new factions and weaker RP Factions thats just going way to far not to mention the whole *Support us or get enemied* thing is just downright bullying and forcing RPers to PVP when they arn't PVPers
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And the war declarations force PVPers to RP,, your point being?
 
I am trying to meet in the middle @Terrariauk . Of coarse I think there should be a rp reason, but seeing they do not want to rp in away, you sometimes have to make a compromise. He asked for advice for the war he is waging against the server, so I gave him advice. I am not saying that any faction should be aloud to raid whenever they want.
 
Sarge_Peppers said:
@Ellimairy is the most notorious of snobby rprs to believe she is more powerful than pvprs. Also sexyrose_ too.
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And thank god we are in the same faction. @Lady Rose Also, did I ever RP with you? No, I did not. But yes, I use roleplay in my advantage against pvp, seeing I never trained for that. But with roleplay I am able to do other things then gain some kills.

I could get someones name out there for harrasing or attacking me. Some benefits of rp. And if you wish to pvp, I will decline. Just tagging other members of my faction to let them be on the lookout for you. If you decide to annoy us.

@DanyWood @Ben_2025 @Antoinette
 
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