Archived Spider People?

[Faunfire]

I remember when the server was full of races, be it spider, deer, fish, squirrel, at one point I remember people were made out of fire. What happened? All the races being deleted really limits players, in my opinion and a bunch of people grouped together with me to help me protest this. There used to be a sort of spark on massive, but as of late, it seems to have died off. If you agree, or want spider people back, post your reasoning below! I know the new Maraya update has some form of spider thing, but I personally miss the actual spider people with spider legs.

The more the merrier!

 

[MrNoot1]

They don't even have to be OP, or even have the intension of murdering people at all, or anything of that. I just want something that would make the guards piss themselves if they looked at them. Something they knew nothing about really, something new, something that will start a spark, and the race being so disgusting that it strikes fear into almost all warriors. This isn't suppose to be demanding, it's suppose to be a suggestion, something to help make the community more interesting for new role-players, and old ones.

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There is no point in that. Why would you have a completely new race when, as Nixces stated, when you have a race that completely fits the bill. Someone with red eyes and pretty much limbs for hair is scary enough. You could do so much with how they are now and it can be fun for yourself and the others you RP with.

 

[_Chui]

Not every Haat-Maraya needs to be sexy. They can be plenty creepy-looking. You should focus more on properly portraying a Haat as creepy, rather than relying on a certain aesthetic as a crutch. They don't all need to be hot and dressed in whore-ish clothing, nor do they have to act like a thot.

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[BulbousDevourer]

We more of want something different, something that doesn't just have two legs. Something that looks human, but is more disgusting. It doesn't even have to be a spider at this point. A monster race at this point, that everyone will fear, would be great. This is only a suggestion.

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Then play a Varghul, a Varlord, a feral vampire, a Cryptall vampire, an undead, etc. There are are plenty of avenues for "monster" RP. You don't need more than two legs to accomplish that, although I understand that we all have wishes for certain racial aesthetics. Making an entire race just based on wanting multiple legs is nonsensical, however.

 

[Suzzie]

All the races being deleted really limits players

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All the races deleted had extremely low player bases, in the range of like literally 2 for some.

I feel that people look back at this "earlier" time of Massive with really thick rose tinted glasses. Did Massive have more races? Sure. But that doesn't mean they were good. A lot of early concepts were flawed, or just downright unpopular. Also abused. Remember the Avarr? A bird race, 7ft tall and stronger than Orcs. KOS, and all I can remember is people powergaming and trolling with them. I remember when Thylan were retired- So many people complained, but not a single person actually played a Thylan. I feel like chances are people would play these beastly races for like a month as a fad- It always happens- and then go back to their standard Ailor/Elven characters.

I'm going to do a random sample off the first page for character reviews as an example.

Out of 40 sheets, there following races were present:

• 13 Ailor
  
• 6 Altalar
• 3 Kathar
• 3 Cielothar
  
• 2 Sihndar
  
• 2 Isldar
• 2 Slizzar
  
• 1 Avanthar
• 1 Maraya
• 1 Orc
• 1 Varran
• 1 Half-Varran
• 1 Half-Elf
• 1 Url
• 1 Qadir
• 1 Yanar

Which means from my sample...

32% of the sample plays Ailor.
42% of the sample plays an Elven race.
17% of the sample plays Other (Slizzar, Maraya, Orc, Varran, Url, Yanar).

And these aren't all main characters either. There were like five apps from mroof so the results are skewed.

Alternative races aren't as popular as the core races. This is very simple.

I remember back when Maraya were actual bugs. They could be giant wasps, moths, anything. Complete bugs. People played the heck out of them back then.

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Rose tinted glasses. The Vespid weren't that popular outside of a small group. There was a small cult essentially that came along with them, but nothing comparable to the Ailor/Elven playerbase.

It's always fun to have lots of races, and sure, Massive may have had more in the past. But that was from a time where the server was heavily disorganized and can't even hold a candle to what it is now. The lore wasn't as detailed, and there were holes, many many holes. As of now, the server is streamlined and concise. Adding more races would spread out the already large race pool.

We literally have 18 races. Don't believe me?

Human:

• Ailor
• Ch'ien-ji/Shihai
• Dwarf
• Qadir
• Songaskian

Magus:

• Altalar
• Avanthar
• Cielothar
• Sihndar
• Isldar
• Kathar
• Yanar

Maia:

• Maraya

Gorr:

• Allar
• Slizzar
• Varran
• Orc
• Url

This isn't even including subraces, which would make the listen even longer. 18 races is INSANE for a server such as Massive. I really don't think we need any more furry races, or scalies, or monsters. We have enough. To add more would over saturate the already saturated race pool. The fact is, people like playing the familiar. Abstract race concepts do not fly well, and it shows in numbers. Release hype usually makes things feel much more popular than they actually are, and you end up with a race that may be "cool", but once that bandwagon passes, the numbers drop.

Thus, I do not think it is worth devoting manpower to creating another race to add on top of the 18, when there are other areas of lore that could actually use the time and effort to be worked upon and brought up to MassiveCraft's current standard.

tl;dr
abstract races aren't popular we don't need more weird races, it won't do anything.

 

[BulbousDevourer]

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Not every Haat needs to look like that, either. Not to be rude, but it really comes down to creativity. If you can't make it NOT sexy, then that's moreso your own fault than anything else.

 

[NoRezForYou]

We more of want something different, something that doesn't just have two legs. Something that looks human, but is more disgusting. It doesn't even have to be a spider at this point. A monster race at this point, that everyone will fear, would be great. This is only a suggestion.

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Just because you desire something doesn't mean Marty should spend hours of effort on a wiki page for a redundant race. No matter how many times you tell us 'I want it give me, give me' it will not change how anti-productive the race would be. Suzzie justifies this really well but just remember that other people are doing the work & it is someone else's project at the same time.

 

[Nixces]

Not every Haat-Maraya needs to be sexy.

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They don't all need to be hot and dressed in whore-ish clothing,

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>Uses ONE example of ONE art piece of ONE character that doesn't have to summaries all Maraya having to be thots and is just an artistic/characteristic choice

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[_Chui]

There is no point in that. Why would you have a completely new race when, as Nixces stated, when you have a race that completely fits the bill. Someone with red eyes and pretty much limbs for hair is scary enough. You could do so much with how they are now and it can be fun for yourself and the others you RP with.

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I agree, but however, something new is always great, it's like they are repeating the horrid looks of other races onto others. I say we need something new, not a repeat. I do highly enjoy all the races as they are, keep in mind, that this was a suggestion. It more of started out as a joke and now is becoming something serious. So, I'm going to take it serious. But however, with the horns and red eyes, it feels like a repeat with all races, it gets old. It never hurts to have something new, I wouldn't even play a race that was so different from the rest as a fad either, I think I would enjoy being different and a lot of others would too, maybe.

 

[Salvej]

There is absolutely no need for a further furry apocalypse than we already have. Stop trying to push the furry agenda and move on from the past. As multiple people said in thread, Haat-Maraya do not have to be sexy seductress spider people. The fact that everyone is obsessed about playing a character with eight legs is rather jarring, too.

Edit: the fact that certain people in the thread are lowkey insulting the staff's hard work on our lore is also disgusting. Accusing our hard-working lore staff of "repeating the same races over and over" is nasty.

 

[Faunfire]

abstract races aren't popular we don't need more weird races, it won't do anything.

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That's totally fine, I just think and remember when things were diffrent. Stuff had more of an intresting vibe. I just kind of figured maybe if we made a monster race, the fun would come back to massive. I understand we have so many races, but there's always caps and limits on the things that are fun, and there's no use arguing those because rules are rules, right? Sorry for bothering everybody with all these replies and such, this was supposed to be a fun suggestion but now it's slowly turning into a fight. Sorry about that, but hey, it was still a fun idea to pitch. Regardless of whether it gets accepted or even looked at by mods, it was fun to think up and write ideas with friends, be they too 'out there' or 'abstract'. We still had fun.

 

[Faunfire]

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this image will never cease to make me laugh

 

[_Chui]

Just because you desire something doesn't mean Marty should spend hours of effort on a wiki page for a redundant race. No matter how many times you tell us 'I want it give me, give me' it will not change how anti-productive the race would be. Suzzie justifies this really well but just remember that other people are doing the work & it is someone else's project at the same time.

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It was a simple suggestion, now, I didn't even make the post. I just like the idea of it, and how it would be different from all races, and I respect what the staff do for us, but keep in mind, this is a suggestion, not a demand. It is a desire however, seeing this is something I do desire to have put into massive, and would love to see it bloom into something more.

 

[BulbousDevourer]

That's totally fine, I just think and remember when things were diffrent. Stuff had more of an intresting vibe. I just kind of figured maybe if we made a monster race, the fun would come back to massive. I understand we have so many races, but there's always caps and limits on the things that are fun, and there's no use arguing those because rules are rules, right? Sorry for bothering everybody with all these replies and such, this was supposed to be a fun suggestion but now it's slowly turning into a fight. Sorry about that, but hey, it was still a fun idea to pitch. Regardless of whether it gets accepted or even looked at by mods, it was fun to think up and write ideas with friends, be they too 'out there' or 'abstract'. We still had fun.

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Again, though, there are several avenues for monster roleplay already. Create a Varghul and make him feral. Done deal.

 

[_Chui]

There is absolutely no need for a further furry apocalypse than we already have. Stop trying to push the furry agenda and move on from the past. As multiple people said in thread, Haat-Maraya do not have to be sexy seductress spider people. The fact that everyone is obsessed about playing a character with eight legs is rather jarring, too.

Edit: the fact that certain people in the thread are lowkey insulting the staff's hard work on our lore is also disgusting. Accusing our hard-working lore staff of "repeating the same races over and over" is nasty.

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I respect what all staff does for us, it was just a suggestion. Let's be nice, and play fair.

 

[Nixces]

Stop trying to push the furry agenda

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powerful, salvej
very cool

 

[Faunfire]

There is absolutely no need for a further furry apocalypse than we already have. Stop trying to push the furry agenda and move on from the past. As multiple people said in thread, Haat-Maraya do not have to be sexy seductress spider people. The fact that everyone is obsessed about playing a character with eight legs is rather jarring, too.

Edit: the fact that certain people in the thread are lowkey insulting the staff's hard work on our lore is also disgusting. Accusing our hard-working lore staff of "repeating the same races over and over" is nasty.

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Slow down there sparky, simple suggestion that is now getting WAY out of hand, let's NOT be hostile, we already finished up, and I don't think spiders clasify as furries unless they are tarancialas but even then they don't actually have fur. Also! We're not insulting the staff at all! We love the staff, and without them, this server wouldn't exist. Please don't get hostile.

 

[Suzzie]

But however, with the horns and red eyes, it feels like a repeat with all races, it gets old. It never hurts to have something new, I wouldn't even play a race that was so different from the rest as a fad either, I think I would enjoy being different and a lot of others would too, maybe.

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Honestly, how you word this comes off as very disrespectful, unintentional or not. Why don't you write a race then, and see how it goes? A lot of thought, a lot of time, and a lot of effort goes into the creation of a race. It's not just aesthetics, there's a whole slew of angles to consider like appeal, and niche. Niche is above all the most important thing to consider, and as of now, we don't have an open niche for spider ladies, especially with spider-maraya being a thing now. The Haat-Maraya literally have six eyes on their headpiece, have hair that move in tendrils in ways that no other race has. What other race has that, where is the repeat? You could maybe relate this to a sort of medusa concept maybe, but it's wildly different. Of course there's repetition among void-corrupted races, that's consistency with their taint.

I'm not trying to be mean here, but it's.. Not a simple task as many people think.

 

[Faunfire]

The Haat-Maraya literally have six eyes on their headpiece, have hair that move in tendrils in ways that no other race has. What other race has that, where is the repeat?
I'm not trying to be mean here, but it's.. Not a simple task as many people think.

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don't slizzar have that ability?

 

[FireFan96]

Imma just pop in a final time and say that it might be possible to add in a new Haat Maraya ability that makes them more of a spider down the road if there is large enough player base. Alternatively, I think there are lore items/abilities that can makepeople think a Spider person is there when it isn't.

Illusions and hallucinations may be a compromise. not ideal to the suggestion, but it would have the same effect IC.

 

[Suzzie]

don't slizzar have that ability?

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While they (Slizzar) don't actually have hair, in its place they possess a bundle of tentacles which have limited movement capabilities. These are usually bound up, similar in appearance to dreadlocks.

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[...] they have some amount of physical control over their hair, being able to pull strands together into spider-like legs, and are able to jab these at others who come close. As opposed to their elbow blade, these spider-leg-like hair jabs don't inflict any piercing damage and at most can become obstructing to vision when repeatedly jabbing in someone's face. Somewhere under their fast growing hair, they have the same ears as El-Maraya, but usually hidden underneath.

This hair can be used to hold up the weight of a Haat-Maraya suspended from the ceiling, where the spider-leg-like hair strands act like spider legs that chitter over the ceiling and using the flexibility of the hair to hold onto any crevice or object they can grab a hold of. It is as such possible for Haat-Maraya to even use their hair on the ground to drag their body around if for some reason their hands and legs are restrained, but they obviously refrain from doing so out of the notion that this looks incredibly silly.

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No.

 

[MonMarty]

The majority of the player base is still against weird alien race mutant things just walking around and chitters seductively at u in the street+ rp. The community was different way back when, and then it clearly started edging against the concept of spider-centaurs just walking hand in hand with quadruped fauns and slithering naga bodies while a Human bartender is just trying to do their job.

Player creativity isn't by default a good thing. Player creativity also leads to players running over the rights and desires of other players in a slippery slope argument that doesn't actually mean anything at all. Creativity can flourish just fine on a canvas.

 

[_Chui]

I think a mutation in the Haats that allows them to have more then one limb, like legs or arms, would be a cool idea. Seeing they are suppose to be based off spiders, and spiders have 8 legs. It wouldn't be that bad of an idea.

 

[Naganadel_]

They are spiders either way. Do try to enjoy the races that we have and make the fullest of them as you can.

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The races we have getting a little old and uninteresting. The only ones I can rp as is Isldars, Marayas, Kathar and Ch'ien-ji and they're getting replaced. Soooo, we need more ineteresting races.

 

[MrNoot1]

The races we have getting a little old and uninteresting. The only ones I can rp as is Isldars, Marayas, Kathar and Ch'ien-ji and they're getting replaced. Soooo, we need more ineteresting races.

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They aren't getting replaced, there have been updates sure but they aren't going to be replaced for a while I believe

 

[Suzzie]

The races we have getting a little old and uninteresting. The only ones I can rp as is Isldars, Marayas, Kathar and Ch'ien-ji and they're getting replaced. Soooo, we need more ineteresting races.

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What?

Isldar may get a tune up, but Maraya and Kathar shouldn't be touched for a long time. The Shihai update for Chi'ien-ji is actually going to expand that race with several subtypes. You're saying these races are old, when literally in the past year several of them have been rewritten, buffed and expanded. Huh?

Also, jeez. You've essentially said "ur races bore me, therefore we need more INTERESTING races". That's just, so disrespectful. It's like showing up to someone's birthday party, and when you get a slice of cake you go "Ew, I don't like vanilla, that's boring! Make me a chocolate cake!"

Honestly, I don't think you'd enjoy something crazy - I actually think, looking at your list of "rp-able" races that you would enjoy the Elven races, such as Altalar, Avanthar, Cielothar and Sihndar. All the Elven races would seem to fall on your range of aesthetics, and some have very powerful racial abilities. Maybe give those a try.