Archived Nerfing The 30% Territory Reduction

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Nerfing the 30% Territory Damage Reduction

Why? With the recent addition of massive traits and the mcmmo alchemy skill players are able to fight with very high damage reductions and take very little damage. A premium player with axe resistant, sword resistant, a resistance potion, and the 30% territory buff will have close to a 90% damage reduction meaning they will take an extremely low amount of damage per hit.

Possible Ways To Nerf The Damage Reduction

-Reducing The Damage Reduction: By reducing the 30% damage reduction to 15% or 10% players would still have a high damage reduction, but would take more damage.

-Players Keep the 30% damage reduction while pacifist true: When a player loses pacifist true they will also lose the 30% damage reduction.

-Removing The Damage Reduction: Even without the damage reduction players fighting within their own territory would still have a high damage reduction with massive traits, premium, and resistance potions.

-Possible Trait Replacements: Instead of players automatically having the 30% damage reduction they would need a trait to receive the reduction. A possible trait could be +100 HomeFieldAdvantage or +100 DefenceBonus, this trait would allow players to have the 30% damage reduction though at the cost of 100 trait points.

-Removing the 15% Premium Buff: If people are opposed to removing the territory reduction, the removal of the 15% premium damage reduction would also increase the damage people take so they cannot have extremely high damage reductions

Another possible trait could be +50 team player, this trait would allow players go gain a +5% damage reduction for every faction member within 32 blocks.

If you disagree to the nerf of the 30% damage reduction please post why.
 
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So much argument. It is my opinion that the 30% is fair. It is all about tactics. People raiding have a better chance then the people defending without the buff because the defenders are unprepared while the raiders are organized. If you think it is unfair, then do not raid.
 
Snake said:
I disagree that theres not a significant difference. There actually is. His health starts going down.
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His health might go down, yes, but is it a 'significant' amount? In my opinion no, not really. @gridiron1024 only had to heal twice during the entire video of them hitting him for about 2 minutes straight.
 
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You people may think it is OP but some of us don't use potions. Also, Get your tactics straight.
 
keylan118 said:
You people may think it is OP but some of us don't use potions. Also, Get your tactics straight.
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Most people who have played on this server for more than a couple months use potions regular during combat. Second, the people I think you are addressing have developed great tactics.
 
TheBatman1016 said:
Most people who have played on this server for more than a couple months use potions regular during combat. Second, the people I think you are addressing have developed great tactics.
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I must say potions are a yes but I hate potions and mostly abstain from them. Guess that is why I lose so much. Also the tactics I have seen is Charging right at me or Hitting and Running, which are both basic tactics, if at all.
 
TheBatman1016 said:
Bear with me here. Ok so first off we have to look at the votes for supporters and non-supporters. The majority of supporters are PVP'rs while non-supporters are RP'rs. Next we have to understand that this effects PvP'rs drastically more than it effects role-players. Disagree? If you are a role-player, what do you spend most of your time doing? Roleplaying or fighting? I thought so. Now how about PvP'rs? That is why they are call PvP'rs, cause they spend most f their time fighting. And fighting occurs when a raid party attacks another faction AT THEIR OWN FACTION. Based on this we can say most of fighting occurs on faction territory, PvP'rs fight the most, this buff effects PvP'rs the most. If pvp'rs want this removed, they have the best account, not some role-player (With all due respect). Thank you.
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Yes RP'rs do not fight. That is why they get slaughtered in the cross fire. It still affects RP'rs as much as PVP'rs. Maybe even more because weak players become targets.
 
How about, factions that have raided or slain a member of another faction within the other faction's territory in a week or something lose the 30% buff. That way nobody loses.
 
keylan118 said:
Yes RP'rs do not fight. That is why they get slaughtered in the cross fire. It still affects RP'rs as much as PVP'rs. Maybe even more because weak players become targets.
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I don't think you quite understand the issue. The problem is that good pvpers can become invincible, the leading buff being the 30% damage reduction. Rpers could have all the buffs and still lose. Adding damage reductions does not make bad pvpers good, it makes good pvpers gods.
 
gridiron1024 said:
I don't think you quite understand the issue. The problem is that good pvpers can become invincible, the leading buff being the 30% damage reduction. Rpers could have all the buffs and still lose. Adding damage reductions does not make bad pvpers good, it makes good pvpers gods.
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Are you saying ur a god m8
 
gridiron1024 said:
I don't think you quite understand the issue. The problem is that good pvpers can become invincible, the leading buff being the 30% damage reduction. Rpers could have all the buffs and still lose. Adding damage reductions does not make bad pvpers good, it makes good pvpers gods.
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Did you not see this post?
keylan118 said:
How about, factions that have raided or slain a member of another faction within the other faction's territory in a week or something lose the 30% buff. That way nobody loses.
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keylan118 said:
So much argument. It is my opinion that the 30% is fair. It is all about tactics. People raiding have a better chance then the people defending without the buff because the defenders are unprepared while the raiders are organized. If you think it is unfair, then do not raid.
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So what your saying is that if our enemy is at their base and they take a resistant buff such as archerresistant or axe resistant the total will add up to 25+30=55% damage decreased, making it much harder to actually do an attack, causing a stale mate inbetween both factions due to them not raiding, i know you peeps care about the 30% buff but you don't even use it so you wouldn't understand... so if you hide in your hole like alot of the others do you'll be safe from all the big bad boogy monsters lurking in your faction...
 
togal300 said:
So what your saying is that if our enemy is at their base and they take a resistant buff such as archerresistant or axe resistant the total will add up to 25+30=55% damage decreased, making it much harder to actually do an attack, causing a stale mate inbetween both factions due to them not raiding, i know you peeps care about the 30% buff but you don't even use it so you wouldn't understand... so if you hide in your hole like alot of the others do you'll be safe from all the big bad boogy monsters lurking in your faction...
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Look at this Post!
keylan118 said:
How about, factions that have raided or slain a member of another faction within the other faction's territory in a week or something lose the 30% buff. That way nobody loses.
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I would recommend cutting the 30% buff by half, there everybody goes away happy and its not impossible to raid.
 
I do not agree with removing this because the RP fits. The RP is much like the Vietnam war. Americans went blindly into the jungles to get hit by a barrage of guerrilla fighters. The 30% defense bonus is to simulate a raider having no clue what they are attacking.

However a nerf that I would see worthwhile is some form of a counter of how long someone has been in that faction. If that counter is above 1 week the character will get the bonus, but if it is below he would not get that bonus. This would prevent allies and mercs from joining and getting the buff when they hardly know the land either.

@yendor46 is this kind of technology available. A counter to tell how long someone has been in a faction, and possibly log past factions someone was it. This would be great for the above reason, but also be nice to deter faction hopping.
 
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Sarge_Peppers said:
@yendor46 is this kind of technology available. A counter to tell how long someone has been in a faction, and possibly log past factions someone was it. This would be great for the above reason, but also be nice to deter faction hopping.
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There is not presently any measure of how long a person has been in a faction. Some data would have to be added to the database to track this. The implementation you have proposed would likely introduce more lag in PVP, making it a less than ideal solution.
 
yendor46 said:
There is not presently any measure of how long a person has been in a faction. Some data would have to be added to the database to track this. The implementation you have proposed would likely introduce more lag in PVP, making it a less than ideal solution.
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Thank you for the clarification
 
Now with the 30% buffs, axe/swordresistant, and resistance pots, that's 55% damage reduction plus what ever reistance potions add, which can make raids almost impossible to win, if it was nerfed down to maybe 15% that would be a bit better, but 30 is about op
 
Like @Sunsh1ne901 said, just bring it to around 15 (maybe even only 20) percent - people say it doesn't make a difference, but defenders already have the advantage of home territory, meaning access to ALL their storages and homes (which you can hide in), and the ability to basically re-equip and get back to the fight much faster than attackers.
 
BenAlex144 said:
Like @Sunsh1ne901 said, just bring it to around 15 (maybe even only 20) percent - people say it doesn't make a difference, but defenders already have the advantage of home territory, meaning access to ALL their storages and homes (which you can hide in), and the ability to basically re-equip and get back to the fight much faster than attackers.
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And also traps, should they choose to put the time into creating them.
 
If the issue is that they stack too easily, couldn't they just stack diminishingly?
For example:
30% resistance + 30% more resistance = 51% resistance ((100-30) * 0.3)
 
Feyona said:
Realistically, I don't agree with this-- as the 30% damage reduction indications a 'homefield advantage'. It gives a boost to protect factions in their own homeland, and could easily be argued away as a sort of idea that people who live in the area would know it better, and have higher advantages in fighting in their homelands for various reasons.

People could also simply argue that if you don't want your enemy to have the advantage (the 30%), you could simply not raid them in their home lands. I believe the 30% should stay in place simply as it gives victimized and attacked factions a better chance at defending themselves rather than stronger players storming their homelands relentlessly and getting 1 hit kills on low skilled PVPers.
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Or give people who don't pvp more than one second to live when they're being raided.
 
It's pretty much impossible to check every offensive threat, taking Sword, Axe, and ArcheryResistant forces you to flake out on PvE or your offensive prowess. Holy can also be used, most people who would take many of the resistant traits would probably need Unholy to counteract all of the points you spent on those. Not to mention that holy water is going to hit them like a train. Also, if you take a trait like SwordExpert then you automatically counteract their resistance trait, and you only have to worry about the resistance potion, home field advantage, and whether or not their a premium member. The best part of using just one of the Expert traits is that you only have to take one of them, and you can take traits such as WitherStrike and PoisonStrike in addition.

If you're not one for taking any of the Expert traits, then you've still got access to residual damage, poison II fully counters regeneration, and if they're not using regeneration potions then they're only got so long before they reach critical health. It should also be mentioned that fire aspect/flame will always be dealing damage as well. Residual damage always trumps defense if they don't have a way to recover.

I'd also like to mention that axes can deal extra damage through armor impact and axe mastery, and that swords can deal DoT with bleed.

Oh yeah and strength II gives you 260% more damage so..

And besides, the 30% territory reduction is so that the "hardcore" PvP gamers don't come in and just wreck RP or peaceful factions, kill them multiple times, overclaim, and then destroy the builds they've worked so hard to make. Besides, most PvP I've seen isn't in these hardcore fights or raids, they're out in the wilds and one of the two isn't a premium in god armor.
 
Nobody said:
Oh yeah, and if you like banning things to keep an "honest and fair" meta, I'd suggest you request Smogon to make their own Minecraft server.
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But its not banning things to make the meta fair.... Massivecraft added this in, its not vanilla. Its like adding a fakemon to a silmulation server, then wanting to remove it because it was OP.
 
30% damage reduction in "Home territory" Is an easily debatable topic.
When looking from an rp perspective one can wonder how a faction of 3 has said "30%" for a home field advantage against 7 attackers.
From a player perspective i find it extremely ridiculous when it takes 83 hits to kill a fully equipped premium in their home territory.
So.. instead of just complaining i have a proposition.
Maybe we could move an agreed amount of damage resistance to a player has pacifist true in their faction territory.
That way unsuspecting players could still have a chance to make it out of the fight if they don't choose to participate.
Mecharic said:
Oh in that case...

MCmmo is not balanced. It allows some people to become gods while limiting the abilities of others. It is also not fun to be raided, so PvP should totes be nerfed! I mean, comon, if someone can just slaughter and entire faction without ANY resistance, whats the fun of that?

In all honesty, compared to the other glaring issues with traits, this seems to be an insignificant issue. All it does it make attacking enemy factions a lot more difficult, when it should never have been easy to win on their turf in the first place.
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I would agree to disagree with that previous statement.
Example: Said defending faction has 20 active players online at the moment, said other faction wishes to take on other faction with 30 online players.
Why should the defending players receive a home advantage? One might say its because they know their own home territory better than the opponent. Others may say that the reduction is there to compensate for the offline players.
Sure.. the defending players do have a better knowledge of their own home area. But i still think that the raiding faction with 30 fighters has the upper hand. Do you agree to disagree?
 
Why don't they make it so temp joining factions for the buff is disabled? I mean say if Magnanimus are raiding mithril. And raptum wants to defend mithril so benalex144 temp joins mithril, he would have to wait a day to receive the buff and for the players who are permanently in the faction they can have 20%so it's less over powered ??
 
pokyug said:
30% damage reduction in "Home territory" Is an easily debatable topic.
When looking from an rp perspective one can wonder how a faction of 3 has said "30%" for a home field advantage against 7 attackers.
From a player perspective i find it extremely ridiculous when it takes 83 hits to kill a fully equipped premium in their home territory.
So.. instead of just complaining i have a proposition.
Maybe we could move an agreed amount of damage resistance to a player has pacifist true in their faction territory.
That way unsuspecting players could still have a chance to make it out of the fight if they don't choose to participate.

I would agree to disagree with that previous statement.
Example: Said defending faction has 20 active players online at the moment, said other faction wishes to take on other faction with 30 online players.
Why should the defending players receive a home advantage? One might say its because they know their own home territory better than the opponent. Others may say that the reduction is there to compensate for the offline players.
Sure.. the defending players do have a better knowledge of their own home area. But i still think that the raiding faction with 30 fighters has the upper hand. Do you agree to disagree?
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I do not agree to disagree - there a many examples of the attackers outnumbering the defenders and losing utterly. Being in the defensive position by default gives someone a greater chance of victory, like fighting from the high ground. MassiveCraft can't simulate properly all the aspects of defensive combat with regards to things like the desire to protect ones home and the support of walls (walls don't do jack in Massive). As such, I support the 30% fully.
 
Mecharic said:
I do not agree to disagree - there a many examples of the attackers outnumbering the defenders and losing utterly. Being in the defensive position by default gives someone a greater chance of victory, like fighting from the high ground. MassiveCraft can't simulate properly all the aspects of defensive combat with regards to things like the desire to protect ones home and the support of walls (walls don't do jack in Massive). As such, I support the 30% fully.
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Well, there are a lot of good traps too. I have seen quite a few good traps, and after thinking up some good ones, I must say that traps can be very deadly if used correctly. Especially if you are constantly creating new ones to keep attackers on their toes. I remember raiding Valyria after they installed their portal trap in the stairs, and that first raid was a complete disaster since about 4 of us died xD
 
Joshy54100 said:
Well, there are a lot of good traps too. I have seen quite a few good traps, and after thinking up some good ones, I must say that traps can be very deadly if used correctly. Especially if you are constantly creating new ones to keep attackers on their toes. I remember raiding Valyria after they installed their portal trap in the stairs, and that first raid was a complete disaster since about 4 of us died xD
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Oh yeah..
 
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