Imperials Are Split; War Is Over

I'm surprised that I am saying this, but I forgive Argonia. Even though they broke treaties and stole money, it is part of a war.

I do believe now that the Coalition should break apart. Its sole purpose, when MonMarty created it, was to defeat the forces of both Argonia and Valyria united, or the Imperials. Now it is over, and the Coalition should return back to their normal state of being before the war. If factions afterward still want to go to war again, that is their choice. That way, the entire Coalition isn't burdened by something one or two factions started.
 
Last Coalition meeting (Yesterday) we decided we will crush Argonia before breaking apart. The tyrants need to know that they're not the best on MassiveCraft. They can't keep raiding tiny factions because they feel like it.
 
All right Zanip, if you do not want to take this opportunity for peace, (which 9th also wanted last week) that is fine. But you are just reigniting the fight. We have made semi-peace here, but you want to destroy that. So be it.
 
Well to be honest its not like you can do this without some consequences

Argonia: PAY US OR DIE
Small faction: But we don't want to!
Argonia: DIE!(raids faction for weeks)
Small faction: OK WE GIVE UP! (pay Argonia)
after a few days
Small faction: Look Argonia I have a bone to pick with yo-
Argonia: JK YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY US NOW, WERE STOPPING ALL RAIDS! LETS BE FRIENDS!
Small faction: .....
 
All right Zanip, if you do not want to take this opportunity for peace, (which 9th also wanted last week) that is fine. But you are just reigniting the fight. We have made semi-peace here, but you want to destroy that. So be it.
If you are willing to state that Argonia will not raid any factions without reason as from now on, I'm sure we could have peace and get along fine.
 
Ok I'm going to voice my opinion on this, I don't normally because I'm never incredibly involved in these wars, aside from trying to help defend Osai when I can. For a few brief moments after war for a while, we had peace, and now the conflict has been reignited. I'm not saying what the Imperials did was right, or advocating for either side. I'm trying to voice a neutral opinion. Whether you like it or not Argonia, you have taken some losses, and you may be in a vulnerable position right now, which could possibly be why you are trying to end the war. It seems as if pride is keeping you from surrendering, which is what could quite possibly happen if this war continues. Now, that statement was based off no proof, I was just jumping to a conclusion based off the information I have, so don't quote me on that. However, there's another side to the story too.

Coalition, whether you like it or not, Argonia will not be any easy opponent to beat into submission, should this war continue. Maybe you will win, and maybe you won't, nobody has any way of knowing for sure. I have seen many of my allies talk about how this war has drawn a lot of money out of them. If that's the case, why do you wish for the war to continue? Argonia, the instigators of this war(sorry, it's true) have agreed to cease all raids. If you raid Argonia, when there is no threat, how much better are you then them? Sure, you want to prove a point. Sure, they are being unreasonable in thinking they can just back out like that. However, when I finally heard of the Coalition (I always seem to get news late, I'm a slow person.), and what its purpose was, I was excited. A group of valiant warriors taking a stand to stop this empire. I believe that this course of action is not in the best interests of anyone.

Here's my proposition, and note I have no power, all I am is a voice, and I'm using it. I have absolutely no authority in any of this, I am just trying to speak what I believe. So heres my idea.

The raiding ends. If individual factions want to continue fighting with Argonia, so be it. However I believe the war in whole should be considered over. Argonia does not suffer any losses, however a close eye is kept on them. The Coalition will remain in-active, but the leaders will have a schedule to consult with eachother, in order to be prepared and react immediately if Argonia ever wishes to attempt to conquer again. I believe if we can work this out in a peaceful solution, one that, rather than ending with a victor and a loser, and forcing one side into submission, ends with treaties, and unification, we can build stronger ties, and avoid getting into another war all together. Personally I believe if the war continues, the coalition will win. However if that happens, or even if Argonia defeats the Coalition, either way, it will end with a triumphant victor, and an angry loser. The loser will be crippled, and may bide its time, but the anger will remain, and resurface someday. I believe it is more likely that war will return a second time if this war is ended with a victor and a loser, rather than a peaceful solution.

In conclusion, I would like to say that, despite trying to be neutral when voicing this opinion, I am on the side of Osai, and am therefore on the side against Argonia, if the war continues, that is. If my idea is ignored, I will take up arms and fight with my allies if I can, and do whatever it is my leaders want me to do. However, I would urge you all to think, why continue a war, when there is an alternative, peace? That question doesn't just go out to the Coalition, it goes out to Argonia, too. If my idea is considered valid, which it probably won't, that would mean you are getting off the hook, Argonia. After this point, if you ever tried to pull off a war like this again, we would all remember, and there would be no option for you to simply retract from the war like you are attempting to now. You get one shot at something like this, and I myself am supporting that decision, even if many of my friends and allies aren't.

That's all I have to say, and I understand some of these statements might annoy a few people, so if it comes to that, these are all my personal opinions. What I have said is in no way related to anything my superiors or faction/Coalition leaders have told me, it is simply what I believe.[DOUBLEPOST=1361319860][/DOUBLEPOST]
If you are willing to state that Argonia will not raid any factions without reason as from now on, I'm sure we could have peace and get along fine.
Well, Zanip basically said in one sentence what I attempted to convey in like 5 paragraphs xD
 
I have a question... Imperials wasn't just Argonia. It was Argonia with Valyria. WITH. We didn't think of this idea, Valyria came to us. When Valyria declared no counter offensives everyone ran to truce them. Why not Argonia? They were involved in this just as much as we were if not more.
 
I think its because Argonia has had a loooooooong history of doing this kind of stuff
 
I have a question... Imperials wasn't just Argonia. It was Argonia with Valyria. WITH. We didn't think of this idea, Valyria came to us. When Valyria declared no counter offensives everyone ran to truce them. Why not Argonia? They were involved in this just as much as we were if not more.
Well there was that whole bit with the execution and Grixer being gone, which seems a pretty crippling blow to Valyria. That seemed to be good enough for most people, and thus Valyria is out of the equation. I suppose if Argonia did something similar, that would probably be considered good enough for most of the Coalition, although that's just what I think. However I doubt you folks would agree to something like that, and I don't think you should have to. Thus my suggestion. It's a win win!
 
I have a question... Imperials wasn't just Argonia. It was Argonia with Valyria. WITH. We didn't think of this idea, Valyria came to us. When Valyria declared no counter offensives everyone ran to truce them. Why not Argonia? They were involved in this just as much as we were if not more.
Except... I've seen that you (Argonia) are still fighting the weakest factions out there and not seeing fit to make a challenge and raid say... Alamut (oh, you're truced?), Auxillian, etc.
 
Well there was that whole bit with the execution and Grixer being gone, which seems a pretty crippling blow to Valyria. That seemed to be good enough for most people, and thus Valyria is out of the equation. I suppose if Argonia did something similar, that would probably be considered good enough for most of the Coalition, although that's just what I think. However I doubt you folks would agree to something like that, and I don't think you should have to. Thus my suggestion. It's a win win!
Grixers Death was crippling to both of us...[DOUBLEPOST=1361321847][/DOUBLEPOST]
Except... I've seen that you (Argonia) are still fighting the weakest factions out there and not seeing fit to make a challenge and raid say... Alamut (oh, you're truced?), Auxillian, etc.
Give me names of the weak factions.
 
Tell me why you never thought to raid a more powerful faction. I hear Auxillian is quite a formidable opponent.
Ok, this is a pointless argument. War is war, and I think that the details like this are irrelevant at this point. The question now is what will come of the war, and will it continue, or will it end, resulting in peace between the opposing forces? I've voiced my opinions, I'd like to hear others.
 
I have a question... Imperials wasn't just Argonia. It was Argonia with Valyria. WITH. We didn't think of this idea, Valyria came to us. When Valyria declared no counter offensives everyone ran to truce them. Why not Argonia? They were involved in this just as much as we were if not more.

It's the simple fact of being a weeaboo vs. a non weeaboo.
 
Agreed with Golem's long rant. I personally think that everybody should enjoy world peace.

As for why people still hate Argonia, it's simply because Argonia has harassed many other factions in the past and didn't have that good of a reputation as Valyria did.
 
Agreed with Golem's long rant. I personally think that everybody should enjoy world peace.

As for why people still hate Argonia, it's simply because Argonia has harassed many other factions in the past and didn't have that good of a reputation as Valyria did.
World peace cannot be achieved by any person. If one person tries to gain it, they will have to cause many wars to achieve it. 'Tis impossible to gain peace without war. We have no peace, 'tis calm, but not perfect.
 
I asked for a truce previously. All i got was an arrogant "Surrender or die" from Grailen. This will be answered with
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Aight?
Argonia, and the Imperial Empire, before it split that is, was conquering tiny factions, beating them into submission, and if nothing else, could be considered evil. ((sorry guys, its just roleplay :p I wouldn't use that word if it wasn't)) However, I always thought there was something about Osai and our allies that set us apart from many other factions. I've seen this quality in Osai especially. These factions have been reasonable, and many times forgiving, and open minded. However, I must confess that during this war, that opinion has begun to change. I have seen more savage remarks made from allies, that sounded like they were coming from a Valyrian or an Argonian. The Coalition and its allies, during this war, started to become no different than the Imperials, perhaps not in actions, but in mindset.

In stories about valiant heroes, these actions are what makes him a hero. He restrains himself, even if the person deserves it. Don't take this too literally, but in my mind, this is a turning point. Are you going to ceaselessly raid Argonia when there is no longer an existing threat, or are you going to accept this cease-fire, and welcome peace. I guess I've gotten a little less neutral now. Again, I will support my leaders no matter what, but decide right now whether you want to be the good guy, ending the conflict with a bad guy, or a bad guy, fighting another bad guy. Sure, Argonia has done some bad things to factions. They are trying to stop now, and the Coalition isn't allowing them to. Maybe there is no right decision, but more harm will come than good if this war is continued, for everyone. So at this point, everyone has one of two options.

1. You can continue a war when there is no need for it, aside from pride and the need for revenge, two things that the leaders of both sides seem to share.
2. We can establish peace. It won't be easy, there is still a lot of negative energy in both factions. But if we can mutually exist together, there really is no need for this war.

Maybe this war started with a purpose. But at this point, all this war is, is a bunch of people on both sides with wounded pride, who want to have a go at eachother. This war may seem great and large, but when it comes down to it, it's pitiful. And that is directed to both sides.
 
Why do you always answer with essays? You aren't being graded, keep it simple.
I have a lot to say, and I prefer to make my points in a presentable manner. And I apologize, I write a lot of essays in real life, so I always tend to write my ideas like that. I'll try to to be more concise.
Aren't all wars like this? Golem, this is what human nature is.
So are you inclined to simply sit back and accept the war, because "That's the way it is"? Have you ever read "The Lottery"... I see your point, and if I had been more directly involved in the war, maybe I would feel more anger, but I wasn't. And I'm somewhat glad I wasn't, because I feel that I can provide an un-biased opinion. There is no lasting purpose for the war at this point, and Argonia is willing to cease their raiding if we do. That isn't a complicated proposition, and I believe the war could be quite simply ended, if we would just allow it.
 
I have a lot to say, and I prefer to make my points in a presentable manner. And I apologize, I write a lot of essays in real life, so I always tend to write my ideas like that. I'll try to to be more concise.

So are you inclined to simply sit back and accept the war, because "That's the way it is"? Have you ever read "The Lottery"... I see your point, and if I had been more directly involved in the war, maybe I would feel more anger, but I wasn't. And I'm somewhat glad I wasn't, because I feel that I can provide an un-biased opinion. There is no lasting purpose for the war at this point, and Argonia is willing to cease their raiding if we do. That isn't a complicated proposition, and I believe the war could be quite simply ended, if we would just allow it.
I answered with words because I'm too lazy to find Pinterest photos of what I need.
 
I have a question... Imperials wasn't just Argonia. It was Argonia with Valyria. WITH. We didn't think of this idea, Valyria came to us. When Valyria declared no counter offensives everyone ran to truce them. Why not Argonia? They were involved in this just as much as we were if not more.
Because Argonia is the one running scared because they have no one to hide behind.
 
Perhaps peace can be established...But i still want an apology.
 
Gwen sat in the back listening to them bicker. A smile broke her rather solemn face as she moved to the front, standing next to Thomas. As she laid her hand on his shoulder, she said, "The Argonians demanded the life of my beloved in exchange for the safety of my people. Who could forgive a nation for demanding something so awful of me? The day Lord Grixer was hung, I went to Argonia to quell the bloodshed for one day. To allow them to grieve their brother in arms." She looked across the room at each man. "We are not savages nor are we tyrants. Those who can not allow one day to mourn are as blood thirsty as the demon lord once was."

Gwen squeezed Thomas's shoulder. "But now, the time of judgement comes for the lands of Argonia. While Master Patriarch Grailen has retired, the Regent Patriarch CRACKPOTATOE has stepped into the boots of the king. This does not excuse Argonia from his crimes. For all the suffering and misery at the hands of the these men, they shall be punished according to the will of the people of Aloria. If it is so deemed that Argonia be crushed into dust then so be it, but know that no man will ever make the men of Argonia weak kneed nor cry for mercy. They have committed great sins, but in time, they will atone for them." Frowning, she went on. "I would normally cry for peace as the child that I am, but since my love and my life was threatened so brutally, my hand was forced."

"For the time being, Osai gives the Starfury, Lady of Osai, to the Coalition to bring the men of Argonia to justice. (Whether in battle or negotiation.) May judgement be swift and judicious. "
 
It is because this conflict with Argonia alone extended back from over 3 months ago.

As for what Gwen said, I am not fighting back against Argonia. I also will not be helping Auxillian or Osai with this. I wanted crystal clear peace from the start, and if I have to sacrifice my allies for it, then so be it. They may be receiving shipments of various materials, but my members will not go to war against Argonia. I would like to sit in my mountain and roleplay with my members than advance and try to defeat Argonia once and for all. As Golem says, the quality of others to forgive and forget is now passing slowly. Anger and hatred has clouded the minds of many.

I am now thinking of a frighteningly new possibility: What if the Imperials wanted this to happen? Wanted the Coalition to be full of rage? Because if you all continue with the approach of war, then you shall lose in the end. Sure, Argonia might pay hefty prices, and they may disband. Their leaders might even leave the server. But one thing that I do not want happening is the Coalition becoming the same thing as the Imperials are.

So, with all due respect to Gwen, I completely disagree. And if you are fighting against Argonia, don't expect to get any help at all from Zion.
 
Well, I will still be aiding Gwen in whatever she may need me to do to help with the war, as it does appear to be continuing.
 
I agree Imboring, the entire point of the Coalituion was to attain the splitting of Imperial, and thusly peace. This has been accomplished; Argonia is standing down, Valyria is standing down, and yet some -glances at 9thlegion- have shown a manner of bloodlust similar to what Imperial showed us.

I cannot force the others in the Coalition to make peace with Argonia, but you won't find me terrorizing Argonia, for wanting peace.
 
Looks up at Lady Gwen then turns back to the crowd.

Meh. I'll get back to you.
 
Expanding on my last post, from my point of view people have a VERY strong sense of self-preservation, and whenever something threatens you, that natural instinct will demand you either flee, or beat the crap out of that threat, and make sure the threat never surfaces again. Most people do not take attempted enslavement lightly, and as a result of that will not stop at a simple "JK GUYS WE'RE STOPPING ALL RAIDS". Instead, they will push on until Argonia is in no position to threaten anyone anymore. If it seems like kicking an opponent while he's down, so be it, the threat will be neutralized.
Try looking at this from my point of view. When would anyone with common sense take the word of a faction that is CLEARLY evil, and has shown no hesitation to kill and enslave weaker factions in the past? It may be the "good" thing to do, but in reality there will always be a "gray" choice on the morality chart, and that choice can be the wisest choice.