Deeply Sorry

[Shawn]

In the recent suicide thread "Don't Do It", I explained my view on suicide. I usually stray from the topic of suicide because my beliefs on it are just, way too stupid. Yet, my mind just thinks there is always a way to get out of it. It's just the way I feel. I offended many with my comments and I am just here to apologize. I didn't really want to post on the thread in the first place, but I did anyway. It was very stupid of me. My mind is very simple when it comes to suicide. I spoke to a friend on Massive, in which they tried explaining to me the holes in my beliefs. My brain just feels there is a way out of every corner in suicide. Which is why I resulted in saying suicide was stupid, because there is always a way out of it.

I was very wrong with what I said and I am just here to apologize. Sorry to those I offended. I'll be taking a break off the forums so you don't need to deal with me, and possibly calm down from my recent actions.

Deepest Apologies, Shawn

 

[Odimbus]

Before I say what I am going to say, I want you to know that, while I was uninvolved with this thread, I appreciate your apology, it is a very mature and responsible thing to do.

That being said... I feel as if apologies are becoming somewhat blown up; I don't believe that a transgression of this gravity (it wasn't really a huge deal, you are allowed to voice your opinions, and while again it shows maturity, you were by no means REQUIRED to apology) merits a general forum thread completely dedicated to it.

I think a couple PM's to whoever was offended would do the trick just fine.

 

[Suzzie]

I forgive you, Shawny boy. :>
@Shawn

 

[Shawn]

Before I say what I am going to say, I want you to know that, while I was uninvolved with this thread, I appreciate your apology, it is a very mature and responsible thing to do.

That being said... I feel as if apologies are becoming somewhat blown up; I don't believe that a transgression of this gravity (it wasn't really a huge deal, you are allowed to voice your opinions, and while again it shows maturity, you were by no means REQUIRED to apology) merits a general forum thread completely dedicated to it.

I think a couple PM's to whoever was offended would do the trick just fine.

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Thanks, and I just wanted to get this out to everyone. I did apologize to a few in pm.

 

[LadyTeddington]

Good job, bro. I forgive you.

 

[PatrickArrow]

In the recent suicide thread "Don't Do It", I explained my view on suicide. I usually stray from the topic of suicide because my beliefs on it are just, way too stupid. Yet, my mind just thinks there is always a way to get out of it. It's just the way I feel. I offended many with my comments and I am just here to apologize. I didn't really want to post on the thread in the first place, but I did anyway. It was very stupid of me. My mind is very simple when it comes to suicide. I spoke to a friend on Massive, in which they tried explaining to me the holes in my beliefs. My brain just feels there is a way out of every corner in suicide. Which is why I resulted in saying suicide was stupid, because there is always a way out of it.

I was very wrong with what I said and I am just here to apologize. Sorry to those I offended. I'll be taking a break off the forums so you don't need to deal with me, and possibly calm down from my recent actions.

Deepest Apologies, Shawn

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Eh just realise that is that persons /choice/ don't go running around saying this sort of stuff because in all honestly it just makes the person who is in that situation feel abnormal and probably points out that they are left of center or at least firments that idea in their head. Better to leave someone alone to think about it than to write fairly cheesy and already said statements against it.

 

[Cruallassar]

I will just say, offensive or not, your point did make sense. Although potentially offensive to some people, there is still...maybe not merit...but it is probably right, at least to someone who has never been in the situation and can look at it with the eyes of an outsider. I don't share the opinion of suicide being stupid, but that is more because I understand...with no personal experience, just a hyperactive imagination...the other point of view, but that is the only reason. Otherwise, I would agree.

So what I will say, even though this apology isn't meant for me, is what I've thought for a long time: The fear of being offensive, while sometimes a good thing, is entirely overblown, and really has no place in a truthful opinion of this sort. Which is a reason why I don't get offended easily...

To anyone who was offended, I urge you to look at things like this from the perspective from which they were intended. Suicide is no joking matter, and being offended at a joke would be right and fair. But in a truthful opinion that is not meant with offense remotely in mind, blunt as it was in this case, it really does make sense from that point of view, and should be treated as such. And that goes for this post of mine as well.

Now to abandon the apology thread that doesn't actually have anything to do with me, but served as convenient to try and make a point of my own...

 

[Macroreptilia]

Hey why are we saying that he posted this is good or not good? He freaking posted it. It's done. Don't comment on it, nothing can be changed. He apologized. That's it. Done. Goodnight.

 

[stardoll56301]

Hey why are we saying that he posted this is good or not good? He freaking posted it. It's done. Don't comment on it, nothing can be changed. He apologized. That's it. Done. Goodnight.

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Good night hug? Q-Q

 

[Sven_Tu]

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While I agree with what's said here, I must point out that I am doing so in a fairly normal state of mind.

I also feel compelled to point out that in a more depressive state of mind, none of that matters. Suffering from a mental illness like Depression can fill you with self-destructive paranoia. No matter how logically or rationally you try to look at things, no matter how right it may be and how much it makes sense, in that state of mind, you always dwell on the negativity. You don't have a choice, it simply comes up. And that is what's so dangerous with handling such an illness. It doesn't matter if something was said with good intentions or without offense in mind; if it can be interpreted in a bad way, it will.

Mind you, that doesn't mean these feelings are invalid. Even without mental illness, it's just as likely that such emotions are justified.

 

[Laach]

I'm just here because the other thread got locked.

Don't mind me...

 

[Cruallassar]

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And that is why I don't share the opinion of suicide being stupid. Mental problems complicate things to no end.

 

[Shawn]

And that is why I don't share the opinion of suicide being stupid. Mental problems complicate things to no end.

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I was stupid to put my opinion up. I usually stray from Mental talk.

 

[Suzzie]

I was stupid to put my opinion up. I usually stray from Mental talk.

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It's alright. Don't beat yourself over it sweetie.

 

[Cruallassar]

I was stupid to put my opinion up. I usually stray from Mental talk.

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No. You were not stupid to put your opinion up. Do not think for a second that you were stupid for putting up an opinion that not everyone agrees with.
Besides, it is an opinion that makes sense, for anyone who does not consider some elements that many people either don't, or can't, consider.

 

[Shawn]

No. You were not stupid to put your opinion up. Do not think for a second that you were stupid for putting up an opinion that not everyone agrees with.
Besides, it is an opinion that makes sense, for anyone who does not consider some elements that many people either don't, or can't, consider.

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This is true, yet it was starting too many conflicts. Trust me, already lost a few friends for it.

 

[Cruallassar]

This is true, yet it was starting too many conflicts. Trust me, already lost a few friends for it.

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Seems like a pretty stupid thing to lose friends over...just saying...

 

[Shawn]

Seems like a pretty stupid thing to lose friends over...just saying...

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I was also thinking that. Yet, arguing with them will help nothing.

 

[SorryNari]

I found what you said to be incredibly offensive towards me and several others since I do have a few friends who had problems, including my sister. I do realize it was your opinions, but some things are better left unsaid.

 

[Shawn]

I found what you said to be incredibly offensive towards me and several others since I do have a few friends who had problems, including my sister. I do realize it was your opinions, but some things are better left unsaid.

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Which is why I hesitated to reply. I apologized briefly to you beforehand. Which I am still sorry about.

 

[Odimbus]

I found what you said to be incredibly offensive towards me and several others since I do have a few friends who had problems, including my sister. I do realize it was your opinions, but some things are better left unsaid.

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DISCLAIMER: I did not see Shawn's post before it was apparently removed, so I say this without a full knowledge of what transpired.

I understand that you are the OP of the general thread that is the subject of this thread. While I have the utmost sympathies for your situation, your sister, and anyone else in this situation, when you create a big public thread like that, and voice an opinon, concern, or even a statement, you are publicly submitting your viewpoint to be questioned, challenge, disagreed with, etc.

From something as trivial to ice cream flavors to serious as this, unless you are comfortable seeing the opinions of others, no matter how harsh they are, you should never post an opinion like this in a public forum to be scrutinized. I realize you are passionate about the subject, and I respect you for that. However if you truly are passionate and concerned about this topic, you need to be willing to accept and understand others viewpoints, even if you disagree with them. Instead of rejecting them and claiming offense, argue your side, and show them why (you believe) they are wrong.


To quote my wise mother, "The first person to get angry in an argument loses."

 

[Cruallassar]

I found what you said to be incredibly offensive towards me and several others since I do have a few friends who had problems, including my sister. I do realize it was your opinions, but some things are better left unsaid.

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I will just say, offensive or not, your point did make sense. Although potentially offensive to some people, there is still...maybe not merit...but it is probably right, at least to someone who has never been in the situation and can look at it with the eyes of an outsider. I don't share the opinion of suicide being stupid, but that is more because I understand...with no personal experience, just a hyperactive imagination...the other point of view, but that is the only reason. Otherwise, I would agree.

So what I will say, even though this apology isn't meant for me, is what I've thought for a long time: The fear of being offensive, while sometimes a good thing, is entirely overblown, and really has no place in a truthful opinion of this sort. Which is a reason why I don't get offended easily...

To anyone who was offended, I urge you to look at things like this from the perspective from which they were intended. Suicide is no joking matter, and being offended at a joke would be right and fair. But in a truthful opinion that is not meant with offense remotely in mind, blunt as it was in this case, it really does make sense from that point of view, and should be treated as such. And that goes for this post of mine as well.

Now to abandon the apology thread that doesn't actually have anything to do with me, but served as convenient to try and make a point of my own...

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[Sven_Tu]

@Odimbus @Cruallassar I feel the both of you are looking at this the wrong way. How can I put this in words...

The fear of being offensive, while sometimes a good thing, is entirely overblown, and really has no place in a truthful opinion of this sort.

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...you need to be willing to accept and understand others viewpoints, even if you disagree with them....

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You're looking at this in the wrong context. This wasn't some random internet discussion about a casual topic. This was not a debate, not some kind of discussion that could be objectively argued from any and all sides. This was real. By which I mean whatever was said in that thread has real weight to the people affected. What was said was offensive and quite bluntly is the equivalent of telling someone it's their fault for suffering from something horrible.

Where such a topic is concerned, words do matter. Every little one of them.

In such a context, I'd have to agree with this:

I do realize it was your opinions, but some things are better left unsaid.

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[Magivore]

๖ۣۜI will have to say; Fallen and Sven are right. Words count in every matter. What is said sometimes truly can be stone, and stone isn't easy to break. However, I would still just accept his apology. Trust me, it is best to be neutral and and let it be than keep going with it further. Yes, some was better left unsaid; I think it kinda is time we just let this stop here, as it seems like arguments are beginning to form, as well as I am slowly choosing a side as well. The guy apologized, so I'll take it. After all, words matter here as well. Not only that, but the other thread was locked for a reason of everyone trailing different than what the poster intended. If anyone here is still feeling bad or depressed, shoot me a convo and I'll help you out as best I can. Either way, this sensitive topic probably shouldn't hold up any longer, as an apology for a wrongful suicide thread shouldn't just be the creator of a whole new argument. I'm heading out of here, even if you quote, disagree, or agree. We all best just leave this be. Only my suggestion, however.

 

[Cruallassar]

@Odimbus @Cruallassar I feel the both of you are looking at this the wrong way. How can I put this in words...


You're looking at this in the wrong context. This wasn't some random internet discussion about a casual topic. This was not a debate, not some kind of discussion that could be objectively argued from any and all sides. This was real. By which I mean whatever was said in that thread has real weight to the people affected. What was said was offensive and quite bluntly is the equivalent of telling someone it's their fault for suffering from something horrible.

Where such a topic is concerned, words do matter. Every little one of them.

In such a context, I'd have to agree with this:

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I think you may misunderstand what was said. This: "the equivalent of telling someone it's their fault for suffering from something horrible." Is nothing like what was said. That really would be offensive. It is rarely the person's own fault for suffering, and if that were said, I would be the last person to defend it. However that is not what was said. What was said was a simple opinion on the abstract concept of suicide. Enough said. I can't think of any situation where an opinion of that sort should be attacked for being offensive. Specific is one thing, this is quite another. Also, yes, the original thread probably was misunderstood, I personally understood it to be a general announcement against suicide. Others may have interpreted it differently. The point still stands, regardless of the original topic on the thread.
I realize words said cannot be unsaid. However I also don't know why these should have people wishing they were. Even real situations can be argued objectively, otherwise we wouldn't have politics. That said, in a real situation, things can be understood as offensive...although rarely, if argued in a fair and subjective manner...and again, this wasn't understood to be a real situation.

Finally, I will go ahead and post this, but I have seen that Chronicler has made an excellent point that he apologized, and now this is getting into a bit of a problematic debate. I am posting this because I don't want to waste typing, but I do think you offended people should just accept his sincere apology, stop being offended in the first place since he was obviously not trying to offend and all the reasons I stated earlier and don't want to restate, and abandon this thread as it has served its purpose. You want to debate me on this, start a private conversation. I live by my own ideology here, and so far, it has won me more friends then enemies.

 

[Odimbus]

Agreed. I will concede an 'agree to disagree', as I don't think any of us wish for this to blow out of proportion any further.

I would just like to again clarify something, before leaving: I was not arguing FOR Shawn's post, simply for his right to post in in a public forum in which another user has willing submitted an opinion.

Sigh, here I go again being a liar...

@Sven Tu , I fully understand that it was not a casual debate. My exact point was that, casual or not, when you submit a public opinion (and yes, it was an opinion. I even agreed with what he said, I am just playing devils advocate) you are surrendering your right to have said opinion NOT be, like I said, questioned, challenged, etc.

I fully understand that this was real, and meant to be an endearing shout out to the community. That being said, it WAS still an opinion. Meaning no offense to the OP of the thread of discussion, but you couldn't possibly touch such a sensitive and controversial issue without expecting arguement, discussion, and debate to arise.

There, I'm done. I promise. If anyone wishes to reply to me again and continue, I will of course welcome it on this thread or in PM, however all of my replies from here on out will be in PM.

 

[Sven_Tu]

I think you may misunderstand what was said. This: "the equivalent of telling someone it's their fault for suffering from something horrible." Is nothing like what was said. That really would be offensive. It is rarely the person's own fault for suffering, and if that were said, I would be the last person to defend it.

...stop being offended in the first place since he was obviously not trying to offend...

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EDIT: (Sorry, but I feel I shouldn't beat around the bush with this) To call an action stupid is to imply the same about the one who contemplates such action. If I recall, he also mentioned a loss of respect for the person who contemplated suicide. To someone who may be suffering, that's the same thing as saying it's their fault. I point to the post I made earlier, in regards to the quote above.

I apologize if this sounds arrogant but I reiterate my belief that no one truly understands just how bad it is to suffer from a mental illness unless they themselves have experienced it. It's hard to imagine that something as defining as the mind can become like this but alas.

I fully understand that this was real, and meant to be an endearing shout out to the community. That being said, it WAS still an opinion. Meaning no offense to the OP of the thread of discussion, but you couldn't possibly touch such a sensitive and controversial issue without expecting arguement, discussion, and debate to arise.

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Agreeable.

...I have seen that Chronicler has made an excellent point that he apologized, and now this is getting into a bit of a problematic debate.

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Unfortunately such things are always frustrating to deal with.

Cheers.

 

[MourningDoves]

Why can't we all shut up... -hopes she doesn't sound rude-

 

[Suzzie]

@Jaxin711 Excuse you, I'm entitled to an opinion to forgive people. There is nothing to disagree with my forgivingness. Be off with the disagree rating now, unless you want Shawn to beat himself up, if you really disagree.

 

[Percuriam]

-really furiously funny snippit-.

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And I am entitled to give a rating as I please. I disagree with your opinion, and there happens to conveniently be a 'disagree' rating. Thank you.

 

[Manatee_]

Hey. We all make mistakes. Sometimes we say or do stupid things. Forgiveness is important, though. It's letting go of the negative energy inside of you. Although I disagreed with what you said on the thread, I forgive you. I personally don't think you should beat yourself up for it. There /is/ a difference between feeling guilty and feeling like a bag of dung. We're all human. Mistakes are natural. And I'm not saying you should do that again. Remember this for next time, so you don't do things like that.

When I read things like that thread, I tend to not comment on them, because I know that whatever my opinion on the topic is, it can potentially be offensive to someone else.

I see a lot of people's points of view in this particular situation. But Shawn, don't worry. I forgive you, and forgiveness will come to you, I promise. Don't worry. Remember, don't beat yourself up, and I think it's really good that you apologized. If you ever want to talk just message me ingame or on forums.

-Goldy

<---tbh i was a bit hesitant to comment, so this is what i was like when replying. xD

and here's a kitten. The kitten says that everything will be okay and to not worry.

 

[Laach]

And I am entitled to give a rating as I please. I disagree with your opinion, and there happens to conveniently be a 'disagree' rating. Thank you.

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[Shawn]

And I am entitled to give a rating as I please. I disagree with your opinion, and there happens to conveniently be a 'disagree' rating. Thank you.

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Hm, let's see. Having an opinion, that's alright. Disagreeing on letting the person not beat themselves up over this, not okay. I understand what I said was offensive, even if it was an opinion. Yet, if this is going to turn into childish games, you will be definitely overreacting. Just going to hold this comment up V

Hey why are we saying that he posted this is good or not good? He freaking posted it. It's done. Don't comment on it, nothing can be changed. He apologized. That's it. Done. Goodnight.

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Also, Chrons V

๖ۣۜI will have to say; Fallen and Sven are right. Words count in every matter. What is said sometimes truly can be stone, and stone isn't easy to break. However, I would still just accept his apology. Trust me, it is best to be neutral and and let it be than keep going with it further. Either way, this sensitive topic probably shouldn't hold up any longer, as an apology for a wrongful suicide thread shouldn't just be the creator of a whole new argument.

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[Suzzie]

And I am entitled to give a rating as I please. I disagree with your opinion, and there happens to conveniently be a 'disagree' rating. Thank you.

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Well, you could actually give me a reason /why/. :V

 

[BlueWasp]

Great appology, but if people were really offended that you believe people have at least some control over themselves, in your shoes I would have just ignored them.
Sure there are little loop holes here and there, but that doesn't make it right to voice another's oppinion completely incorrect and blast it out of the water.

I try my best, and I hope everyone whom reads this will try to not be offended easily. We all have opinions, and it's not like a bitter reply will change them (it'll just help make them stronger depending on how they react or how rude you were to them).

I 'appogize' if you feel my post was rude, but I'm not just going to sit here while people scream offense at the slightest mistake.

In this long winded post, I have been blunt and that was my point. If you didn't read it all, then read this: Stop Being Babies.

EDIT: I completely understand the matter of suicide, as one of my siblings was somebody who almost did it. We have been friends long before that and are now. Please don't rage at my post because you feel like I'm being ignorant.

 

[Bouquet]

Great appology, but if people were really offended that you believe people have at least some control over themselves, in your shoes I would have just ignored them.
Sure there are little loop holes here and there, but that doesn't make it right to voice another's oppinion completely incorrect and blast it out of the water.

I try my best, and I hope everyone whom reads this will try to not be offended easily. We all have opinions, and it's not like a bitter reply will change them (it'll just help make them stronger depending on how they react or how rude you were to them).

I 'appogize' if you feel my post was rude, but I'm not just going to sit here while people scream offense at the slightest mistake.

In this long winded post, I have been blunt and that was my point. If you didn't read it all, then read this: Stop Being Babies.

EDIT: I completely understand the matter of suicide, as one of my siblings was somebody who almost did it. We have been friends long before that and are now. Please don't rage at my post because you feel like I'm being ignorant.

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What Shawn posted was not a mistake, it was a choice. Mistakes happen accidentally. Shawn decided to say what he did on that thread by his own free will, and even made several implications that he was fully aware that his words could, most likely would, and absolutely did upset and offend people. He had every option to keep his hurtful opinions to himself to begin with, but he did not. And now that people are deciding not to handle any of it and called him out, he's regretting it. Again, this was not just a simple "mistake", this happened deliberately, and there's more than enough proof to support that statement.

And clearly you don't "understand" how serious and sensitive of a topic suicide actually is if you're going to go around mindlessly telling people to "stop being babies" over this kind of issue. Try to at least seem a little more compassionate and truthful if you're going to claim you "know what it's like".

 

[Bouquet]

And I should also mention that due to the nature of some of the ratings that Shawn is handing out to the people kissing up to his faults, I can't help but ponder whether or not he is, in all sincerity, sorry for this.

 

[Sven_Tu]

...people have at least some control over themselves.

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That's the problem. In cases of suicide, people often do not have control over themselves because they are not in a healthy state of mind.

I 'appogize' if you feel my post was rude, but I'm not just going to sit here while people scream offense at the slightest mistake.

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In most cases, slight mistakes are trivial and can be easily forgotten. In others, however, they can have deep consequences. I'd argue that this was one of those cases.

Stop Being Babies

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...stop being offended in the first place since he was obviously not trying to offend....

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This is like an injured man telling a healthy man that he is in pain only to have the healthy person respond, "No, you're not. Look at it from my point of view."
@Kman113, would you have said that to your sibling? Do you think that would have made them feel better?

 

[Venger200]

@Vyi well said, I was about to post something alone the lines like that. The first one about having the choice to post. I completely agree.



I mean atleast he apologized in public. Meaning it or not, he still manned up a little and did it. Thank you for that.

 

[MetalMaxima]

@Shawn I offered an unpopular opinion on a post a little while ago where I was hated for it, You should say something with the full understanding, regardless of how little or big something is, it can and probably will offend someone. You just have to share opinions with that in mind. If you can't take criticism then don't say anything.