Reminiscing The Days Massivecraft Supported Us, Aswell.

[iMineNewbs]

Well, considering roleplayers and pvpers have just been flaming at eachother, staff chooses ONLY the roleplay staff, I haven't seen much staff step out to aid us in the suggestions and siding with us defending PvP. So I'm just searching up videos of what evidence there is of Wars that we're fun, Unfortunately most of them weren't recorded, really wish MonMarty had that livestream still of the Solaris War.

AH that war was fun, Good ol pearl get away and got called a combat logger :'), both sides fought well.

Wasn't a big war or anything, but a catchy PvP raid video from SoTotallyAce, Ah PvP..

Roleplayers are going to hate me for posting that ^ But it was fun, During the Wars of Valyria which I can hardly find any trace of ... :/

Well wrapping it up, im disappointed things couldn't cooperate, I keep trying my best to make great suggestions and be reasonable with others, nobody is respecting that, so I as an individual might be leaving the server soon aswell, I mean clearly PvPers aren't wanted at all so I'm kind of not feeling like playing much anymore, I just hope some suggestions actually were taken into consideration.. And suggestions by Regular PvPers that have been here for awhile that is. Because in my eyes we are the ones that were dedicated and invested so much time into this.

 

[FCCarnilord]

I find it funny how pvp'ers say they have to put up with roleplayers...
and roleplayers say we have to put up with pvp'ers...
You know its always going to be one side or the other, its not like the staff are telling you to completely leave the server and everything you had in it.
if you still leave,
Enjoy your future times.

 

[xshortbusx]

OH NO......Locked

 

[favoured]

Just an interesting point, I don't think that many roleplayers hated the "red wedding" massacre. It became a mini meme thing on the server for a little while, and I think a lot of people actually liked it.

 

[Lord_ArchAngel]

Well put iMine, some of the oldest and stupidest reasons for wars and raids were the best and most fun. From raiding dark rooms, to crashing weddings to taking over the server. Its sad to see all that all the skills we trained, all the weapons/armor made will stop being of used. ;(

 

[MonMarty]

Excuse me sir, the server has been up for 3+ years. We spend like 4 months to help roleplayers and then we suddenly supposedly drop support for the PVP community?

 

[Lord_ArchAngel]

Just an interesting point, I don't think that many roleplayers hated the "red wedding" massacre. It became a mini meme thing on the server for a little while, and I think a lot of people actually liked it.

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Exactly, huge wars on the server go like this
1-A faction goes raid 4 lulz and ruin peoples lives
2- people get fed up and calling in allies to help
3- the "bad guys" get their own allies to help them
4- both sides start waging war over and over and over
5- It was fun for BOTH sides, winning or losing.
From past experienced during the Mag Vs Solaris war, Even tho Solaris was losing, I had TONS of fun fighting against mag.

 

[xshortbusx]

Excuse me sir, the server has been up for 3+ years. We spend like 4 months to help roleplayers and then we suddenly supposedly drop support for the PVP community?

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Yep dropped it months ago

 

[iMineNewbs]

Sorry , I know you didn't drop support but i mean i feel like you been just flaming at us, aswell most of us are flaming towards you aswell, But I am not. Please Marty I don't want this thread to become a big fighting thing, I just want people to see and appreciate how much alot of us still love how it is, with such little history of it existing on Youtube. Sorry if I made you angry. Its mainly not MonMarty Thortuna or Gethelp , Its mainly roleplay staff that just can't have any support for us at all, Im sure some do , sorry if I didn't see your specific posts of support.

 

[Mecharic]

Ah, I reminisce about the good old days... when people didn't post threads complaining about why they're life in a game is horrible and why people who volunteer to help them are morons and not doing their jobs. I suppose I just missed that PvP Golden Age by a window of being there for the entire thing.

 

[iMineNewbs]

I find it funny how pvp'ers say they have to put up with roleplayers...
and roleplayers say we have to put up with pvp'ers...
You know its always going to be one side or the other, its not like the staff are telling you to completely leave the server and everything you had in it.
if you still leave,
Enjoy your future times.

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There's not alot of staff to support PvP completely, I know Tom1804 was the last staff I knew that actually PvPed regularly , Thats when PvP was still being payed attention to. Grailen used to PvP alot aswell it's said to see him so negative towards us now. Bsavs was a very populary PvPer, I know he still has miss how it used to be in some way. Just wish he'd help us speak out.

And I wouldn't enjoy future times, only reason I play minecraft truly is because of Massivecraft.

 

[iMineNewbs]

I find it funny how pvp'ers say they have to put up with roleplayers...
and roleplayers say we have to put up with pvp'ers...
You know its always going to be one side or the other, its not like the staff are telling you to completely leave the server and everything you had in it.
if you still leave,
Enjoy your future times.

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There's not alot of staff to support PvP completely, I know Tom1804 was the last staff I knew that actually PvPed regularly , Thats when PvP was still being payed attention to. Grailen used to PvP alot aswell it's said to see him so negative towards us now. Bsavs was a very populary PvPer, I know he still has miss how it used to be in some way. Just wish he'd help us speak out.

And I wouldn't enjoy future times, only reason I play minecraft truly is because of Massivecraft.

 

[xXBlingXx]

Excuse me sir, the server has been up for 3+ years. We spend like 4 months to help roleplayers and then we suddenly supposedly drop support for the PVP community?

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It is not that you stopped support it is just that the focus has been roleplay so the support has been minimal. You have to understand we are all human and when a change happens so suddenly where PVP is getting less support than roleplay it is a weird change and we are all just trying to go on with our time on massive Co-Exsisting with RP

 

[iMineNewbs]

Ah, I reminisce about the good old days... when people didn't post threads complaining about why they're life in a game is horrible and why people who volunteer to help them are morons and not doing their jobs. I suppose I just missed that PvP Golden Age by a window of being there for the entire thing.

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Even though I raided you alot, <3 thank you

Please nobody flame at bling even if he provokes, lets keep this thread calm, I request deletion upon any flaming posts. Just watch the videos, and imagine how much more there was that actually wasn't recorded.

 

[MonMarty]

Sorry , I know you didn't drop support but i mean i feel like you been just flaming at us, aswell most of us are flaming towards you aswell, But I am not. Please Marty I don't want this thread to become a big fighting thing, I just want people to see and appreciate how much alot of us still love how it is, with such little history of it existing on Youtube. Sorry if I made you angry. Its mainly not MonMarty Thortuna or Gethelp , Its mainly roleplay staff that just can't have any support for us at all, Im sure some do , sorry if I didn't see your specific posts of support.

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Then why did you make a thread which effectively starts with "I'm quitting the server because not every plugin revolves around us". instead of using your effort by creating an interest group of pvp'ers who will come to a wholesome conclusion and present it to us, you're just perpetuating a constantly fractured group of players and antagonizing both the staff, the roleplayers and everything in between in an attempt to force your way trough.

Roleplayers are unanimous about what they want, and they are able to convey it. When I ask pvp'ers for their opinions on what should change, they spend 5 pages argueing with each other until I have to lock the thread due to flaming.

Also explain to me what exactly, and then I don't mean some vague claim. Quote exactly what rule, what change or what mechanic makes you belief roleplayers are being favored over pvp'ers.

Yep dropped it months ago

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The same goes for you.

 

[xshortbusx]

I have seen pvpers forced into roleplay for fear of being banned for raiding.

 

[FCCarnilord]

iMineNewbs if Massivecraft was your main LOVED minecraft experience, why drop it all because of a favour to something?
Believe me, an event like this happened but with a player who I feel cant be replaced, and I just about quit. A few players and more thinking easily brought me back, people or not, roleplay character or not, pvp limits or not. There will always be a time the opposite side will be favoured, but that doesn't mean you are forgotten.

 

[thor5648]

Then why did you make a thread which effectively starts with "I'm quitting the server because not every plugin revolves around us". instead of using your effort by creating an interest group of pvp'ers who will come to a wholesome conclusion and present it to us, you're just perpetuating a constantly fractured group of players and antagonizing both the staff, the roleplayers and everything in between in an attempt to force your way trough.

Roleplayers are unanimous about what they want, and they are able to convey it. When I ask pvp'ers for their opinions on what should change, they spend 5 pages argueing with each other until I have to lock the thread due to flaming.

Also explain to me what exactly, and then I don't mean some vague claim. Quote exactly what rule, what change or what mechanic makes you belief roleplayers are being favored over pvp'ers.


The same goes for you.

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Well your role play staff kinda all just specifically said staff is biased to rpers. So Uhh I guess that is what makes us think that.

 

[BulbousDevourer]

This is a roleplay server. If you don't want to roleplay, go do some mindless killing on a Hunger Games server and quit complaining. In case you haven't noticed, the roleplay quality of the server has been at a lot the past while, and the staff are focusing on this more than PvP because this server is based on roleplay. I've been noticing people have been starting to roleplay better lately. So once the good roleplay is back up, I imagine the staff will start focusing on PvP. In the meantime, have fun playing Hunger Games.

 

[Commanderkull]

What the combination of these threads look like to me: coalition against roleplay. Here soon I will post a threa supporting both ideas that are neither biased nor untrue. I will propose compromises an such. All I've seen here is either people flaming at Marty or people flaming at invictus. Let's keep our heads even!

 

[xshortbusx]

The same goes for you.

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The server got extremely boring, no one could raid anyone without the staff threatening sanctions.

 

[MonMarty]

Tom1804 was the last staff I knew that actually PvPed regularly

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Might I just add that you guys (and I mean "you guys" very broadly as a reference to pvp'ers in general) bullied him out of being a staff member and caused his demotion and effective exile to roleplay.

Well your role play staff kinda all just specifically said staff is biased to rpers. So Uhh I guess that is what makes us think that.

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Roleplay staff have no in game power, no say on server matters, no right to talk about anything on server policy. They exist to write stories and do character reviews. In a way they are basically just forum moderators. That's like saying we favor forum users because we hire forum moderators instead of non-forum people moderators.

The server got extremely boring, no one could raid anyone without the staff threatening sanctions.

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3 factions have gotten sanctions, and only so for lolzraiding everyone around them for longer than 3 hours a day, while also unleashing flame. There are plenty of wars between players, but the majority of the issue is massive alliance networks and everyone being too afraid to declare war on anyone.

Literally, there is no rule or law to stop you from declaring war on Alamut and Ghiscari for the reason "asserting military dominance on the server", but you choose not to, and now you blame the staff and the server for your inability to do something yourself.

 

[Imboring56]

The server got extremely boring, no one could raid anyone without the staff threatening sanctions.

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Yet you all still hut and run raided DeathFist...

 

[xshortbusx]

Yet you all still hut and run raided DeathFist...

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Yeah but deathfist deserved it Biggest bunch of babys i have ever seen.

 

[FCCarnilord]

At this point, some pvp'ers need to realize...
Ok, we get you have it "tough" with limitations, but roleplay is just as much.
-follow lore
-create a successful character or other may make fun of you
-type correctly, people judge you on spelling
-follow actions, you need to let the other comply sometimes.
-do not God/rp, you look pathetic and its just sad to look at
-follow correct timelines
-do not meta roleplay.

Pvp'ers:
-no God apples
-need an rp reason to raid
-cant glitch like on other servers

See any difference?

 

[thor5648]

Might I just add that you guys (and I mean "you guys" very broadly as a reference to pvp'ers in general) bullied him out of being a staff member and caused his demotion and effective exile to roleplay.




Roleplay staff have no in game power, no say on server matters, no right to talk about anything on server policy. They exist to write stories and do character reviews. In a way they are basically just forum moderators. That's like saying we favor forum users because we hire forum moderators instead of non-forum people moderators.

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Could you take a look at it from our view Marty? All the fun time we have had fighting on this server. We have spoken amongst ourselves and all we really want are the old days back, the old pvpers back on. Recent nerfs in everything pvp related have pushed them away, no one on mc top plays anymore. We made these threads knowing if we could do this
Maybe we could get a bit of the old. Personally I spent 2 weeks re learning how to code so I could code a plugin that would compromise what hardcore pvpers want, and mild pvpers.

 

[Imboring56]

Yeah but deathfist deserved it Biggest bunch of babys i have ever seen.

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Raiding us for 4 hours a day while we were trying to build a city? Yeah, I think a ton of the server would be "babies" if you did that for 6 months.

 

[MonMarty]

If anything Roleplayers have a harder time playing on the server since we literally present them with a large list of things they cannot do, while we only present a list of things that "should not be done in excessive measure" to pvp'ers.

 

[MonMarty]

Could you take a look at it from our view Marty? All the fun time we have had fighting on this server. We have spoken amongst ourselves and all we really want are the old days back, the old pvpers back on. Recent nerfs in everything pvp related have pushed them away, no one on mc top plays anymore. We made these threads knowing if we could do this
Maybe we could get a bit of the old. Personally I spent 2 weeks re learning how to code so I could code a plugin that would compromise what hardcore pvpers want, and mild pvpers.

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What nerfs? We only nerfed MCMMO fishing. We have literally changed nothing in pvp otherwise.

 

[xXBlingXx]

Then why did you make a thread which effectively starts with "I'm quitting the server because not every plugin revolves around us". instead of using your effort by creating an interest group of pvp'ers who will come to a wholesome conclusion and present it to us, you're just perpetuating a constantly fractured group of players and antagonizing both the staff, the roleplayers and everything in between in an attempt to force your way trough.

Roleplayers are unanimous about what they want, and they are able to convey it. When I ask pvp'ers for their opinions on what should change, they spend 5 pages argueing with each other until I have to lock the thread due to flaming.

Also explain to me what exactly, and then I don't mean some vague claim. Quote exactly what rule, what change or what mechanic makes you belief roleplayers are being favored over pvp'ers.


The same goes for you.

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Mon Just saying that was the intended purpose of my last thread but then RP players came and disrupted the "Creation of our interest group to come to a wholesome conclusion to present it to you"

 

[iMineNewbs]

Then why did you make a thread which effectively starts with "I'm quitting the server because not every plugin revolves around us". instead of using your effort by creating an interest group of pvp'ers who will come to a wholesome conclusion and present it to us, you're just perpetuating a constantly fractured group of players and antagonizing both the staff, the roleplayers and everything in between in an attempt to force your way trough.

Roleplayers are unanimous about what they want, and they are able to convey it. When I ask pvp'ers for their opinions on what should change, they spend 5 pages argueing with each other until I have to lock the thread due to flaming.

Also explain to me what exactly, and then I don't mean some vague claim. Quote exactly what rule, what change or what mechanic makes you belief roleplayers are being favored over pvp'ers.


The same goes for you.

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Why are you so aggressive towards me marty? Do you not see? I posted these videos because there is hardly any that show the history of PvP , But so the Pvp Community CAN come together and just have a little laugh at the videos. Mainly the solaris one which was basically the ending of the actual History. Im sure you remember FIRE ZE FHFDooM Cannon!!! And for Tom1804's situation. I liked Tom. Im pretty sure he liked me aswell.

I don't like to "oppose" the staff or anything. But I believe if you didn't come onto my thread and posting that first post . People wouldn't be starting to flame right now. I don't want people to flame damnit.

 

[thor5648]

What nerfs? We only nerfed MCMMO fishing. We have literally changed nothing in pvp otherwise.

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Vampire god apples fiahing(well fishing needed to happen). Harassment rules, and also threatening to basically destroy our hours of hardwork in the darkrooms by replacing mcmmo. Back then it was a challenge to kill someone, and would be very rare, now it's lolololol I hit you three times first so I winz.

 

[xshortbusx]

Raiding us for 4 hours a day while we were trying to build a city? Yeah, I think a ton of the server would be "babies" if you did that for 6 months.

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Hit and run raids dont last 4 hours btw. Deathfist complained prob more than any other faction in the history of massinecraft, and all they had to do is say "I SURRENDER". When i referred to baby's ,it wasn't you i was referring to.

 

[Cruallassar]

What nerfs? We only nerfed MCMMO fishing. We have literally changed nothing in pvp otherwise.

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Well, you did take god apples, and bloodlust. But those were still improvements.

 

[Mecharic]

I have seen pvpers forced into roleplay for fear of being banned for raiding.

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Funny, I've seen RPers killed by PvPers out of... well, they had no reason to die but just as little choice.

 

[SorryNari]

This isn't going to end well.

 

[Magivore]

At this point, some pvp'ers need to realize...
Ok, we get you have it "tough" with limitations, but roleplay is just as much.
-follow lore
-create a successful character or other may make fun of you
-type correctly, people judge you on spelling
-follow actions, you need to let the other comply sometimes.
-do not God/rp, you look pathetic and its just sad to look at
-follow correct timelines
-do not meta roleplay.

Pvp'ers:
-no God apples
-need an rp reason to raid
-cant glitch like on other servers

See any difference?

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If anything Roleplayers have a harder time playing on the server since we literally present them with a large list of things they cannot do, while we only present a list of things that "should not be done in excessive measure" to pvp'ers.

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iMineNewbs thor5648 xXBlingXx

Also, neat fact for people who hate PVP'rs in general;
Note in the first video Arch said
"HITS DIDN'T REGISTER"
Not h4x.
They have standards as well. I dislike some of them, but they still got knowledge as well. And, pardon for my outburst, earlier. Was just caught off in a bad mood. >->

 

[thor5648]

MonMarty if it is okay with you maybe we could come to a little compromise and you could see what us pvpers want in a way without flaming, so could a few of us talk to you admins in teamspeak at a scheduled time tomorrow?

 

[xshortbusx]

Why cant massive have a hardcore pvp world for us to play in ,with sharding this should be very possible?

 

[MonMarty]

Why are you so aggressive towards me marty? Do you not see? I posted these videos because there is hardly any that show the history of PvP , But so the Pvp Community CAN come together and just have a little laugh at the videos. Mainly the solaris one which was basically the ending of the actual History. Im sure you remember FIRE ZE FHFDooM Cannon!!! And for Tom1804's situation. I liked Tom. Im pretty sure he liked me aswell.

I don't like to "oppose" the staff or anything. But I believe if you didn't come onto my thread and posting that first post . People wouldn't be starting to flame right now. I don't want people to flame damnit.

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Let me break it down for you.

staff chooses ONLY the roleplay staff, I

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This is offensive. I hosted a server a week ago hosting a large number of pvp players who helped me test pvp damage settings and MCMMO issues. Bsavs and Lord_archangel eventually helped me come to some insightful conclusions. Additionally, I am in the process of setting up a PVP change beta group of pvp players, which I already asked mcmuffin to be a part of a while ago. And now you basically kick me in the face telling me I don't give a shit about pvp'ers.

Roleplayers are going to hate me for posting that

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A whole lot of roleplayers engage in PVP as well. They don't hate you for posting about pro PVP things. They hate on you for saying their opinions don't matter, and how they are irrelevant to the server.

nobody is respecting that

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I think if you read my reply on bling's thread, you would come to a different conclusion. If you cannot come to that conclusion, keep reading it until you do.

leaving the server soon aswell

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Threatening to leave the server if no change is brought, always antagonizes the staff.

I mean clearly PvPers aren't wanted

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Again in line with the same point I brought up before. I am doing everything I can to improve PVP and you basically tell me my work is worthless and that I am doing nothing for you.

we are the ones that were dedicated and invested so much time into this.

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This is false. If you sat in the Regalian Tavern for about an hour, you would be able to see how many roleplayers are premium.

I should also add that we spent about half an hour internally discussing wether you accidently posting a server adress in trade chat was against the rules while reports from other players against you were piling up. If we didn't care, you would already be permanently banned now.