This is like an injured man telling a healthy man that he is in pain only to have the healthy person respond, "No, you're not. Look at it from my point of view."
No it isn't. Its like someone who touches a hot stove, gets hurt, and complains, then another person says, "Wear gloves." As I've said before, I live by my own ideologies here. I don't get offended easily, and that includes with sensitive topics such as this one.
And I should also mention that due to the nature of some of the ratings that Shawn is handing out to the people kissing up to his faults, I can't help but ponder whether or not he is, in all sincerity, sorry for this.
You think I'm kissing up to his faults? I already decided to no longer debate this whole thing in this thread, so if you want to argue about it or explain why I'm wrong, then do so in private conversation. Include everyone else who has an opinion. But if you really want to be better then the person who inadvertently gave offense and is now apologizing for it, then I suggest you try to be inoffensive yourself and NOT accuse the person of an insincere apology. I'm not offended by the "kissing up" crack, but there is still a whole lot you need to learn about people in general if you think they aren't going to hand out thank-you's to the people who stood up and supported them.
That's the problem. In cases of suicide, people often do not have control over themselves because they are not in a healthy state of mind.
And that right there is what it all comes down to. I can't really solve it. It doesn't stop Shawn from having a point, it doesn't invalidate any other point I've made...but it is the problem at the source of things. If we could cure that irrationality, there would probably not be any suicides in the first place. That said, I would guess....guess...that even potential suicide victims have some sense of rationality, meaning that they can be talked out of suicide. I'm typing with complete ignorance on that point, but it makes sense. And if it's true...then these arguments, when applied to a potential suicide victim, might work. At least temporarily.
Finally, to all you people hating on Shawn,
IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE OR HATE ON ANYONE, argue with or hate on me because I can and will defend every point of what I say. Shawn's apologizing. I'm saying he blasted well shouldn't have. He made an opinion, I've come to the same conclusion before, at a time before I looked at it from the suicide victim's point of view. I still say that suicide solves nothing positively, and that there is always a way out. And I still say that this whole thing was not meant to be offensive, and if I had said something like it I wouldn't have apologized for being offensive. But if you decide to take me up on this,
do it in private conversation because
an apology thread is no place to be arguing about this.
And no, none of this is meant to be offensive...and I will certainly not apologize for my words if someone thinks it is. And yes, I am less then in a nice 'lets sit down and talk about this' kind of disposition right now, due to the second post I replied to, and because people are still hating on Shawn rather then arguing the point with those people who are defending him.
I also request that Shawn requests that this thread be locked. It has served its purpose, and now people are using it as a debating thread about the rightness of his actions. That's pretty offensive right there.
