Crimson Gone But Is That Good :/

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The whole problem with this war is that both sides are using roleplay as an excuse to get away with something that is completely roleplay unrelated.

  • The Viridian crusade wants to punish Osai and Alamut for actions in the "meta" universe of factions and faction politics.
  • Osai wants to avoid getting raided daily by the viridian crusade, which is something "meta" as it does not happen in roleplay
  • The Viridian crusade wants people to support it because of rp reasons, namely Osai having vampires.
  • Osai tries to claim abuse and create sympathy by calling it forced RP and what not.
You could say that both sides should completely ignore roleplay if it were not for one simple fact. From the getgo of this whole mess, Gwen has stated that Osai doesn't have any vampires. And indeed, if you use a vampire check on their members none of them are vampires. The stupidity of the situation is, that Osai has 2 of the most fervent roleplaying vampires of the community in it. Boom77777 and Celticwitch. Celticwitch being the most adamant vampire supporter on the forum, who is also still a vampire according to her roleplay character, also note her forum signature. Boom77777 is even a special case by itself. In her roleplay, she roleplayed a girl that was cursed by Mrsbaver, a dormant demon was inserted into her making her immune to being cured of vampirism. I specifically tailored this piece of canon lore to suit her story as I was sympathetic to her roleplay story being ruined by the server lore changes. According to her roleplay character, she is also still a vampire.
What did I conclude from this? The most likely scenario being that Gwen forced her members to change their roleplay so that she could claim complete innocence in a likely scenario of an attack on Osai for having vampires. This is more so supported by the case of mkawesomeness. Mkawesomeness was once in Osai, but left the server for some unknown reason. After the whole instance, Gwen always claimed Mkawesomeness left the server due to sexual harassment against her from the Hidden Dragon tavern. Mkawesomeness rejoined the server yesterday, and after a short talk she told me her leaving had absolutely nothing to do with the whole tavern scene, and also informed me that she was kicked out of the faction because Gwen got mad at her for "ruining the reputation of Osai with her roleplay". That again is reinforced with how the Dayz4 situation was dealt with. Dayz4 was the person who instigated the whole crimson versus Osai thing. She gave her testimony on how the leaders of Osai told her to feed vampires. This much I know to be the truth, because I was an officer in Osai for nearly 2 months and on numerous occassions roleplayed with Gwen and Boom77777 regarding the presence of vampires in Osai and how Lady Gwen was protecting them and keeping them alive. Dayz4 was promptly kicked out of the faction, and while she is currently back in the faction again (probably because people got word of it) she was effectively removed from from Osai for telling the truth and endangering the reputation of Osai.

Now as for how this hooks into the topic of this thread and the crimsons. The crimsons being gone in my eyes, is a bad thing. It has generated a disproportionately large amount of disdain from some staff members towards members of Osai and Algaron, those chiefly responsible for the cancellation of the events and the personal harassment of staff members. Yesterday in fact, we had to ban a member of Algaron for switching his RP name to Tom1804_ and threatening those present during a raid with bans. Another bad thing is that we were getting happy about organizing more events for players that caused a bit of a stirr and some conflict for interesting scenario's. That is now all ruined because some people cannot separate roleplay from meta gameplay ,which really, is a problem of a bigger whole. As of late the whole tendency to claim admin abuse for simple facts is becoming disturbing.
  • An admin fires fire cannon shots at Osai -> Osai starts screaming staff abuse of flint and steel in ally chat.
  • A trusted manages to get into someone's house by shooting wooden buttons which open iron doors -> Algaron starts screaming staff abuse of /f admin access.
  • An admin and a trusted attack Osai in character as an army of Regalia -> immediately scream abuse and start flame wars in general chat.
This is the disturbing trend of players looking at the actions of a staff member, and then immediately thinking they are abusing, even though if they looked at the facts for just a moment, they would come to another conclusion. If any of the current staff members abused they would have been removed a very long time ago. Tom1804 was not demoted for any abuse whatsoever, he was re-evaluated due to his inactivity.

I let out word to some players that tom was going to work his way back up to admin by cooperating with me around the crimson inquisition events and getting stuff done in the Lore department. Arguably one could claim it was Gwen's plan all along to undermine Tom1804's efforts at ranking back up, as she has also been involved with a party celebrating his demotion at Osai.

So yeah, the crimsons being gone is bad.

OK first off she didn't make me cure myself in rp. I do have an excuse for being cured which i could tell you if you asked. She never forced rp us. And another thing, you won't stop attacking Osai OCC. So I suggest you stop before someone gets banned.
 
Since the Magnaimus war we attacked you because you helped them, We had a war with you for about a month until we got a sanction, after this we attack Thaylin because declared war on us, after that we were then defending any faction from Thaylin the hole time we were still at war with death fist. So when you stated we are evil you are wrong. We only attack if provoked or with a legit reason. What is your reason to attack Osai btw, because they if I remember correctly Osai was supporting you while we were at war with you.

Why did you have to mention DeathFist? Now I'm going to have to chime in, tsk, tsk. You know it will be another "wall" of text, HA! At least I'm not starting the trend in this thread ;)

So, what I have here is an example of the Alamut war declaration thread on DeathFist, I'm sure you have seen it, read it before, but take note of their absolute desire to make it into a war. The background was they we at Deathfist had been preparing for the "formal alliance proposal" as Alamut outlined in the forums, we even had all our allies and enemies aligned. On that very day they made us enemies out of the blue, for no reason. This "war" THEY started was all about them demanding a surrender and concessions from us for them doing nothing, other than making us an enemy when they were well aware of our intentions to form an alliance due to our kinship with PariahFolk and a conversation I had engaged in with Kapry in which he stated said it was a done deal once we had fought together on the field and met the requiirements, guess he meant against each other...

This is still ongoing, brought up in this thread BY Alamut, so lets see what we can produce.

Official start of the war [05.02.2013] [18:55 gmt] Like seriously, look at that date. And they are still persisting...
Participating factions: Alamut and Deathfist I interject here, we never choose to participate.
Alamut declared war on deathfist. OK, see Alamut declaring war?

The background story about this from my view.

Recently XxXYaJrAbXxX, the diplomat of Deathfist asked me about an agreement to become neutral again. (Being enemys and making a big war is still a difference for me.)
I thought about this one day long and came up with a deal. Sounds like a scam to me. What kind of deal is this?

To be clear, XxXYaJrAbXxX was on orders, as was all of DeathFist, not to interact with Alamut while the alliance proposal was being set up, they used a young member in the faction and trolled him, he knows better now of course and is much more experienced.

Deathfist would have to:
1. Fly our flag on the tallest building in their main base. Did they even realise that would have been in Ellador?
2. Announce in global/general chat, that they surrender to us. surrender? for what?
3. Sign a contract about 1. and 2. I still don't know what a contract is required
for, there is no deal happening, they gave us no
offer of protection etc.

The diplomat of Deathfist thought, that this was too much demanded to become neutral.
(In my opinion it was a generous offer, as I usually hang the people I don't like on my gallows.)
XxXYaJrAbXxX's thought, that for these sacrifices, they would atleast deserve an alliance.

See how it twists the truth here? the whole point is we were working towards an alliance.... And at what point does he make it clear why he does not like us? Think about this guys words, there is somethign funny going on with his intentions, I honestly think he is just looking for an excuse here and is blatantly twisting the facts.

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Moreover, he challenged Alamut in a way.
Iam more the person for a big war, but I gave in and said that I would accept that challenge.
If 2 of them can beat 4 of us, they will get their will and we would be neutral to their conditions.
But if they would lose, they would fulfil our demands.

Please note that we did try and end the war with a mod sanctioned and overseen duel that turned out to be a 3v1 with numbers in Alamut's favor with three of the top page MCMMO stat players vs. our lone champion with a decent 400 unarmed. We won that fight by the way, yet they still persisted...

Later on, XxXYaJrAbXxX wanted to recall that challenge and alter it to a 4v4.
But because this wouldn't be "fair" anymore, because they are "stronger" than us, I did not accept that new challenge.

see above*
Also clearly scared to fight fair.
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Instead I told him, that I would rather like it then to be a real war.
Later on I gave him 24 hours to think over that again, because I noticed, that he was a little bit "upset".

Today then I asked him again about his decision, which had not changed.
Deathfist didn't want globally announce, that they surrender to us.

Wait, its not that we didn't want to, we have not been beaten, only harassed and trolled for six months by low life scum assassins. lol. SEE how they try and twist the truth?

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As it seems, that Deathfist is "a lot stronger than us" this might be a short war, but Alamut will fight.

Boy did they underestimate that one, and it was a short war, we called it on day three and offered neutrality, again, they are looking for a war and were the ones to persist in it.

Our demands are clear.
They have to:
1. Fly our flag on the tallest building in their main base. We set up their flag, on our lowest level. Then burned it.
2. Announce in global/general chat, that they surrender to us.
3. Sign a contract about 1. and 2.

I promise, that these demands won't change during the war and they can surrender at any time.

Sorry, I have had two offers from them now, just fly the flag and they will stop OR just surrender, so again, the truth hurts doesn't it?

Sincerely
~Kapry, leader of Alamut


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I'm not asking for anything that couldn't be done by any minecraft player.
I'm not asking for money.
I'm not asking for goods.
And if it is needed, I will even give them the 4 blocks of wool, needed to build our flag.

How about you just let it be Kapry? Its over, been over. Since this started we have grown in power and influence, obviously what you are trying is backfiring, yet you still persist... I have to ask why? Could it be because you just want to war? you just need whatever pathetic excuse you can scrape up?

Oh, and since I'm SURE you will see this, how about backing up your claim to kick members who greif? Wait, was that more Alamut double talk? Instead you reward them? Right buddy, I know you "oh, hate Deathfist so much" but can you tell us why or have you only told us oh so much about yourself with your actions these past six months?

Shoo fly.
 
OK first off she didn't make me cure myself in rp. I do have an excuse for being cured which i could tell you if you asked. She never forced rp us. And another thing, you won't stop attacking Osai OCC. So I suggest you stop before someone gets banned.


Whatever way you were cured, the only roleplay canon method of curing would be the excorsizing of the demon, which was not possible as your roleplay character was posessed at a younger age. I specifically engineering this situation for you so it would be impossible for you to be cured of your vampirism, which is what you wanted. Fact remains that all of Osai was suddenly cured of vampirism when the crimsons started.

Also I am very confused about the last phrase. Are you threatening to ban me or something?
 
Whatever way you were cured, the only roleplay canon method of curing would be the excorsizing of the demon, which was not possible as your roleplay character was posessed at a younger age. I specifically engineering this situation for you so it would be impossible for you to be cured of your vampirism, which is what you wanted. Fact remains that all of Osai was suddenly cured of vampirism when the crimsons started.

Also I am very confused about the last phrase. Are you threatening to ban me or something?

No. Just someone may take something the wrong way and could get you demoted. Js.
 
If someone "gets something the wrong way" then they can't get me demoted. The only way a staff member gets demoted is if Cayorion sees and believes the proof presented of their abusal. I also highly doubt it that I would get demoted, as I wrote the rules and out of all the staff probably have the best contextual understanding of them and thus would not be so stupid to violate the rules I wrote. So please, don't threaten to get me demoted.
 
The leaders of the crimsons need to be staff, otherwise one does not have access to the commands we use to run the executions, trials and hand out of crimson gear etc.

Well, I could be the RP/IG leader but with a staff member during events to act as support - after all, a good general never fights in the front. And they always "have people for that" :P
 
I'm done with this thread. Boom77777 do not threaten staff it never ends well and MonMarty is a good staff member, better then some I've known. It's not right to lash out at anyone related to the source of you problems.
 
I am locking this thread for threats against staff.
 
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