Calling All Pvp'rs We Need You! We Need To Make A Change!

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To personally say, the only thing I wish to see back up is the Bloodlust, even if it's lowered abilities by quite a bit...
Bloodlust did add to the PVP aspect, and the RP aspect as well. If you disagree, I'd like for you to mention why, I'd suppose.
 
You also have more tempmutes and tempbans on your name than all roleplayers combined.
All of my mutes are from doing stupid stuff like hashtag nothing that would hurt any community not flaming or anything and my temp ban for 1 second was on request if u didn't see that. and all my jails are because of disrupting roleplay either on raid or because some roleplay people are talking and somehow me being there is interrupting it.
 
I don't know which side of the discussion this follows with, but I'd like to add, a "god RP'r" is also MUCH less influential than a "god PvP'r". An RP god can be ignored (Albeit difficultly if they're also spamming) but a PvP god cannot. The RP god needs the other people around him to interact with him, if they don't, he has nothing to god over. The PvP god on the other hand needs only bodies in his path, or bodies somewhere, and he'll find or make a path.
No such thing as a god PVP'r so idk how that makes sense xD
 
Guys what I think bling and all pvpers are trying to say is, we do not really have near as much of a say as to what goes on with the server. Rpers got bloodlust and god apples removed, rpers force rp on pvpers, and after doing so take away the things that make pvp fun an unique on massivecraft. All we want is to have a bit of a say as to what goes on in pvp, and not let role players decide everything. I believe on the main site it says massivecraft is an rp PVP server.
 
B*tch please. Your faction has 8 members. 8*6 = 96. I have donated AT LEAST 4 whole euros more then you! :P

Anyway, it doesn't really matter which of us donates more, the fact that matters is that you, sir, need to stop talking.
Lol we have 8 members now and every one of them is prem and they have been prem for the past 8 months soooo please check your math again
 
I would make a big ranty post covering everything said here, but I feel Mon Marty has that covered.

I'll say this Bling, either you need to get your point across in a more elequent manner, or you need to go on TS with some Team Members and talk it out, because the way you present yourself here is giving the impression you lack empathy and intelligence regarding different members of our community. Just my feel from what you've said.


I will rant a bit about this however. The almost crusader like "pvp people vs role-play people" is sickening. Do we need to favor one "group" or the other? Do we need to spend certain amounts of time catering to each group? No, the two need to co-exist, because role-play is at it's best when it's influenced by pvp, and vice versa. While "roleplayers" as you call them can be snobbish towards those of us who prefer pvp, you are not helping yourself by alienating both sides further. You want constructive change? Awesome, get on TS with the Team and we will discuss our respective perspectives.

As for the matter at hand, I personally think work needs to be done on blending role-play and pvp, not giving the two "turns" in what we focus on. But that requires a good deal of cooperation from the player base, and if this thread is a judge of that, we have some work ahead fellas.

And ffs, God Apples are not coming back. Get over it.
Maybe if you are trying to incorporate pvp more you guys should try asking pvpers what they think? Just an idea..
 
Lol we have 8 members now and every one of them is prem and they have been prem for the past 8 months soooo please check your math again

I did my math per month, thank you very much. Anyway, I for one find it insulting beyond measure that you are claiming that your single faction donates more then the entire roleplay community. Not only is that arrogant as f*ck, but it makes me want to post some rude pictures of what you can do with your life.
 
NOT TO BE REPETITIVE BUT ALL PEOPLE SO FAR WHO HAVE DISAGREED ARE ROLE PLAYERS
 
Ok, there is a very simple answer to this extremely stupid thread, and it is to read. Read every discription or discriptive thing about the server. The one thing that is said in EVERY one of them, is that it is a roleplay server. Not pvp server, not entirely factions server, roleplay server. That is the point. Almost everything that goes into this server is something that enhances roleplay. Very little of it goes into the pvp aspect. Pvp is fine and all, don't get me wrong. But pvp only? Roleplay is a side affair? Undo all these excellent changes that have been made for it? Really? No.

NOTE THAT ALL DISAGREES ARE PEOPLE WHO ROLEPLAY

As I said before. This is a roleplay oriented server. People who roleplay should be everyone. You don't like it? Then this really is not the server for you.
 
I did my math per month, thank you very much. Anyway, I for one find it insulting beyond measure that you are claiming that your single faction donates more then the entire roleplay community. Not only is that arrogant as f*ck, but it makes me want to post some rude pictures of what you can do with your life.
FHFDooM donates, he has done plenty with his life, he owns his own shop in one of the nicest cities in the world. He gives us premium as an appreciation for making the game more fun, and being part of his faction.
 
I did my math per month, thank you very much. Anyway, I for one find it insulting beyond measure that you are claiming that your single faction donates more then the entire roleplay community. Not only is that arrogant as f*ck, but it makes me want to post some rude pictures of what you can do with your life.
Mech. The thing you and I both know is that when PVP was the dominate thing to do on massivecraft, Nearly everyone was Prem and the server was always at 175-200 players probably only 5-10 of whom were non prem. Now look at general. I never see a prem talk that's not rp. Maybe sometimes. But the server cannot live on rp without the PVP community the server will die off slowly. And I garuntee that Cayorion is seeing that in his bank account as all these players(PVP) are quiting massive.
 
NOT TO BE REPETITIVE BUT ALL PEOPLE SO FAR WHO HAVE DISAGREED ARE ROLE PLAYERS

That's not even true, there have been at least a couple PvP'rs to admit being so, and have disagree'd with you.
Are you even reading your own thread? Much less the multitude of places on the main site and forum that state the server is an RP server? As Cruallassar has already stated?
 
NOT TO BE REPETITIVE BUT ALL PEOPLE SO FAR WHO HAVE DISAGREED ARE ROLE PLAYERS

You obviously did not read what Mecharic said.
Nor what Marty said.
Nor what all the people who disagreed said.
They had legitimate and good reasons.
You however have just been repeating this one quote.
Please think before you say something. What you are saying isn't helping sh*t.
Jus' sayin'.
:D
Let alone, I'm a RPer, yet I didn't fully disagree. Some of the people who agreed RP as well, but they STILL AGREED.

Use logic, my dear friend.
Logic.
Think about this, RPers usually RP within faction lands because they can openly change it, they are able to kill each other, and can make it look to suit their RP needs. Now we don't want people in big suits coming in and ruining a perfect planned RP because they got back the god apples and can suddenly scale walls and leap over every shot we make.
Regalia can't have us edit the land freely, we can't kill there, we can't always RP the way we want there,
Bam. Legit reason, right there.
As much as the PVP side wants, and what I truly say should get, ease up a bit. Just because we RP doesn't mean we are sore losers, and hate all the PVPers. In fact, I almost could say the opposite. WE DON'T WANT TO FIGHT.
DO WE NEED TO FIGHT?
Nope.

Since I now can use normal typing, there are reasons right there. You stated your PVP reasons, now I just stated the just of ours. And, plus.
RP PVP SERVER. It's both. Not one or the other. You people still get your PVP. It just makes the server more RP, as it pretty much seems to have been intended to be.
 
Mech. The thing you and I both know is that when PVP was the dominate thing to do on massivecraft, Nearly everyone was Prem and the server was always at 175-200 players probably only 5-10 of whom were non prem. Now look at general. I never see a prem talk that's not rp. Maybe sometimes. But the server cannot live on rp without the PVP community the server will die off slowly. And I garuntee that Cayorion is seeing that in his bank account as all these players(PVP) are quiting massive.

While true, this is also why several people have suggested, several times, that more RP related perks be added to Premium, so that they'll be more likely to pay and we'll be less reliant on PvP members' money.
 
I'm going to throw a very big generalization into this, but I ask people look beyond that, and understand the context.

The majority of the rule breakers on the server are PVP'ers. While this is not explicitly researched, I don't think anyone will try to argue it. After all, Game staff is not allowed to deal with roleplay issues in Regalia, we have lore staff for this. Everything else is administration based on factions or player interaction infractions. If we were to take an average on a daily basis of punishments handed out, 95% of them are concentrated on PVP'ers:
  1. flaming in general
  2. abusing glitches
  3. cheating
  4. provoking staff
  5. harassing roleplayers
  6. disrupting roleplay events
  7. breaking common sense
The following is an assumption, It is not hardcore data that I can back up, but simply my opinion generated from 2,4 years of staffship. It is also not an opinion necessarily supported by other staff. The amount of rulebreaks on the server performed by long term pvp players outweighs the amount of rulebreaks performed by new "noobish" players as they tend to call them. Nearly all (with the exception of 2) forum reports against players concerning "hacks", were reports made by and against long term PVP'ers. The reason why the game staff cannot perform much PVP, at least as much as they used to, is because of the excessive administrating that they need to do. Half the people in this thread for as well as my memory servesmehave at least a mute, jail or tempban, or at least 2 of those. "community" is not something that is made by the staff alone. For about 80% it is the product of the interactions between the players, and to a smaller degree between players and staff. As such, it is reasonable to conclude that the fact that PVP players are effectively overworking Game staff who would normally be on their "fence", is their own doing.


A good way to express this sentiment is "the boy who cried wolf". Say an admin spent several days stopping an unruly player from constantly disrupting roleplay for shits and giggles, being completely inconsiderate of the feelings and fun of those roleplayers, but also the staff member who constantly has to chase after them. Then on one particular early morning when the player who disrupted roleplay himself needs help, the exhausted admin turns him down and something bad happens to the player because he did not receive help in time.

If the player had not rolled around disrupting roleplay, the admin would not have had to chase him around, would not have been tired, and would have been prepared to help the player even though it is way past his bed time. Not only that, the admin would have also been able to fill his time before that point with whatever he peased to do, which in most cases, would be reaping the fruits of his labor.

Either way you turn it, I personally feel that improvement for this change is fundamentally the internal responsibility of the PVP community. If the "headpieces" wouldn't treat each other so sourly, not only would be community be a friendlier place, it also means the staff can do more to support the technical side of things instead of constantly having to spend their time running after rule breakers.

We will support the PVP community with what changes we can, techwise and rulewise. We do however feel that the PVP community also needs to treat each other a tad less toxic.



I completely agree as far as that goes, Yes there are some immature flamers, but thats why theres the /ignore command.

Roleplay factions should simply hire mercanaries as defending, or make an alliance with somebody.

As far as InVictus goes I believe we go for a good role, so if you truly need help against an evil faction that likes to just slaughter for no reason, message a PvP faction that likes to help people and do not mind defending because its an opportunity to have some PvP Interaction.

As far as my suggestions went on my previous post, besides the surrender section , to make PvP fun again adding a nerfed version of Bloodlust would be fun and shouldn't cause to much lag with the new sharding servers, considering when bloodlust used to be around sharding was not out (don't know if the plugins were compatible, but that can probably be fixed). I actually like the idea Benalex suggested aswell though, make god apples uncraftable but make it a voting item might be a good idea aswell . I think it still is a good idea to have them to up the markets of Gold and Diamonds but if not so be it.

Sorry I has bad grammarz <3 .

*EDIT* Please note : Bling shut up. Everyone else, we're not trying to be Anti-Rp, There just needs to be both, I seriously don't see the bad thing about god apples. Why is everyone going against the suggestions for PvP? Do some people just not have respect for both gameplay styles of Minecraft. :/
 
NOT TO BE REPETITIVE BUT ALL PEOPLE SO FAR WHO HAVE DISAGREED ARE ROLE PLAYERS

And this is relevant how? Yeah, if you're more or less antagonizing roleplayers, they may just take offense to it.

Guys what I think bling and all pvpers are trying to say is, we do not really have near as much of a say as to what goes on with the server. Rpers got bloodlust and god apples removed, rpers force rp on pvpers, and after doing so take away the things that make pvp fun an unique on massivecraft. All we want is to have a bit of a say as to what goes on in pvp, and not let role players decide everything. I believe on the main site it says massivecraft is an rp PVP server.

The main reason "pvpers" (jeezus these terms are horrible) don't get there voices head is because they do not actively interact with staff/other members of the community outside the game, ie TS. Believe it or not, talking with people like MonMarty and Thortuna can not only let you see the people behind the decisions, but also make them know you as a person, not god-apple fetishistic player #42.
 
Pretty sure the general consensus has been "pvp gods" are the ultra powerful mcMMO skill'd, god armor wearing, premiums that slay armies without breaking a sweat. Not sure how you didn't know of these.
My solution for you is put in the months of training that we all have done to get here and you wont be complaining. Roleplayers do nothing to gain power. They write a story? They are famus in the RP world? Ok andddd people say Mcmmo is op.... Lol aperantly RP is a lot more op if all you have to do is apply to become important.
 
OMG Somone please kick this person from the team! They don't even know that is it is a RP/PVP Server GG!!!!!!!
Calm yourself if you came to prove a point, state a problem and propose a solution You failed. However if you came to Flame and Rage you only prove our points.
 
And this is relevant how? Yeah, if you're more or less antagonizing roleplayers, they may just take offense to it.



The main reason "pvpers" (jeezus these terms are horrible) don't get there voices head is because they do not actively interact with staff/other members of the community outside the game, ie TS. Believe it or not, talking with people like MonMarty and Thortuna can not only let you see the people behind the decisions, but also make them know you as a person, not god-apple fetishistic player #42.
LOL Thanks you proved my point! PVP players don't interact with the staff due to them all be biased to roleplay so there is no point of talking to them. All of the staff roleplays meaning if you roleplay you will interact with them.
 
OMG Somone please kick this person from the team! They don't even know that is it is a RP/PVP Server GG!!!!!!!

Really?
I do take back that there is a part in some descriptions that does say pvp. However, again, the point is still ROLEPLAY. Why do you think roleplay staff exist, and pvp staff don't?
 
LOL Thanks you proved my point! PVP players don't interact with the staff due to them all be biased to roleplay so there is no point of talking to them. All of the staff roleplays meaning if you roleplay you will interact with them.

Well duh they are biased to roleplays. It is a roleplay server.
 
Calm yourself if you came to prove a point, state a problem and propose a solution You failed. However if you came to Flame and Rage you only prove our points.
Grailen I have no respect for you and as far as im concerned I said CALLING ALL PVP'rs Not CALLING ALL THE ROLEPLAYERS TO DISAGREE!!!
 
And this is relevant how? Yeah, if you're more or less antagonizing roleplayers, they may just take offense to it.



The main reason "pvpers" (jeezus these terms are horrible) don't get there voices head is because they do not actively interact with staff/other members of the community outside the game, ie TS. Believe it or not, talking with people like MonMarty and Thortuna can not only let you see the people behind the decisions, but also make them know you as a person, not god-apple fetishistic player #42.
Believe it or not I used talk with ulumulu and gnarrf everyday. It is quite hard to talk to them when they are all hiding in toms teamspeak or in a private room. When I see a staff member who is actually in massivecraft ts and in an open room that I can get into if I am not in a select group of Marty's best friends, then I do go in and speak with them about random stuffs. If you want me to be more open, how about you guys be a little more reachable.
 
Roleplayers do nothing to gain power. They write a story? They are famus in the RP world?

Then again, think a bit about Luthien. She are famous not only in the RP world. And for good things, too.
Now think about Chronikatr.
Story kinda changes.
No matter what good they do, since they run around and sometimes kill people without warning, they got a bad rep., sometimes because they'd kill someone RPing within their faction or they were just randomly killing whilst others are building.

Luthien RPs as a sarcastic woman whom gets the deeper meaning of a sneeze!
And she still has a good rep! :D

PVP kinda changes that.
If you note, a lot of PVPers taunt when they raid. Or they insult.
Or flame, as I myself have done a bit.
But as MonMarty said, it's noted more within this crowd than RP.
I certainly know that the only people I truly dislike are within the PVP crowd. I know some of my friends whom have a large dislike for people in the PVP crowd as well.
Why?
Because a good majority tried to make this a PVP RP server.
Note the PVP came first.
Now everyone has to fight, and RP is a side.
That changes the server, my friend.
Cayorion made it a RP PVP server.
Order CAN affect things.
This is one of those ways it can.
 
FHFDooM donates, he has done plenty with his life, he owns his own shop in one of the nicest cities in the world. He gives us premium as an appreciation for making the game more fun, and being part of his faction.

Good for him. But I run the only bank on the server, manage a noble family, roleplay, manage multiple factions, and buy people premium all the time. I don't see how me being a roleplayer has anything to do with how much I give to the server, and that is why I am asking you to stop.
 
Grailen I have no respect for you and as far as im concerned I said CALLING ALL PVP'rs Not CALLING ALL THE ROLEPLAYERS TO DISAGREE!!!
I rest my case and now present you a picture to depict my feelings on you.
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Grailen I have no respect for you and as far as im concerned I said CALLING ALL PVP'rs Not CALLING ALL THE ROLEPLAYERS TO DISAGREE!!!

So...you are going to just make a stupid statement...and then not listen to everyone who disagrees? Again...really? Just...really? If that is what you are going to do, then you should just be banned now, in my opinion.
 
Really?
I do take back that there is a part in some descriptions that does say pvp. However, again, the point is still ROLEPLAY. Why do you think roleplay staff exist, and pvp staff don't?
The reason to be flat out is that Monmarty Thortuna Gethelp and Feywen Run the server and they are all RP. How long have you been playing on the server im sorry I don't believe I have ever seen you. You must have not played before regalia right? So I honestly say just stay out of this.
 
My solution for you is put in the months of training that we all have done to get here and you wont be complaining. Roleplayers do nothing to gain power. They write a story? They are famus in the RP world? Ok andddd people say Mcmmo is op.... Lol aperantly RP is a lot more op if all you have to do is apply to become important.

... Am I the only one wondering how you still don't understand that we don't want to compete with you? We don't want to be involved in PvP at all? We would have no issue with training for months IF we actually wanted to PvP, but we don't, so we don't see why we should have to.
Your opinion of writing a story though makes me assume you have a similar opinion of intelligence. Though your lack of understanding shows the same opinion. I feel truly sorry for you that you disregard reading/writing so easily not only as a skill but as a hobby or past time. Creative writing is an art sir.

Also you seem to forget that "Non-PvP" also includes the builders and architects of the server, who build all the factions in the server. That's a very time consuming and stressful job. In fact it too is an art.

Now please, learn some respect for culture, and stop being an uncouth barbarian.
 
Good for him. But I run the only bank on the server, manage a noble family, roleplay, manage multiple factions, and buy people premium all the time. I don't see how me being a roleplayer has anything to do with how much I give to the server, and that is why I am asking you to stop.
You do realize every time you get raided I have to come help you.. . But no I should "stop"
 
My solution for you is put in the months of training that we all have done to get here and you wont be complaining. Roleplayers do nothing to gain power. They write a story? They are famus in the RP world? Ok andddd people say Mcmmo is op.... Lol aperantly RP is a lot more op if all you have to do is apply to become important.

To get my position as a Regalia Noble I did the following: Founded and maintained the ONLY bank on MassiveCraft that actually has customers and is a running for-profit bank. If you think that's easy I'd like to tell you I probably spend more time dealing with the bank then you do darkrooming.
 
So...you are going to just make a stupid statement...and then not listen to everyone who disagrees? Again...really? Just...really? If that is what you are going to do, then you should just be banned now, in my opinion.
And In my opinion(now that we are throwing opinons out there) is that the whole RP staff needs to go read an RP thread or go do ERP cuz this thread was supposed to be for PVP'rs to get togeather and find solutions not for you RP players.
 
... Am I the only one wondering how you still don't understand that we don't want to compete with you? We don't want to be involved in PvP at all? We would have no issue with training for months IF we actually wanted to PvP, but we don't, so we don't see why we should have to.
Your opinion of writing a story though makes me assume you have a similar opinion of intelligence. Though your lack of understanding shows the same opinion. I feel truly sorry for you that you disregard reading/writing so easily not only as a skill but as a hobby or past time. Creative writing is an art sir.

Also you seem to forget that "Non-PvP" also includes the builders and architects of the server, who build all the factions in the server. That's a very time consuming and stressful job. In fact it too is an art.

Now please, learn some respect for culture, and stop being an uncouth barbarian.
If you don't pvp then why do you give a shit about this thread?
 
You do realize every time you get raided I have to come help you.. . But no I should "stop"

I don't like raids and am of the opinion that if you ignore the raiders and don't give them their little zing of "I killed people" they will go raid someone who will. It's worked in the past, boredom is a powerful force. That said, i do thank you for helping me, and am not saying you should stop pvping. Go for it, pvp, kill to your hearts content - just leave me out of it.
 
To get my position as a Regalia Noble I did the following: Founded and maintained the ONLY bank on MassiveCraft that actually has customers and is a running for-profit bank. If you think that's easy I'd like to tell you I probably spend more time dealing with the bank then you do darkrooming.
I would diffidently like proof please. Because I have probably spent over 6 months of playing time(not being on the server actuall hrs of lvling) just LVLing my stats and raiding etc
 
To get my position as a Regalia Noble I did the following: Founded and maintained the ONLY bank on MassiveCraft that actually has customers and is a running for-profit bank. If you think that's easy I'd like to tell you I probably spend more time dealing with the bank then you do darkrooming.
Mecharic please show us a little bit of respect without invictus your bank would have been wiped out 1000 times by spectec
 
LOL Thanks you proved my point! PVP players don't interact with the staff due to them all be biased to roleplay so there is no point of talking to them. All of the staff roleplays meaning if you roleplay you will interact with them.

Allow me to wrap my head around this...

First of all, staff members are not "biased" towards role-play. We understand both are essential parts of a community, and up to this point we attempt to have a give-and-take. We spent many months improving pvp prior to recent months where we have tried to improve rp as much as possible. And it may take your limited perspective by suprise, but not all "roleplayers" are only that. I myself mix both roleplaying and pvping. I am not an smug, arrogant "roleplayer" who thinks pvpers are beneath me, nor am I a crude, ill-mannered sack of droppings that can't represent themselves without putting someone else down to compensate for the fact they have a very small... swords skill.

My advice: People who represent themselves in only a negative light towards others, ie always putting something down and never trying to bring something up, will not be received kindly by staff. You may be here to have fun, and all power to you, but staff are here to create and stabilize a community. You don't want that? Then yeah, I guess we're biased if we don't "listen".

But we do listen. We even care, but we are not biased based on preference.
 
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