Archived Jemo's Idea For Larger Factions To Emerge!

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Hello! Yes I am Jemo...

Either way, these are (mostly) easy (not sure but I heard these weren't large addons that I had in mind)
and possible features you could add for a large faction to be sorted easier.
I've had problems with being in a chat recruiting people and other members thinking I was talking to them and stuff got messy, also city distribution was hard with the access plugin.

What I'm suggesting:
-Faction chat; the chat to be able to be sorted have about 3-5 different chats in faction which you could maybe set for ranks or only people you would like to add of your faction inside it. This way members won't have to deal with a messy chat where no one knows whats it all about.
- Access expansion; You could access set easier with /f access set auto [r; rank, p; player, f; faction], maybe have a /f access map so we could see where we gave access to what rank.
- Add some more ranks; maybe 2 just for comfort, people like to progress troughout a faction thus get a rank but when one hits member he doesn't always get a officer rank because officer are close people, with more ranks your members will have more progress ability troughout the faction and you could even assign this rank handles diplomatics, this one does building, you get my point of having more ranks will make it easier to assign certain groups witouth having them messing abouts and also have your members be able to progress more actively.

Any suggestions can still be added, if anyone gives me an idea or I get a new idea to add I'll be surely doing it!
I hope you all get my point if not than just ask below, if you agree tell me why, if you disagree tell me too why
 
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jemoeder2021 said:
- Add some more ranks; maybe 2 just for comfort, people like to progress troughout a faction thus get a rank but when one hits member he doesn't always get a officer rank because officer are close people, with more ranks your members will have more progress ability troughout the faction and you could even assign this rank handles diplomatics, this one does building, you get my point of having more ranks will make it easier to assign certain groups witouth having them messing abouts and also have your members be able to progress more actively.
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/f title (name) (title)
i still suport it tough
 
Regarding the faction ranks I believe a more permanent and satisfying solution would be to allow the creation of new ranks by the faction owner with custom names and permissions.
 
I agree with TheFinitePeach. But I also agree with the ideas you have :D
 
I think you are well educated and have owned your own faction. I agree with everything you have stated.


+1

I want to see what some of the staff think, im going to tag some tech staff as well as some direction staff
@Cayorion @Madus @Thortuna @MonMarty
 
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How would you get to these faction chats, would there be a command like f1: and f2: for each rank up, or would you have to stick to that one chat? becuase if so then that would be terrible idea, but maybe I miss-read it or did not understand it clearly
 
Boneead6 said:
How would you get to these faction chats, would there be a command like f1: and f2: for each rank up, or would you have to stick to that one chat? becuase if so then that would be terrible idea, but maybe I miss-read it or did not understand it clearly
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I think you should be able to assign individuals and groups to like F1 or something, if you could have some form of structure it would be handy. Having 10 members on at once and no structure in chat does irritate me, maybe you can assign certain ranks to certain chats and have those chats weigh out a certain city or district within your faction. And having everyone tied up to a general faction chat that will have to be moderated by officers and have this smaller chats for faction people to talk, roleplay, pvp or have chats for recruiting specific.

The question is; what do you guys see the most in a feature for faction chats? Do you want it more district like, rank like or have chats for general things like pvp RP and question which a person can of course ignore so RPers who are RPing don't have to hear the pvp stuff and people pvping won't have all the RP stuff. Or have it so recruits have a general chat for everyone f1 members officers and leader f2 and officers and leader f3.

I'm only giving suggestion where we all together have to build (give ideas) on to create a easier to moderate faction. Right now it's alright with a max of 10 people online, and a faction largness of 60 or something. If this expands the access command will get hard to set people to regions as the faction recruits more and moderates over more people. You can of course have a large officer base but I'm pretty sure they don't want to work 24/7 on recruiting giving access and working on players. They also want to build, pvp and RP. Expanding certain parts will give them an advantage on making it easier.

We could suggest of being able to give certain places on the faction ground access names like have something called Military or Market where you could assign people with /f access p/r/f [Place name]

Still only suggesting stuff, the community needs to decide what to get out of this, write what you like what you would like or what you wouldn't like or what you even would expand. You all make a part of suggestions, you all can come up with great ideas. (but keep this thread on ease of moderating large faction though :) )
 
unfortunely I think it might be a bit complaicated as for people who just join massivecraft already have troubles with the chat system it would even more confusing them, and only really the veterans would have the know how.
Unfortunely I don't really know what you are on about but from what I read it sounds like to good be a very good idea
 
TylerJG92 said:
I think you are well educated and have owned your own faction. I agree with everything you have stated.


+1

I want to see what some of the staff think, im going to tag some tech staff as well as some direction staff
@Cayorion @Madus @Thortuna @MonMarty
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I was summoned (BTW I never see a tag if made in an edit, so I didn't see this one)

SPOILER: This is only my own opinion and I can't promise anything.

The chat system sounds good but will probably be to hard to understand for most people, a better solution might be a party chat like option that is more flexible (like /fav is more flexible than faction member join message)

Access expansions yah +1

More ranks. What @krios41 said (/f title)

@ulumulu1510 talk on this.
 
I really like the idea of being able to see who has access to certain chunks in my faction since i dont want it to be griefed nobody except officers and leader can build. +1
 
Hmmm, my personal opinion in this, as I was summoned:

Faction chat:
I am unsure how hard to implement this really would be and if there wouldn't be a broader solution to the problem. Your basic idea is to have a chat feature which only targets certain players, I think such a feature would have to be talked and thought about alot. Your suggested idea is just the most obvious solution to ONE problem, but there might be another solution/implementation which solves multiple problems at once. More research needs to be done on that field.

Ranks:
Adding two more ranks would just be a quick solution to a bigger problem, which is a combination of your two last points. For now, I would suggest you to just use titles and be very restrictive with giving out membership to your faction.


Managing people better and giving them better access methodes than there currently are:
This is a fairly large project, because an obvious solution is again not the best one to implement.
Our Team would have to think about a well thought through solution, which is not as easy as just extending what we have right now. There might be a better and not so obvious solution, like creating an expansion, but who knows what the real solution will be.
 
As much as I'm inactive, I would think large faction chats would beyond benefit from this.
+1
 
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As for this idea: I love this idea in all it's forms. That said, the ability to give people custom ranks would be AWESOME.

ex:
/f rank c Regent
/f ability a Regent Invite
/f ability a Regent Kick
/f ability a Regent Promote Officer/Member

Something like that :P
 
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From my experience:

1 more rank would be awesome: A rank between officer and member would be a great zone for a member who has stuck around for a while, and wants to train to become an officer, or just have a few more beneficial perms.

The access idea is a must. It is hard to give access to a whole bunch of people. Also in addition to member ranks. maybe /f access ally

As for the faction chat. I think some form of officer chat should be added. For those people who don't use teamspeak (Which in my experience is too many). I do not see the need for many other chats. Maybe a faction broadcast, or some way that the officers and leaders words can stick out from the members and recruits. Leaders and Officers will have a much easier time switching between chat channels rather than a new recruit will.

Lastly, one big tool that faction leaders should be using is the forums. They should have a recruiting post, and a social forum. I remember back in Argonia. We communicated a lot of ideas to the members through the old faction forum system. I would imagine you could do the same through the social forums.
 
Would it work to have player defined permission groups? Either that or allow to apply a unique set of permissions to a specific player without having to use a rank to define it? Also, the ability to copy permission sets to use as a template would be useful if the custom permission groups were created. I feel that this would be preferable to just adding a few ranks to each faction in the sense that it would be longer lasting. However, I can also see the problem with it being more difficult to read or even to display the permission layout factions in a sane manner. I don't know about if this would cause extensive data file blowup, but that seemed like a potential issue with player defined ranks. Would any of the developers be able to confirm or deny any of those issues?

Although I think that the idea proposed by Jemo for expanding the access command functionality hits spot on as far as most people's complaints/issues with it.

On a related note, being able to set permissions for specific allies would be helpful.

@RDRJemo do you believe that this conflicts with any of your original intentions of the proposal?
 
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here is a list of Pro's and Con's that i can think of:

Pro's:
  1. It will allow factions to be able to set permissions better (due to the more ranks)
  2. It will allow factions to communicate better with each other, E.X. derp, leader of the faction derpington, holds a council meeting with his officers about the faction, none of them have mic's or skype or TS so they must communicate via chat. Derp has a channel with his officers so that only him and the officers can see the chat, allowing them to talk privatly about faction needs without being interrupted. (due to the chats)
  3. It will allow factions to allow access of the Entire faction to specific factions, players and/or ranks
Con's:
  1. it can potentialy make it harder for new people to rank up to a higher rank (for more ranks)
  2. there is a feeling that the lower faction members are being left out
  3. (i realy cant find a con for /f access idea)
 
Hold on I need to tag a staff because @Sami Glide went entire rating abuse, but rating stuff on old posts, rating stuff that doesn't have a opinion etc. @Ha5h can you look into this? Thanks

Also Wednessday, it will be up, my pro's and con's with some opinions of others
 
Sami Glide said:
*Contradict
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@TheTerrawr Pointed out this is increddibly rude to correct a person this way if the person is not grown up with the language.
First of all; I've been learning English in class for this is the third year, I already know Dutch and French. So I'm pretty sure this is just to piss me off.
Also I think a good way to correct a person would be; I think you mean 'Contradict', now you know if you happend to write it again :).
Either way I'm going to 'block' this thread for the useless shit that is happening on this, thus we can get back to this on wednessday when I've written this file.
Also, if you want to discuss use the private message please.
 
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calm down, if not this will lead to another flame war in your thread and @Ha5h will have the power to lock the thread due to too much flame. the rating system is there for us to express our opinion about what people say, and @Sami Glide has a right to express that opinion using the rating system. the previous flame and ratings were undone due to flame and abuse, the next stem with more flame is locking. i would suggest that you let @Ha5h or @Gethelp look into the ratings and let them decide if its abuse.
 
TylerJG92 said:
calm down, if not this will lead to another flame war in your thread and @Ha5h will have the power to lock the thread due to too much flame. the rating system is there for us to express our opinion about what people say, and @Sami Glide has a right to express that opinion using the rating system. the previous flame and ratings were undone due to flame and abuse, the next stem with more flame is locking. i would suggest that you let @Ha5h or @Gethelp look into the ratings and let them decide if its abuse.
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I'mma just close this[Wait you can't lock threads anymore as creator?], if anyone wants pros and cons than just private message me.
Thanks...
 
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