Too Many Nobles?

Darknesscrusher
-Kisses Elena- You understand what I feel!!! :') I officially respect you Darknesscrusher. I've been noticing that, and have been getting very on edge with the fact that all the GOOD rpers have chosen the higher life whereas some other good rpers are left back as Commoners. We really need some Nobles to take down their Nobleship and join the plebs! We need you! o_o
 
I have roleplayed a commoner much longer than I have roleplayed a noble. It is not impossible to bring up a characters reputation of they are not noble. If you are bored of roleplay as a commoner and are not finding enough to do, then generate roleplay. Form subplots to run along, Forge new relationships, build reputation. Aria, for example, had a growing reputation before she even got dragged into any sort of noble Rp. I only decided to become noble with Lenora to expand my roleplaying experiences on massive, having quite contentedly roleplayed a commoner for so long. Rather than create a family, I decided to join a family I had been invited to. It may seem like there area lot of nobles and noble families... But they are more active than the group of past families, which I see as a very good thing.
 
coolcraft1324 said:
Darknesscrusher
-Kisses Elena- You understand what I feel!!! :') I officially respect you Darknesscrusher. I've been noticing that, and have been getting very on edge with the fact that all the GOOD rpers have chosen the higher life whereas some other good rpers are left back as Commoners. We really need some Nobles to take down their Nobleship and join the plebs! We need you! o_o
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-Shoves the stranger aside while showing him her wedding ring, then calls her dwarven fiance, who happens to be a woman- raynesummer
 
Wait, I'm a noble servant who lives in their house, so am I a commoner?
 
Here's what I think:

The Baver Obsidian Tentacle thing needs to devour all of Regalia.

That's right.
Solution.

No more nobles. No more stupid "I'm a good vampire pornstar"
People can go roleplay in their factions. Might encourage some nicer towns, too.

Done. I'll be here all week, folks.
 
So, I agree with some of the points in this thread, however, there's one big misconception that you all have. Most of you have said that no one is ever in the tavern. Of course they aren't! Nobles, who are rich and have all the time in the world can afford to sit in the noble section of the tavern and talk, but commoners have things to do. I for one do not like to visit the tavern because it makes my computer lag. I often wander the streets of regalia looking for another commoner to rp with. So don't sit around in the tavern, complaining abut how no ones there, because a lot of us are busy plebs, who have things around regalia to do. So walk around, try to find rp instead of waiting for it to come to you, and if that still doesn't work, I'm sure an rp faction like haven would be pleased to have you visit for rp. It's really not hard to find good rp, you just have to look around.
 
To some people on here, I agree with you that it does seem like nobles just hang out and talk all day, that is totally not the case. Take it from someone who has been around from the first applications were allowed in the join the first noble family, there is shade. Not the shade that you bask in when trying to get out of the summer heat, but intense subtle insults thrown back in forth to hurt each other.

Nobility is like one big high school, where we are all cheerleaders trying to either appease the cheer captain or move up positions on the pyramid. Except for that scenario is on steroids, and murder is totally sanctioned.

Poisonings, assassinations, plots, political dealings, grabs for power. All of that is found in noble roleplay. It is crazy, you can barely even say five words to someone without the possibility of it being blown back into your face and then getting a knife in your back in some alleyway.

Not to mention that you always have to watch what you say in public, as you represent your family and yourself, and your public relations every time you step out of your home, and sometimes inside of your own home.

The catch is if you are caught in your shady dealings, your family will be defamed and you will be punished. Such is how the Beauverets came to fall, and how a certain house might fall soon to.

JUST YESTERDAY ALONE

  • Benedict Montgomery was thrown off of Victory tower because he nearly destroyed the Montgomery reputation by arguing openly with the lovegoods, the anaheras, and the Montgomery head herself.
  • The head of the Tonem house was murdered in -cough- someone's -cough- backyard because she was loosing her good name and ties after helping stab the Beauverets at the day of their name falling into the mud.
  • A certain matron of a family has been accused of harming a younger woman in another family, tying her down to a bed, scaring her stomach, and the sort.
  • The montgomery's stated they would be throwing a ball, so someone in another family stated they would throw ball on the same day to try and smack up the Montgomery's.
 
JadeXephoz said:
You have some points there, but here are a few of my opinions, if you don't mind.

Noble role-play is earned from good role-play, and a good role-players deserve the right to become a noble, just as other families did before them. It is a role-players wish if he/she wants to become a noble, if the supply the skills and understanding, then there is no reason to turn them down simply because there are to many noble families.

Creating a noble family gives an opportunity for those dedicated role-players, to make their families debut in Regalia. Creating more of a option for noble families, to create alliances, fight with enemies throw shade and such. All nobles families have been created by hardworking, role-players, that have earned their rank. There's no point in denying someone a chance to join into a noble family, when they certainly posses the capabilities.

I do admit, there are only a few good role-playing plebeians, and the role-play opportunities are slim, however if you think you have the skills to apply for Noble, then don't let that stop you. If you compare the amount of noble families, to the amount of non-noble role-players their are actually not too many nobles.
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๖ۣۜI honestly feel there somewhat is a large number of nobles, given in medieval times, the commoners barely saw the nobles due to the amount of guards and the times they were avoid normal districts because they were 'dirty'. I will agree to there being too many Good-RPing nobles, although there is little to complain about, all my friends are currently nobles and it sort of runs off good opportunities to befriend/enemy them IC without it being a rather cliche form of it, ex. "Oh they are snobby, oh they are too clean, oh they are cowards, oh this guy beat me at checkers when I was 5," all the nonsense. I certainly have tried to teach common RPers to try and follow lore and avoid god-rp, metagaming, all the such, but there seem to really just be too many to do on my own. In fact, it really is not my job to technically help teach, I still do it for the benefit of me and others, but it certainly discourages future GOOD roleplayers when someone responds to a God-RP with ((God-rp, noob, ignore him. Such an idiot.)) That hurts. Teaching them how to RP is good. But being a d*ck about it does not help. Yes, you people know who you are, ya meanies. Yes, a bit mean myself, but there are countless times I have seen it and it has not only pushed away RPers willing to read because people are kind to them, but it also can push away players from the server. Extreme scenario, but I have seen a player do that before because they were new to RP and everyone was being mean to him for it. However, given the Beauverets and the VanSherburnes basically, ever so slightly were maliciously accidently popped out of existence, there is certainly not as large a number as before. I think the real main issue now is not that we have too many nobles, but that we do not have enough good peasants? Darknesscrusher I would think just finding a way to teach characters kindly and efficiently would solve the problem. Then the noble population would not seem to powerful or large anymore.
 
DrakeRome said:
  • The head of the Tonem house was murdered in -cough- someone's -cough- backyard because she was loosing her good name and ties after helping stab the Beauverets at the day of their name falling into the mud.
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I wonder who's house this might've token place in...Doesn't it puzzle you Drake?
 
-looks left and right, peeking out of the shade bunker-
Alright, let's get to it then, shall we? -cracks knuckles-

Hello! I'm Baba, the head of the Anahera family. Considering I've only essentially been in noble roleplay when i upstarted my roleplay career, my opinion probably isn't as valued as say Feykronos , but I feel as though I should say something:

From my time in Regalia (before the nobility project), I've been able to witness, watch, and be entertained by the various roleplay situations that seemed to be around every corner. Whether it be some sort of mugging, casual conversation, or the oh-so tragic murder of someone. There was roleplay all around me, and I was content as to not disturb it or partake in it (keep in mind I was a beautiful Walrus at the time). As time progressed, however, I've began to notice the formation of cliques and RP groups, a collection of friends and whoever that all just enjoy to roleplay with themselves and the few others. Whenever I'm at the tavern, I see these oh-so lonely souls shrieking about vampire rights and racial equality. Now, just because someone has horrible roleplay that doesn't connect with your tastes doesn't mean you should just not roleplay with them. In fact, engaging these 'bad roleplayers' is a wonderful way to allow them to develop. Not all of use are just born with the blessing of server-wide context, competence, and in-loop with the happenings of Regalia.

The main antagonist of bad roleplay is ignorance. Ignorance to the lore, to the upper echelons of Regalia's society, ignorance to any ethics/how-tos of roleplay. I know that many of people in the community have the heart to say "Help them! Don't ignore them!" But I know that even with such a lovely heart, most don't possess the tools/the mental capacity to handle such a job.
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The amount of nobles is fine (albeit a tad bit low; crucify me!). To directly tag with/along with MonMarty & Feykronos said, nobility is a reward to roleplayers who've earned it. Just because the 'good roleplayers' are getting reawrded and accepting said reward doesn't mean that they explicitly want to leave commoner roleplay. Speaking of such, I am disliking the overall tone of this thread,"Oh! The good roleplayers are joinig the nobility! Boo-hoo!" Do excuse the negative context in that exaggerated quote, but keep in mind that you don't need a 'good roleplayer' to keep yourself entertained in roleplay. Don't let the idea of commoner roleplay lacking 'good roleplay' denounce the entire idea of commoner roleplay all-together. With what Fey said in mind, progress your own roleplay. Create it yourself. One cannot simply moan about how there is a distinct lack of commoenr roleplay when they sit in the tavern in silence, whimpering to every noble.

In the case of Elena Darknesscrusher , your character's actions have literally slammed her into the dirt. No noble wants to interact with Elena, and every other commoner knows that being with Elena would probably land 'em some bad rep with the Lo family. If you yourself wish to continue to roleplay. I'd suggest killing of your character, but hey, if not you'll always have that cool character development with Elena :p

That's basically all, me thinks. I just woke up from thirteen hours of sleep and am groggy as hell, so keep that in mind. Yada yada, happy holidays~
 
MonMarty said:
You're drawing a lot of incorrect assumptions. An example would be the Lamperouge Family. 2 months prior to their ascenscion to nobility, as a common family, they organized their own parties, were involved with the noble conflict between the Beauveret's and Anahera's, and functioned as a military aimed family with it's own mercenary host. The same goes for the Coen's, who functioned as household guards of the Kades I believe, though someone else would have to quote me on that as I missed that whole episode. Similarly, the Tonems were tea producers and exporters for several months before actually becoming nobility due to the opening of a free slot. All noble families started their career as commoner families.

The only two families who started as nobility straight away were the Sherburnes and the Kades, even the Anahera and Beauveret wandered around Regalia for a long period roleplaying as traders and wine merchants prior to becoming nobility.
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As time as went on though, they have become nobles and a focus on achieving + maintaining a life of nobility has been the proportion of everyone's role-play in Regalia - This is just what I've seen I suppose.
Whether they started there on not, my point was that there is a awful lot focused on the role-play of nobles in Regalia, and I might be missing something but I can't find many opportunities whilst being commoners.
 
After hearing the points of many of you guys, I'd like to recollect my thoughts. The level of nobility is actually fine, but I was just a lazy person and didn't seek out the good RP. And I'm naïve.
 
Feykronos said:
Well, I figure I should throw my coins in the pot, considering all of the people who have commented so far are a) commoners on the side of commoner rp and b) nobles on the side of noble rp. [At least when I started typing this. Times may have changed. Back in 2005 when I started typing this.]

Having played both for a time, and hearing both ends from the various members of Haven/Sylvan, I would like to consider that my view is relatively well formed. I would also like to stress that this is my personal opinion. So, without further ado, a wonderful list:

  • Statistics wise, the number and activity of nobles has remained the same. So, in terms of the original post, I'm not seeing any reason to attempt to cut down on nobility.
  • Nobility is a reward for good roleplay, and should remain that way. I rarely see anybody turn this down, and I am sure that if it was offered to your characters, you would take it. That is not a bad thing. At the core of this we roleplay for fun, and people have the right to enjoy themselves. Especially if they have put a great deal of time or effort into it. Taking away the opportunity might be deprimental to some people's motivation, and taking away the status itself from families who are already noble would be... Ridiculous, in my opinion. It would have a negative affect on roleplay through trying to force an outcome.
  • Having said that, the point Anette1play gave of hardly being able to 'walk out on the street without getting assassinated'. I am really not seeing that as a negative. You are being jumped randomly and given rp in the street. From an OOC perspective, that is a good thing. If they are metagaming or God-RPing, you have the right to ignore them, which only leaves good opportunity for RP.
  • This may be terribly harsh and I apologise in advance but... If you play a commoner, and you don't think there is enough commoner rp... Make some. Sitting their complaining isn't going to fix anything, and I willfully urge you to go out and do something about the problem. I play a commoner, and yes, I am very aware of the lack of good commoner roleplay. But I still go in the tavern and try to initiate some, because a lot of the 'bad rpers' might just not have the concept grasped fully yet. The reason in my eyes for the lack of decent commoner roleplay, is not because there are too many active noble roleplayers, but because there are too few active commoner roleplayers. Just taking the examples in this thread, people mentioning that they hang around nobles all day to try and get some roleplay, or go to nobles towns and the like. It seems that all the good commoner roleplayers are doing that, and therein lies the problem. I truly believe that making an active effort to roleplay in Regalia - even if it takes a while and you have to hang around waiting - will solve any problem there is with a lack of good commoner roleplay.
  • Having said all of that, there are good commoners who roleplay. A great deal of them in fact. Many have turned to roleplay factions to remedy this, which is fine, I even support that. But taking time out to roleplay in Regalia does have a positive influence on the community, and may roleplayers still do this.
  • SilverAlbatross and Darknesscrusher. Silver I have rarely seen about the tavern in weeks. [I may have been wrong on this so do not quote me] And Darkness, until recently, barely roleplayed with any non-nobles. This is not a complaint, so please do not take this as a criticism. This point here is to show that people are free to do what they want to do, but I personally think then complaining about a problem that you are not attempting to fix... Seems strange to me. Specifically, complaining about how noble roleplay is "sucking away good roleplayers" when up until recently your own character was one of those apparently 'sucked away', just... Yeah. I am entirely aware this will probably be taken negatively, but still, I urge you to consider what was said.
In summary; as a commoner roleplayer, I sill believe that nobles should remain as they are, and that the commoners should work to improve their own roleplay environment, before pointing fingers. [That was probably far too confrontational, but this thread has me a little... riled.]

Okay so... Thank you for reading. If you did. I am half expecting a dozen disagrees and at least a couple of 'tl;dr's, but still I hope I have gotten my view across.
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Though I agree with you statistic wise - Not all of it is accurate.
The Bastian Family for one aren't nobles and wouldn't accept the offer even if given - That's our choice.
Nobles do indeed create there own RP, though, many opportunities are given to them to be able to. My only judgement and request is to equal the playing field.
To say that people are just complaining, is some what pre-mature. The communities way of complaining comes with their requested effort to change this, something i think people overlook and don't adjust to the demand.
I don't think it's awfully hard to create certain events and such to suit the common community as well, rather then everyone trying to become Nobles.
Besides that, going off "not everyone wants to be nobles", not all good role-players becomes Nobles, and so they have limited their options, which is a pitty.
I mean, I'm not asking to change nobility, it's great - I loved hearing about the Beauverets and Kades and such, and are good friends with the people that play them. However, what I am purposing is focusing on giving Regalia a personality. (Rewarding the civilians with some sort of function like a ball or such), or giving other options like (Regalia advertising and sponsoring businesses that have been Rped actively, just like they reward good RP with nobility). Basically just small events for the major of the communities rpers.
 
Mattium_ said:
Though I agree with you statistic wise - Not all of it is accurate.
The Bastian Family for one aren't nobles and wouldn't accept the offer even if given - That's our choice.
Nobles do indeed create there own RP, though, many opportunities are given to them to be able to. My only judgement and request is to equal the playing field.
To say that people are just complaining, is some what pre-mature. The communities way of complaining comes with their requested effort to change this, something i think people overlook and don't adjust to the demand.
I don't think it's awfully hard to create certain events and such to suit the common community as well, rather then everyone trying to become Nobles.
Besides that, going off "not everyone wants to be nobles", not all good role-players becomes Nobles, and so they have limited their options, which is a pitty.
I mean, I'm not asking to change nobility, it's great - I loved hearing about the Beauverets and Kades and such, and are good friends with the people that play them. However, what I am purposing is focusing on giving Regalia a personality. (Rewarding the civilians with some sort of function like a ball or such), or giving other options like (Regalia advertising and sponsoring businesses that have been Rped actively, just like they reward good RP with nobility). Basically just small events for the major of the communities rpers.
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-looks left & right-
How about tt Winter Festival, though...? o.o
 
BabaManga said:
-looks left & right-
How about tt Winter Festival, though...? o.o
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It was a nice thought, Just from what I've seen, it hasn't quite lived up to what I would of expected.
It seems rather out of the way from everything, it's full of mainly NPC's, and everyone is doing the same quest so it's not much of a unique role-play.
I thought of another idea, Church sessions - Maybe days that they announce rituals and such, adding to more people role-playing as following Regalian Religion.
 
Mattium_ said:
It was a nice thought, Just from what I've seen, it hasn't quite lived up to what I would of expected.
It seems rather out of the way from everything, it's full of mainly NPC's, and everyone is doing the same quest so it's not much of a unique role-play.
I thought of another idea, Church sessions - Maybe days that they announce rituals and such, adding to more people role-playing as following Regalian Religion.
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it's not like our inhouse church man hasn't been working on those -cough- -cough-. PickAccess
 
Ben_2025 said:
My opinion's rather irrelevant but I felt I would share anyways for anyone who was curious. I have at points been both common and noble (besides the fact my noble was such a bad "noble"), but that is beside the point.

Personally I feel this criticism stems from the fact that perhaps, and I say perhaps because I've only noticed this rather than actively finding out, but there seem to be a lot of family members in noble families. Therefore I've noticed that either many people try and join in with their friends in their own noble family, or just try and get into them. Leading to a large amount of what seems to be nobles.

Where I'd disagree with the criticism with the number of noble families is that it is perfectly good for there to be a sizable number of these families in Regalia, the feuds and backhand dealings make the city a far more lively place. That said it would be nice to see more people engaging as the staff of a family rather than a full fledged member, as often I find myself in the tavern wishing to engage in conversation with someone and the only people I see are what I always think are the "semi-nobles" (correct me if I'm wrong) who don't seem to be able to enter the noble lounge and therefore spend the remainder of their stay in the tavern either shutting themselves completely off from the world or surrounding themselves with servants.

Honestly I feel the issue is people's craving for either good RP or a desire to impress certain characters/befriend them. While usually I'd find an issue with the number of "talented" Rp'ers also being nobility it is also the case that a good number of capable Rp'ers are also commoners. Therefore what I'd like to see is something that many find hard to grasp... being mundane! It seems to me that a lot of the community often flocks to certain individuals in the noble scene, fine that may be acceptable in passing, but think about it for a moment and certain issues seem to arise from that. For one, nobles don't want to be stalked... yes it happens... Two, as a commoner you should be perfectly content to talk about the most random and also ordinary topics. Personally in my own daily life I don't run up to people and ask them about how they feel about their local MP just so I can argue about it, so why do people feel the need to do that here?

Fine, I'll admit that it might be perfectly logical for your character to harbor a grudge over the malevolent Celine Anahera or fall smitten for Alex Kade, but for the majority of commoners they would only be passing conversation and harmless gossip.

To summarise, in my opinion the noble families are/ and should be kept as they are. Perhaps a small reduction in the amount of family members, but that is not essential. People should perhaps be more inclined to go for staffing positions in the families rather than family members themselves, and that people should be happy to be more ordinary in their actions. I for one quite enjoy attempting to be an ordinary character now, yesterday I had a whole conversation about the stone that was used for paving in Regalia and how it might look nice in someone's home.

Perhaps a focus is needed on improving commoner roleplay rather than noble roleplay now that the families themselves are set up, and yes I will attempt to be doing this, once my dwellings are set up I plan on hosting a commoner only feast and dance. A little merrymaking could perhaps go a long way to change people's opinions on Rp'ing as a commoner

Please do let me know what you think, although could tearing me to shreds be avoided?
~Ben
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This guy knows what's up - Respect earned man! respect earned! - Not that you intended for that or need that, just showing my gratitude.
 

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