Reminiscing The Days Massivecraft Supported Us, Aswell.
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This sounds somewhat a good idea. Best to talk than having another thread locked up and forever forgotten.
As a Roleplayer, Pvper, and Staff Member I feel an inherent need to voice the unique viewpoint which I am able to offer in light of the rise of these PVP complaint threads.
There is this HUGE assumption that PvPers are being ignored and that PvP is utterly and entirely ruined.
Honestly, are you kidding me?
Never before in the history of this server has more time and focus been put into trying to find a reliable solution to the problems that players have been voicing. However, this is not a simple nor easy task as is demonstrated by the arguments and varying opinions on the thread by Monmarty asking for suggestions to fix. Making PVP more enjoyable for all parties is a complex matter, something that will not be easily solved.
As well, the ONLY major difference that I see in PVP today is the removal of Bloodlust and the reduction of lag. For this reason, perhaps something similar to bloodlust could be reconsidered to being added but these additions can not be made if players are up in arms over the ruining of pvp that is still the same at its core.
Threads like these:
http://forums.massivecraft.com/threads/calling-all-pvprs-we-need-you-we-need-to-make-a-change.11340/
Are NOT helping a thing. They are only furthering the divide between those enjoy PVP or Roleplay.
However, threads like these:
http://forums.massivecraft.com/threads/enderpearls.11186/#post-117573
http://forums.massivecraft.com/threads/a-fix-to-god-apples.11254/#post-119717
Are GREAT in that they calmly and constructively put forward an idea which may or may not improve the situation rather than further antagonize it
Try to view these events from a team member's perspective and you'll see the struggles which we, the staff, face. The staff are not here to make the popular decisions but rather the tough decisions which, hopefully, are the best for the server's future. So before you post, try to think from a different Perspective.
Oh ya. Always a good idea to just relax about things like this. In the end, it's just a game and both Roleplayers and Pvpers are just trying to have fun, albeit in different ways at times.
There is this HUGE assumption that PvPers are being ignored and that PvP is utterly and entirely ruined.
Honestly, are you kidding me?
Never before in the history of this server has more time and focus been put into trying to find a reliable solution to the problems that players have been voicing. However, this is not a simple nor easy task as is demonstrated by the arguments and varying opinions on the thread by Monmarty asking for suggestions to fix. Making PVP more enjoyable for all parties is a complex matter, something that will not be easily solved.
As well, the ONLY major difference that I see in PVP today is the removal of Bloodlust and the reduction of lag. For this reason, perhaps something similar to bloodlust could be reconsidered to being added but these additions can not be made if players are up in arms over the ruining of pvp that is still the same at its core.
Threads like these:
http://forums.massivecraft.com/threads/calling-all-pvprs-we-need-you-we-need-to-make-a-change.11340/
Are NOT helping a thing. They are only furthering the divide between those enjoy PVP or Roleplay.
However, threads like these:
http://forums.massivecraft.com/threads/enderpearls.11186/#post-117573
http://forums.massivecraft.com/threads/a-fix-to-god-apples.11254/#post-119717
Are GREAT in that they calmly and constructively put forward an idea which may or may not improve the situation rather than further antagonize it
Try to view these events from a team member's perspective and you'll see the struggles which we, the staff, face. The staff are not here to make the popular decisions but rather the tough decisions which, hopefully, are the best for the server's future. So before you post, try to think from a different Perspective.
Oh ya. Always a good idea to just relax about things like this. In the end, it's just a game and both Roleplayers and Pvpers are just trying to have fun, albeit in different ways at times.
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My recall of the events based on what others have said:
Am I missing anything?
- Pvp is popular and has had it's popularity increase over the few years that MassiveCraft has existed. Majority of loyal players on the server are loyal and powerful Pvpers. Like every Pvp server, new people usually aren't very welcomed by the community due to how underpowered they are. (Based on my experience with other faction supporting servers.)
- Massive craft is a roleplay server and has cool plugins. Roleplayers who have the power of words begin dominating the minds of everyone. Slowly the scales begin to tip on the scale of players. Admins can no longer ignore the influence of this new community and devote a few months to satisfy their needs.
- Big changes left and right that throw the Pvp majority off guard. Arguments over how to balance this and that pop up everywhere. Soon enough, the server changes its motto from freedom and chaos - to peace and confinement. Limits are placed everywhere to ensure that everything is fair for the "New" Pvp community. (Based on my experience with a previous forum supporting community.)
- The future: ???
Am I missing anything?
Cruallassar
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Make this clear in your threads, you won't have anyone saying it does. Just saying something, not saying you haven't been, not saying you are against rp.
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Again, why do only the opinions of these people matter. It's like this group of Invictus, Alamut, Chron etc are the only people who have a valid opinion on the matter. If you grab all of these factions together, they aren't even 4% of the daily active server population.
A rare sight for you, a non premium battle. Can you with a straight face say to me you think these people have the same validity in their opinion as you do? MassiveCraft's community is so much larger than just those factions and their allies.
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About that last part about the trade chat, are you seriously using all literal ammunition you have against me right now? Trade chat was a mistake. The fact you just mentioned that is completely irrelevant to our topic. I know you hosted that server thing I was there aswell. But you are just so hostile on my thread and the other threads. And I never said roleplayers are irrelevant to the server? Please stop going ALL out against me.
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Again, why do only the opinions of these people matter. It's like this group of Invictus, Alamut, Chron etc are the only people who have a valid opinion on the matter. If you grab all of these factions together, they aren't even 4% of the daily active server population.
A rare sight for you, a non premium battle. Can you with a straight face say to me you think these people have the same validity in their opinion as you do? MassiveCraft's community is so much larger than just those factions and their allies.
Yeah, 4% of the community now , most of them quit because PvP was left in the shadows for the longest time UNTIL now. OR Majority just save they're items and stay inactive.
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That 4% are the ones who dedicated a part of their life to massivecraft, buying premium and staying loyal to it. Then it just completly changed on them.Again, why do only the opinions of these people matter. It's like this group of Invictus, Alamut, Chron etc are the only people who have a valid opinion on the matter. If you grab all of these factions together, they aren't even 4% of the daily active server population.
A rare sight for you, a non premium battle. Can you with a straight face say to me you think these people have the same validity in their opinion as you do? MassiveCraft's community is so much larger than just those factions and their allies.
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In other words, the players that helped found and support this server in the beginning dont mean anything. WOW The fact is there views are supported by many other players and have no problem having them represent them.Again, why do only the opinions of these people matter. It's like this group of Invictus, Alamut, Chron etc are the only people who have a valid opinion on the matter. If you grab all of these factions together, they aren't even 4% of the daily active server population.
A rare sight for you, a non premium battle. Can you with a straight face say to me you think these people have the same validity in their opinion as you do? MassiveCraft's community is so much larger than just those factions and their allies.
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Again, why do only the opinions of these people matter. It's like this group of Invictus, Alamut, Chron etc are the only people who have a valid opinion on the matter. If you grab all of these factions together, they aren't even 4% of the daily active server population.
A rare sight for you, a non premium battle. Can you with a straight face say to me you think these people have the same validity in their opinion as you do? MassiveCraft's community is so much larger than just those factions and their allies.
MonMarty , you say your not hostile to the PvP community, yet you wont sit down and chat with them about ideas, and only ideas. Chron, Invictus and Alamut are also usual on the /f list, so they probably are more up to date then a lot of other players. Also, if this was a talk about new RP ideas, would you talk to them then?
ALSO - MonMarty
If they had spent the number of hours people like me have on training skills, and becoming a PvPer at general, I would completely say they have the same validity.
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Again, why do only the opinions of these people matter. It's like this group of Invictus, Alamut, Chron etc are the only people who have a valid opinion on the matter. If you grab all of these factions together, they aren't even 4% of the daily active server population.
A rare sight for you, a non premium battle. Can you with a straight face say to me you think these people have the same validity in their opinion as you do? MassiveCraft's community is so much larger than just those factions and their allies.
Non-Premium raids are fun, it helps you learn more to base skill off actual PVP than armour, knowing you'd have less McMMo than skill in PVP...
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You are not a PVP'r You were but you have gone off the PVP end and on to the RP end sadly my friend /:
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Sounds like he is glad to see these factions go, and it shows. Your attitude really stinks. Really.Again, why do only the opinions of these people matter. It's like this group of Invictus, Alamut, Chron etc are the only people who have a valid opinion on the matter. If you grab all of these factions together, they aren't even 4% of the daily active server population.
A rare sight for you, a non premium battle. Can you with a straight face say to me you think these people have the same validity in their opinion as you do? MassiveCraft's community is so much larger than just those factions and their allies.
As i stated ingame, when Fendarfell is released, quest plugin is done we will look into pvp and we will listen to what people have to say, ALL kinds of people, those who pvp alot and those who pvp little. You haven't got a claim to be the only ones talking about pvp since you pvp most. We will look into changes and what can be done to balance and make it better all around for everyone.
BUT if we dont implement everything you say and feel its against what we want and wont to be the best for the server at the time you can't go all "OMG ragefest they never listen!" We do listen, we do take your input into account, but we also take the input of others wich opinions count equally as much. And pvp is tricky to make fair and balanced and all.
You might think its as easy as giving back god apples but in reality that is not a longterm fix. Wich is why we need to look at the whole picture and figure out how to make it better. Now i suggest you guys cut the bickering out and play nicely and have some patience and realise that we have it on the agenda but things take time.
-Thortuna
BUT if we dont implement everything you say and feel its against what we want and wont to be the best for the server at the time you can't go all "OMG ragefest they never listen!" We do listen, we do take your input into account, but we also take the input of others wich opinions count equally as much. And pvp is tricky to make fair and balanced and all.
You might think its as easy as giving back god apples but in reality that is not a longterm fix. Wich is why we need to look at the whole picture and figure out how to make it better. Now i suggest you guys cut the bickering out and play nicely and have some patience and realise that we have it on the agenda but things take time.
-Thortuna
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After spending an enormous amount of time trying to both remedy the PVP situation whilst greatly improving the Roleplay and Lore, I'd expect Mon to be angered when players begin making accusations that they are forgotten and that no one cares about them.
:^)... What? It is possible to both Roleplay and PVP, something which more players should realize
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I know, I know! Do not get me wrong, he has every right to be upset. Lots of people probably are. But when one is angry and upset is not a good time to post something, as I have learned to my great personal embarrassment and disappointment. I was merely stating that perhaps the two should take a break to think about what each has said rather then continuing the debate while emotionally entangled with it?
Cruallassar
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Those are not exactly mutually exclusive. Something that if you would accept, your suggestions and threads would improve in quality tenfold.
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Well, you don't need to grind PVP skills in a darkroom for over 6 hours to have a good opinion on raiding and PVP. Sometimes even just 1 hour on a battlefield every week can be enough.
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Well i hope your agenda outlast the servers demise. I can remember at 150 cap people were begging to get in. Now 200 is a stretch. IMO the focus should be on bringing back the days when massive was fun for all.
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People write as they will. They fight as they will. They bicker and banter, berate and beguile alike depending on how they wish to enjoy Massive. Because we're all enjoying it, right?
I just.... Want to see everybody chilling and getting back to the important things. I mean, roleplaying and pvp dont need to be exclusive, and we're all here to just have fun. I'm sorry you feel we aren't contributing the right sort of time to the pvp community, but there are some really great pvp'ers who enjoy roleplaying, and vice versa! We'll do everything we can to help both sides enjoy the game, and take any feedback otherwise into careful consideration. That sound about fair?
I'll toss you an invite to roleplay with sometime, and you show me a good pvp event sometime, 'kay?
I just.... Want to see everybody chilling and getting back to the important things. I mean, roleplaying and pvp dont need to be exclusive, and we're all here to just have fun. I'm sorry you feel we aren't contributing the right sort of time to the pvp community, but there are some really great pvp'ers who enjoy roleplaying, and vice versa! We'll do everything we can to help both sides enjoy the game, and take any feedback otherwise into careful consideration. That sound about fair?
I'll toss you an invite to roleplay with sometime, and you show me a good pvp event sometime, 'kay?
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Requesting delete for my thread. Thanks.
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Dat bloodlust <3
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I feel like people miss the point of the server, and it can be easily misconstrued due to miss communications, a year ago, if someone refered to this server as a PvP server, they would have been shot down several times by mods/admins stating multiple times that this is a RP server, not a PvP server, now that seems to have changed as I see staff saying its an RP server and some staff saying it is a RP/PvP server but making it perfectly clear, that you cannot have one without the other. This being said, the reasons they made so many PvP rules was due to the fact that it was causing stress on players of the server who didnt want to PvP. Just felt that needed clarification seeing as alot of PvPrs continue the argument on hating the fact they need an RP reason to raid. Yes, there is the possibility that they can simply go to spawn, but most raiders dont care, and show up when you return either within an hour or the next day.
That being said, it still feels as if the server is mainly focused on RP rather than PvP, this is not necessarily a bad thing. Many people come here just to raid for the sake of raiding, this server is not for that, it is for both. You want to raid someone, you need a justified cause. I dont see why SOME (not all) people who focus mainly on PvP dont understand that this server is meant to have both qualities go hand in hand. That is simply what the server is meant for. If you want to straight out raid, like many other players have stated, there are PLENTY of straight raiding based servers out there.
That being said, it still feels as if the server is mainly focused on RP rather than PvP, this is not necessarily a bad thing. Many people come here just to raid for the sake of raiding, this server is not for that, it is for both. You want to raid someone, you need a justified cause. I dont see why SOME (not all) people who focus mainly on PvP dont understand that this server is meant to have both qualities go hand in hand. That is simply what the server is meant for. If you want to straight out raid, like many other players have stated, there are PLENTY of straight raiding based servers out there.
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