Crimson Gone But Is That Good :/

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VennHearts said:
Right that being said, Is Baver just pure evil? or is she just mad she died
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I do not believe this has been addressed in the Lore yet, so I can't really answer. The best people to ask would be NinjaBaver or MonMarty, although I would ask MonMarty as he is currently the leader of the Lore department right now, as far as I know.
 
Kirby12352 said:
The Crusade doesn't stand for light at all. They join up with Chronikatr, one of the most evil factions on the server, and all they do is raid people that they want to join forces with so that they'll surrender. I mean, since when did the server lore state that vampires aren't evil? They're not good people and I don't know why they have so much support. Algaron had TWO PEOPLE at Osai, and that deserves these insane raids that last for hours on end?
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Dont open your mouth about thing's you dont know.
 
Tom1804 said:
Chronikatr are Evil in Roleplay, not in other aspects of Massivecraft. They enhance the roleplay universe and give the server an RP Bad guy other than Baver.
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Since the Magnaimus war we attacked you because you helped them, We had a war with you for about a month until we got a sanction, after this we attack Thaylin because declared war on us, after that we were then defending any faction from Thaylin the hole time we were still at war with death fist. So when you stated we are evil you are wrong. We only attack if provoked or with a legit reason. What is your reason to attack Osai btw, because they if I remember correctly Osai was supporting you while we were at war with you.
 
Black Panther said:
Since the Magnaimus war we attacked you because you helped them, We had a war with you for about a month until we got a sanction, after this we attack Thaylin because declared war on us, after that we were then defending any faction from Thaylin the hole time we were still at war with death fist. So when you stated we are evil you are wrong. We only attack if provoked or with a legit reason. What is your reason to attack Osai btw, because they if I remember correctly Osai was supporting you while we were at war with you.
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Your statement had literally nothing to do with the quoted post. Anyway, we attack Osai due to their officers indecency and lies. They support and are almost considered one in the same as Alamut. There are also other reasons which were posted in the declaration, and if you wish to know more, consult Grailen.
 
Black Panther said:
Since the Magnaimus war we attacked you because you helped them, We had a war with you for about a month until we got a sanction, after this we attack Thaylin because declared war on us, after that we were then defending any faction from Thaylin the hole time we were still at war with death fist. So when you stated we are evil you are wrong. We only attack if provoked or with a legit reason. What is your reason to attack Osai btw, because they if I remember correctly Osai was supporting you while we were at war with you.
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Beautiful spelling there Panthor
 
Tom1804 said:
Your statement had literally nothing to do with the quoted post. Anyway, we attack Osai due to their officers indecency and lies. They support and are almost considered one in the same as Alamut. There are also other reasons which were posted in the declaration, and if you wish to know more, consult Grailen.
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My post was mainly about your crusade post. It also shows you have no evidence to call us evil because we only attack people who brought it upon them selves or deserved it. If anything your crusade is evil. One faction Who I wont mention have many been attacking small weak factions and en-slaving them, even inviting people to their faction, kicking them after they f home, then trapping them in a cage and selling them, some would call that evil.
 
Black Panther said:
My post was mainly about your crusade post. It also shows you have no evidence to call us evil because we only attack people who brought it upon them selves or deserved it. If anything your crusade is evil. One faction Who I wont mention have many been attacking small weak factions and en-slaving them, even inviting people to their faction, kicking them after they f home, then trapping them in a cage and selling them, some would call that evil.
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At least Ghiscari Roleplay, Panthor. Alamut, do not. You sit in your castle and wait for a chance to jump at war. You're all bloodthirsty, and when you don't have a war to fight, you start a war. Solaris is the perfect proof of Alamuts corruption. All through the Imperial war, Kapry was itching to pick a side. He wanted to get involved, and he was desperately searching for a way to join in. When the oppression of Solaris rolled in, Alamut jumped on the bandwagon and rolled on through to Oppressionville. Solaris' goal was to convince the server that Magnanimus were the bad guys, however leaders of Solaris have openly admitted it was all a lie.

Alamut attack people because they feel like it. They grasp at reasons, and search for any reason to attack someone they dislike, or someone who can give them money. Not all Alamuts victims deserved it, and you all know it. Even the war with Auxillian is perfect proof. Kapry could never make his mind up on a reason. One day it was one thing, the next was another, and the previous was not. Every officer had a different reason, and the members just followed command.
 
I would also add that Ghiscari support roleplay events and staff work, most notable during the last masquerade where the present Ghiscari members spent 2 hours working on the emergency ballroom. Without their help the entire event would have been sacked and ended with one big disappointment.

In contrast, 2 alamut members got banned for disrupting a roleplay event during a crimson execution at the HQ because they spent the entire event shooting flaming arrows at Tom1804 while he tried to state roleplay phrases.
 
Some would say that this thread's original topic is being quickly turned from. Either discuss the original topic or someone close this thread.

This is not the place for your petty argument.
 
Rooseus said:
The viblababila crusade are pure evil, the darkness itself. Their lead by the dark lord grailen.
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One would say that the Viridian Crusade is a collection of all types of people, pooled together for the greater good. The Algaron Empire, however, support factions who harbour and protect Vampires by forcing their members to feed them in the sewers.
 
ha! you hypocritical vampire hunter you don't follow light you.merely kill blood drinkers, We however are the light of the.fire that shall cleanse this land!
 
It's threads like these that remind me daily of why the crimson events are suspended.
 
Black Panther said:
Since the Magnaimus war we attacked you because you helped them, We had a war with you for about a month until we got a sanction, after this we attack Thaylin because declared war on us, after that we were then defending any faction from Thaylin the hole time we were still at war with death fist. So when you stated we are evil you are wrong. We only attack if provoked or with a legit reason. What is your reason to attack Osai btw, because they if I remember correctly Osai was supporting you while we were at war with you.
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I count three weeaboo jars in that paragraph. Pay up.
 
It's times like this when I think, "what would taxconsumption do?". Then I remember that he would be a drama llama and I give up.
 
Tom1804 said:
One would say that the Viridian Crusade is a collection of all types of people, pooled together for the greater good. The Algaron Empire, however, support factions who harbour and protect Vampires by forcing their members to feed them in the sewers.
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In rp, we do not know that's the case in Osai. Even if Osai may be evil on the inside, they are pure on the outside. I'm pretty sure that running around killing innocent peasants on the holy lands wont give u any success in this case, and definately not help you kill the vampires in Osai. By attacking the city of light i declare you evil, followers of the darkness, fellowship of grailen, the Dark Lord.
 
Jared4242 said:
I can't be the only one thinking it'd be better if we just remove vampires... so few people role-play them well, it's just not worth it.
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Yeah i agree, why don't you make it so that only VERY VERY experience or skillful roleplayers can roleplay vampires
people who rp them without verification are meta gamers?
 
Rooseus said:
In rp, we do not know that's the case in Osai. Even if Osai may be evil on the inside, they are pure on the outside. I'm pretty sure that running around killing innocent peasants on the holy lands wont give u any success in this case, and definately not help you kill the vampires in Osai. By attacking the city of light i declare you evil, followers of the darkness, fellowship of grailen, the Dark Lord.
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The whole problem with this war is that both sides are using roleplay as an excuse to get away with something that is completely roleplay unrelated.

  • The Viridian crusade wants to punish Osai and Alamut for actions in the "meta" universe of factions and faction politics.
  • Osai wants to avoid getting raided daily by the viridian crusade, which is something "meta" as it does not happen in roleplay
  • The Viridian crusade wants people to support it because of rp reasons, namely Osai having vampires.
  • Osai tries to claim abuse and create sympathy by calling it forced RP and what not.
You could say that both sides should completely ignore roleplay if it were not for one simple fact. From the getgo of this whole mess, Gwen has stated that Osai doesn't have any vampires. And indeed, if you use a vampire check on their members none of them are vampires. The stupidity of the situation is, that Osai has 2 of the most fervent roleplaying vampires of the community in it. Boom77777 and Celticwitch. Celticwitch being the most adamant vampire supporter on the forum, who is also still a vampire according to her roleplay character, also note her forum signature. Boom77777 is even a special case by itself. In her roleplay, she roleplayed a girl that was cursed by Mrsbaver, a dormant demon was inserted into her making her immune to being cured of vampirism. I specifically tailored this piece of canon lore to suit her story as I was sympathetic to her roleplay story being ruined by the server lore changes. According to her roleplay character, she is also still a vampire.
What did I conclude from this? The most likely scenario being that Gwen forced her members to change their roleplay so that she could claim complete innocence in a likely scenario of an attack on Osai for having vampires. This is more so supported by the case of mkawesomeness. Mkawesomeness was once in Osai, but left the server for some unknown reason. After the whole instance, Gwen always claimed Mkawesomeness left the server due to sexual harassment against her from the Hidden Dragon tavern. Mkawesomeness rejoined the server yesterday, and after a short talk she told me her leaving had absolutely nothing to do with the whole tavern scene, and also informed me that she was kicked out of the faction because Gwen got mad at her for "ruining the reputation of Osai with her roleplay". That again is reinforced with how the Dayz4 situation was dealt with. Dayz4 was the person who instigated the whole crimson versus Osai thing. She gave her testimony on how the leaders of Osai told her to feed vampires. This much I know to be the truth, because I was an officer in Osai for nearly 2 months and on numerous occassions roleplayed with Gwen and Boom77777 regarding the presence of vampires in Osai and how Lady Gwen was protecting them and keeping them alive. Dayz4 was promptly kicked out of the faction, and while she is currently back in the faction again (probably because people got word of it) she was effectively removed from from Osai for telling the truth and endangering the reputation of Osai.

Now as for how this hooks into the topic of this thread and the crimsons. The crimsons being gone in my eyes, is a bad thing. It has generated a disproportionately large amount of disdain from some staff members towards members of Osai and Algaron, those chiefly responsible for the cancellation of the events and the personal harassment of staff members. Yesterday in fact, we had to ban a member of Algaron for switching his RP name to Tom1804_ and threatening those present during a raid with bans. Another bad thing is that we were getting happy about organizing more events for players that caused a bit of a stirr and some conflict for interesting scenario's. That is now all ruined because some people cannot separate roleplay from meta gameplay ,which really, is a problem of a bigger whole. As of late the whole tendency to claim admin abuse for simple facts is becoming disturbing.
  • An admin fires fire cannon shots at Osai -> Osai starts screaming staff abuse of flint and steel in ally chat.
  • A trusted manages to get into someone's house by shooting wooden buttons which open iron doors -> Algaron starts screaming staff abuse of /f admin access.
  • An admin and a trusted attack Osai in character as an army of Regalia -> immediately scream abuse and start flame wars in general chat.
This is the disturbing trend of players looking at the actions of a staff member, and then immediately thinking they are abusing, even though if they looked at the facts for just a moment, they would come to another conclusion. If any of the current staff members abused they would have been removed a very long time ago. Tom1804 was not demoted for any abuse whatsoever, he was re-evaluated due to his inactivity.

I let out word to some players that tom was going to work his way back up to admin by cooperating with me around the crimson inquisition events and getting stuff done in the Lore department. Arguably one could claim it was Gwen's plan all along to undermine Tom1804's efforts at ranking back up, as she has also been involved with a party celebrating his demotion at Osai.

So yeah, the crimsons being gone is bad.
 
In response to all of this. I think I will be releasing the list of Most Wanted Individual by the Order of Cathars. ;)
 
Rooseus said:
In rp, we do not know that's the case in Osai. Even if Osai may be evil on the inside, they are pure on the outside. I'm pretty sure that running around killing innocent peasants on the holy lands wont give u any success in this case, and definately not help you kill the vampires in Osai. By attacking the city of light i declare you evil, followers of the darkness, fellowship of grailen, the Dark Lord.
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Alrighty first off the Crimsons had made public the fact that Vampires were in Osai so unless your "Empire" is the massivecraft equivalent of north Korea it's perfectly Cannon to assume news would have reached you. Now secondly Darkness is not a part of Myself or us "Pyromaniac Zealots" is a more apprioate term.
 
Also, there's a Diary in Osai's library written by Gwen in which she specifically states that she fed a vampire off her blood as ordered by the then leader of Osai, so it's not like vampire blood bank is any new claim.

inb4 the book mysteriously disappears from the Osaian library (Don't worry, Grailen has a copy)
 
The roleplay of the Crimson Inquisition was not only good, it was needed. Like, badly needed. The fatal flaw, however, was having people lead it who also lead factions, participate in raids, and do other such things that aren't supposed to be related to the Inquisition. To put it into perspective if I was to go and kill a bunch of noobs in some faction while roleplaying as a bandit they would not take it as roleplay they would go to war with Hisoka because I am always, ALWAYS the leader of Hisoka. It doesn't matter then in RP at the time I was just a bandit with no allies or friends, /f f Mecharic would show Hisoka and thus I would have caused them to think Hisoka was the attacker.

This is what happened with Tom&Friends. Tom was part of the Inquisition, the leader I think, and he raided Osai for unrelated reasons. The result: Tom, as leader of the Crimsons, was taken to be making a Crimson Raid on Osai. I hate to say this but... staff shouldn't participate in Raids while also openly leading a server project or RP. I neither understand nor care what happened between Tom and Gwen, but the fact that Tom was leader of the Crimons when he attack Osai made it into a Crimson attack of Osai, even if such was not intended.

As for if the Crimson Inquisition collapse was good or bad... I think it was bad. I support vampires and fair treatment of players (aka, no "trials" where a players RP character is permanently killed off by admins, I feel that is no where near fair is is actually the reason I moved Mechbank out of Regalia) but I only support vampires who RP as vampires. People who just go around screeching and bloodlusting and shouting out their vampire rights should all be killed, lose their stuff, and be told "get over it, vampires don't RP like that". Even the supposedly "good" vampires shouldn't openly flaunt their vampirism in Regalia. The Inquisition was good in that its purpose was to stop that kind of RP but it was bad in that it ended up involving people who weren't doing anything in Regalia in the mess.

Keep it to Regalia, in fact not just word. Select leaders who EVERYONE knows and likes (ex: Ulu) and then for the duration of the setup make it so they are known not be be participating in the non-RP universe so as to prevent confusion over what the Crimsons are doing. Oh, and putting up a sign saying "Osai has been purged" after a supposedly unrelated raid is rather foolish. I know I don't really have the right to advise the admins but if I did that's what I would do differently.
 
MonMarty said:
Also, there's a Diary in Osai's library written by Gwen in which she specifically states that she fed a vampire off her blood as ordered by the then leader of Osai, so it's not like vampire blood bank is any new claim.

inb4 the book mysteriously disappears from the Osaian library (Don't worry, Grailen has a copy)
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For the record if it was ordered by a former leader of Osai then it was ordered by me. I have never and will never hide the fact that I do not care what race you are, if you're a vampire or not, you're always welcome in a faction I lead. If you want to raid Osai for something that I commanded then you can just go and metagame somewhere else, as none of my RP ever has me the leader of Osai.
 
I agree with you on nearly all points Mech, but as a member of the board of directors of MassiveCraft, we have to consider the morale of the staff. We've found that denying staff members the right to raid or wage war decreases their interest in supporting the server and lowers their productivity.


Mecharic said:
as none of my RP ever has me the leader of Osai.
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And this is where everything gets complicated, Gwen wrote the entire book in roleplay style and refers to you as her leader.
 
MonMarty said:
I agree with you on nearly all points Mech, but as a member of the board of directors of MassiveCraft, we have to consider the morale of the staff. We've found that denying staff members the right to raid or wage war decreases their interest in supporting the server and lowers their productivity.
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Then ask for a volunteer. I'd lead the Crimson Inquisition myself if it was known that Hisoka had nothing to do with it and that my proper RP character would rather be left out of such things.
 
The leaders of the crimsons need to be staff, otherwise one does not have access to the commands we use to run the executions, trials and hand out of crimson gear etc.
 
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