Archived [suggestion]give The Vampire Shriek Something

[Black_heart]

To any of you guys who think "ohhhh vampire bloodlust=op nerf pls" or think "vampire has skills shriek doesnt need anything" how would you like it if lets say they added fire touch to agni or tsunami on the water race but it did absolutely nothing.Being able to die with 2 hits of a wooden weapon or just staying in the sun too long is not fun,and i think if your gonna have a vampire race at least give the full package. sorry if i sound harsh just trying to get my point through

Im thinking of like anyone in a 5 or 4 block radius will get a wither poison effect or get disarmed,what do you think?

if you got any other ideas tell me yea? would love to hear it ^^[DOUBLEPOST=1367908869,1367908522][/DOUBLEPOST]or a blinding effect

 

[illogicalleaf314]

I know what they should add, they should make it do a ghast sound, and erupt smoke from your body at the same time, oh wait a second!

 

[Rooseus]

I guess you never met a vampire with diamond armor. Then the wooden stick does nothing.

 

[Black_heart]

yea im not gonna pay real money so i can wear diamond armor,also leaf what race are you?

 

[ozgho]

It is also supposed to have the side effect of being intimidating, but most LOLvamps are to stupid to use it on someone while unaware.

 

[Black_heart]

yea a ghast sound and smoke is really intimidating,i would sure run away from that

 

[ozgho]

yea a ghast sound and smoke is really intimidating,i would sure run away from that

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You can use it to redirect enemies, bait traps, you have to be creative.

And yes. If you are walking alone, at night, and hear ghast shriek, you're going to look around frantically, look for a wood weapon, and if you're also not stupid, run.

 

[Black_heart]

honestly i feel that shrieking is just saying "hey look at me im a vampire use wood hurry" i honestly wouldnt mind a blinding effect

 

[illogicalleaf314]

yea a ghast sound and smoke is really intimidating,i would sure run away from that

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Do you know what RP is? RP is not "Oh lol, a vampire nearby, I have 10 more levels than him and his ability doesn't actually kill me, so I don't have to be scared."

 

[Black_heart]

Do you know what RP is? RP is not "Oh lol, a vampire nearby, I have 10 more levels than him and his ability doesn't actually kill me, so I don't have to be scared."

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yea but wouldnt a blinding effect or in fact any effect increase the fun in RP? it would be like if your in a small block radius you would be "feared" no?[DOUBLEPOST=1367910294,1367910253][/DOUBLEPOST]so in RP you wouldnt have to be like "oh no im so scared" you would really be "scared" due to effects[DOUBLEPOST=1367910438][/DOUBLEPOST]and the shriek does have a cooldown so you cant spam it

 

[Overlordqwerty]

yea but wouldnt a blinding effect or in fact any effect increase the fun in RP? it would be like if your in a small block radius you would be "feared" no?[DOUBLEPOST=1367910294,1367910253][/DOUBLEPOST]so in RP you wouldnt have to be like "oh no im so scared" you would really be "scared" due to effects[DOUBLEPOST=1367910438][/DOUBLEPOST]and the shriek does have a cooldown so you cant spam it

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First off I want to make one thing clear, vampires are not a race separate to humans. They just are infected.

Giving shriek an effect would not be good. It is meant for RP. It does not need an effect. If you have never seen a video of some of the better pvpers on this server fighting as vamps you will notice sticks don't effect them much. Perhaps if sharding removes significant amounts of lag so vampires will actually be hit able, then they may need another ability to balance them. It would be better to wait and see what effect sharding has on the lag and the difficulty of hitting vampires before anything is suggested about them or and changes made to them.

 

[TechPac]

I guess you never met a vampire with diamond armor. Then the wooden stick does nothing.

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Actually i find they still die quite easily, espeacially against someone with high mcmmo and a wood sword or axe[DOUBLEPOST=1367917994,1367917948][/DOUBLEPOST]

Actually i find they still die quite easily, espeacially against someone with high mcmmo and a wood sword or axe

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Personally i dont like the fact that its the ghast sound that they make, vampires are known for hissing so why not change it to a creeper hiss instead. And Ditch the black smoke so people cant tell where its being emited from so its less obvious who is a vampire.

 

[Black_heart]

First off I want to make one thing clear, vampires are not a race separate to humans. They just are infected.

Giving shriek an effect would not be good. It is meant for RP. It does not need an effect. If you have never seen a video of some of the better pvpers on this server fighting as vamps you will notice sticks don't effect them much. Perhaps if sharding removes significant amounts of lag so vampires will actually be hit able, then they may need another ability to balance them. It would be better to wait and see what effect sharding has on the lag and the difficulty of hitting vampires before anything is suggested about them or and changes made to them.

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As i said i know its for RP,but adding the effects like blindness or slowness or weakness make the the more fun for the RP,so you wouldnt have to pretend your scared or slowed,you would actually be slowed,imo its like a warcry,strike fear in the hearts so it should have like a weakness effect.

Actually i find they still die quite easily,
Personally i dont like the fact that its the ghast sound that they make, vampires are known for hissing so why not change it to a creeper hiss instead. And Ditch the black smoke so people cant tell where its being emited from so its less obvious who is a vampire.

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good point,hope they change that

 

[iBeSlurping]

Even though Iam a Vampire I would say let's NOT NERF them for further or do.
Because if people keep suggesting "EVERYTHING" One day "maybe" the admin would have to take away our only weapon...
BloodLust...

 

[TechPac]

Even though Iam a Vampire I would say let's NOT NERF them for further or do.
Because if people keep suggesting "EVERYTHING" One day "maybe" the admin would have to take away our only weapon...
BloodLust...

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If they took away bloodlust, they would probably take away the vast amount of wood damage, they wouldnt leave it unbalanced like that :/

 

[MrHappyTinkles]

Vampirism is a curse, not a boon. If anything, they should nerf bloodlust so that it drains blood extremely quickly and has a cooldown time of 30 minutes. It should be more for roleplaying purposes.

It is not your only weapon. If you claim it is, then you suck at fighting and have to rely on some power to keep you alive.

 

[iBeSlurping]

If they took away bloodlust, they would probably take away the vast amount of wood damage, they wouldnt leave it unbalanced like that :/

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But STILL BloodLust is the only reason I used for Non-premium pvp perpose[DOUBLEPOST=1367918648,1367918636][/DOUBLEPOST]purpose#

 

[Overlordqwerty]

As i said i know its for RP,but adding the effects like blindness or slowness or weakness make the the more fun for the RP,so you wouldnt have to pretend your scared or slowed,you would actually be slowed,imo its like a warcry,strike fear in the hearts so it should have like a weakness effect.
good point,hope they change that

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Actually i find they still die quite easily, espeacially against someone with high mcmmo and a wood sword or axe[DOUBLEPOST=1367917994,1367917948][/DOUBLEPOST]
Personally i dont like the fact that its the ghast sound that they make, vampires are known for hissing so why not change it to a creeper hiss instead. And Ditch the black smoke so people cant tell where its being emited from so its less obvious who is a vampire.

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Perhaps they could just change it so vampires can make an assortment of hostile mob noises each with a different command. Then you could imitate as skeleton, shoot an arrow at the target, wait for them to come and kill what they believe to be a skeleton, then ambush them.


Anyway, I still believe adding this would be OP, many vampire hunters RP that they are not afraid of vampires, a noise does not make you blind (well, some noises can confuse you but screeching isn't on of them). Its all about RP, this is a RP server. So no, I do not thing adding blindness (and other stuff) to shriek would improve the RP of vampires and people who RP with them.

 

[Black_heart]

What part of "having a weakness or slow effect to shriek adds a more roleplay"do you guys not get? lets say your roleplaying with a vampire, he shrieks, you go oh no im slowed or oh no a battle cry im weak but instead it still the same and its just pretending,now imagine if the shriek really did a slow or a weak,wouldnt that make rp more fun? FUUUUUUUUUN IS FUUUUUUUUUUN, also if there are any of you who think no cause they will spam it the thing is a 30 sec cooldown. Also bloodlust uses blood really fast,and if they nerf bloodlust to only be used every 30 mins,like is the wood and sunlight not enough? not to mention you can splash holy water around you which makes it even harder,and its not that hard to make holy water at all[DOUBLEPOST=1367919174,1367919025][/DOUBLEPOST]

Perhaps they could just change it so vampires can make an assortment of hostile mob noises each with a different command. Then you could imitate as skeleton, shoot an arrow at the target, wait for them to come and kill what they believe to be a skeleton, then ambush them.


Anyway, I still believe adding this would be OP, many vampire hunters RP that they are not afraid of vampires, a noise does not make you blind (well, some noises can confuse you but screeching isn't on of them). Its all about RP, this is a RP server. So no, I do not thing adding blindness (and other stuff) to shriek would improve the RP of vampires and people who RP with them.

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if not blindness then weakness or slow? imagine if you had a vampire in front of your face shrieking,your telling me you would be stone cold facing him like nothing happend? or if there was a loud noise in real life like someone blew a airhorn in your face your telling me you wont cup your ears or move back away from the noise?

 

[TechPac]

What part of "having a weakness or slow effect to shriek adds a more roleplay"do you guys not get? lets say your roleplaying with a vampire, he shrieks, you go oh no im slowed or oh no a battle cry im weak but instead it still the same and its just pretending,now imagine if the shriek really did a slow or a weak,wouldnt that make rp more fun? FUUUUUUUUUN IS FUUUUUUUUUUN, also if there are any of you who think no cause they will spam it the thing is a 30 sec cooldown. Also bloodlust uses blood really fast,and if they nerf bloodlust to only be used every 30 mins,like is the wood and sunlight not enough? not to mention you can splash holy water around you which makes it even harder,and its not that hard to make holy water at all[DOUBLEPOST=1367919174,1367919025][/DOUBLEPOST]
if not blindness then weakness or slow? imagine if you had a vampire in front of your face shrieking,your telling me you would be stone cold facing him like nothing happend? or if there was a loud noise in real life like someone blew a airhorn in your face your telling me you wont cup your ears or move back away from the noise?

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No one said they were making it to where bloodlust could only be used every 30 mins?
But you do have a point about the shrieking, but that simply does not scare some people, if someone wants to RP being terrified of that then thats their choice.

 

[Shawzie]

* The Wild Vampire Has appeared somehow your scared of its shriek even though you can 1 shot them with a stick*

 

[Overlordqwerty]

* The Wild Vampire Has appeared somehow your scared of its shriek even though you can 1 shot them with a stick*

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A wild vampire has appeared
Go player
Vampire uses shriek
player's attack is lowered
Player's used wooden stick
Its super effective
Vampire has no HP left
Player wins
Player gets vampires items for winning



Pretty much what happens when an average unarmored/ lightly armoured vampire attacks[DOUBLEPOST=1367922378,1367922189][/DOUBLEPOST]

What part of "having a weakness or slow effect to shriek adds a more roleplay"do you guys not get? lets say your roleplaying with a vampire, he shrieks, you go oh no im slowed or oh no a battle cry im weak but instead it still the same and its just pretending,now imagine if the shriek really did a slow or a weak,wouldnt that make rp more fun? FUUUUUUUUUN IS FUUUUUUUUUUN,

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Other than the fact FUUUUUUUUUN and FUUUUUUUUUUN are not the same due to having a different number of Us, this is all your opinion. This is the internet, do not expect people to agree with you.

 

[gridiron1024]

Vampires are already too overpowered, and have a nerf coming in their future, why would they get another combat related power?

 

[TechPac]

Vampires are already t

Vampires are already too overpowered, and have a nerf coming in their future, why would they get another combat related power?

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overpowered, and have a nerf coming in their future, why would they get another combat related power?

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If you think about it, its not that over powered. Say you took 2 average players, no mcmmo, perhaps one is a premium, none of them have enchants, lets say the vampire is premium. You take the full iron human and pit him against the full dimond vampire, more times then not from what ive seen, the human would win. So why is this an issue? Its because mcmmo and lag, mcmmo makes people OP as is, yes its a fun thing to have and very useful but it can get in the way of certain things like vampirism. with mcmmo and god enchants(and apples) it makes the frail but deadly vampire into a nearly invincible killing machine able to kill the average player with 5 hits or less. the real problem is the unbalanced mcmmo which can only be handled by the creator of that pluggin (aka not cayorian or the massive admin) so that would need to be discussed with them on their site, vampires really are not that much of a problem but outside factors that come in and domino effects the situation. And as for the lag part of my argument, thats obvious about its ways to effect it and is being delt with so theres no need to discuss it.

 

[Black_heart]

* The Wild Vampire Has appeared somehow your scared of its shriek even though you can 1 shot them with a stick*

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This guy is a genius

If you think about it, its not that over powered. Say you took 2 average players, no mcmmo, perhaps one is a premium, none of them have enchants, lets say the vampire is premium. You take the full iron human and pit him against the full dimond vampire, more times then not from what ive seen, the human would win. So why is this an issue? Its because mcmmo and lag, mcmmo makes people OP as is, yes its a fun thing to have and very useful but it can get in the way of certain things like vampirism. with mcmmo and god enchants(and apples) it makes the frail but deadly vampire into a nearly invincible killing machine able to kill the average player with 5 hits or less. the real problem is the unbalanced mcmmo which can only be handled by the creator of that pluggin (aka not cayorian or the massive admin) so that would need to be discussed with them on their site, vampires really are not that much of a problem but outside factors that come in and domino effects the situation. And as for the lag part of my argument, thats obvious about its ways to effect it and is being delt with so theres no need to discuss it.

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agreed[DOUBLEPOST=1367924364,1367924058][/DOUBLEPOST]A wild vampire has appeared
Go player
Vampire uses shriek
Player says "omg your a vampire pls make me vampire plsplsplsplspls"
Player used annoy
Its super effective
Vampire has no patience left
Player gets infected
Player gets vampire

 

[gridiron1024]

If you think about it, its not that over powered. Say you took 2 average players, no mcmmo, perhaps one is a premium, none of them have enchants, lets say the vampire is premium. You take the full iron human and pit him against the full dimond vampire, more times then not from what ive seen, the human would win. So why is this an issue? Its because mcmmo and lag, mcmmo makes people OP as is, yes its a fun thing to have and very useful but it can get in the way of certain things like vampirism. with mcmmo and god enchants(and apples) it makes the frail but deadly vampire into a nearly invincible killing machine able to kill the average player with 5 hits or less. the real problem is the unbalanced mcmmo which can only be handled by the creator of that pluggin (aka not cayorian or the massive admin) so that would need to be discussed with them on their site, vampires really are not that much of a problem but outside factors that come in and domino effects the situation. And as for the lag part of my argument, thats obvious about its ways to effect it and is being delt with so theres no need to discuss it.

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I think if that if it is player with wood vs noob vampire, the player will win because the vampire is not a very smart fighter and tried to tank it. For anyone who was at the battle of dreaded dusk, there were some very good pvpers who chose to ditch vampirism. Although they had outstanding McMmo, they still got slaughtered by the vampires, and stood almost no chance at getting a single kill.

 

[Overlordqwerty]

This guy is a genius

agreed[DOUBLEPOST=1367924364,1367924058][/DOUBLEPOST]A wild vampire has appeared
Go player
Vampire uses shriek
Player says "omg your a vampire pls make me vampire plsplsplsplspls"
Player used annoy
Its super effective
Vampire has no patience left
Player gets infected
Player gets vampire

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Actually it would be go noob not go player

 

[Leon Vill]

A wild VAMPIRE has appeared!
GO! Player!
VAMPIRE used SELLING INFECTION!
It's not very effective...
Player used TOO MANY VAMPS!
It's super effective!
*Dee doo dee doo* VAMPIRE uses DON'T CARE!
It's super effective!
Player has fainted.
GO! Nooblet!
Nooblet used INFECTMEINFCTMEINFECTME!
VAMPIRE ran away...

 

[Kapry]

I really like this suggestion. But here is my improvement. Shriek shouldn't just add an effect, it should kill players in a radius of 10 blocks instantly, if they are no vampires.
***sarcasm off***
But seriously, if shriek would add an effect on players around the vampire, there would be some trolls, chasing you all day long in Regalia. Trust me, there would be.
And how would you feel, if some noob would run after you all day long in Regalia adding a sloweness effect on you? You would be annoyed, because in Regalia you couldn't punch his face.

 

[Black_heart]

I really like this suggestion. But here is my improvement. Shriek shouldn't just add an effect, it should kill players in a radius of 10 blocks instantly, if they are no vampires.
***sarcasm off***
But seriously, if shriek would add an effect on players around the vampire, there would be some trolls, chasing you all day long in Regalia. Trust me, there would be.
And how would you feel, if some noob would run after you all day long in Regalia adding a sloweness effect on you? You would be annoyed, because in Regalia you couldn't punch his face.

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Why not weakness then?

 

[jemoeder2021]

Ever saw a vampire movie... It looks like a gift to me

 

[Kapry]

Why not weakness then?

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Too op in combat.

 

[Black_heart]

Too op in combat.

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then dying from 2 hits of a wooden item is not? 5 secs of weakness every 30 secs isnt that op

 

[ChrisVenom]

Im thinking of like anyone in a 5 or 4 block radius will get a wither poison effect or get disarmed,what do you think?
if you got any other ideas tell me yea? would love to hear it ^^[DOUBLEPOST=1367908869,1367908522][/DOUBLEPOST]or a blinding effect

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No ... Just no.. Because shrieking really poisons you in real life, because shrieking really makes you drop what your holding.

 

[Kapry]

then dying from 2 hits of a wooden item is not? 5 secs of weakness every 30 secs isnt that op

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Its 1 hit, if the vampire is naked and more than 3 hits, if he wears iron armor.
And a vampire in god armor with a few potions is nearly invincible.
Do you really want these killing machines to have another ability they can use against you?

 

[Black_heart]

Its 1 hit, if the vampire is naked and more than 3 hits, if he wears iron armor.
And a vampire in god armor with a few potions is nearly invincible.
Do you really want these killing machines to have another ability they can use against you?

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you do know vampire s die from water too right? and your saying a vampire with god amor and potions is invincible but do you know how hard it is to get god armor? plus you need to pay to wear diamond so now this server is just pay to win?not every vampire has that credit card to pay,even if we had free god armor water goes through the armor

 

[ozgho]

you do know vampire s die from water too right? and your saying a vampire with god amor and potions is invincible but do you know how hard it is to get god armor? plus you need to pay to wear diamond so now this server is just pay to win?not every vampire has that credit card to pay,even if we had free god armor water goes through the armor

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Now you're just making X,Y,Z complaints. That's the reason holy water exists, so non-vamps can take down these god armored vampires, and even then we have the chore of actually hitting them.

 

[Shawzie]

No ... Just no.. Because shrieking really poisons you in real life, because shrieking really makes you drop what your holding.

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Acc if I heard a girl scream I'd drop whatever I had and I'd run the opposite direction of the scream

 

[Black_heart]

Now you're just making X,Y,Z complaints. That's the reason holy water exists, so non-vamps can take down these god armored vampires, and even then we have the chore of actually hitting them.

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No what im trying to say is that not all vampires are godly armord,you know how hard it is to get god armor?even if they had god armor it would only iron cause diamond is for premium,you say vampires are op due to the armor like as if we get a free set of god armor or 500 exp to enchant once you turn into a vampire[DOUBLEPOST=1367947010,1367947004][/DOUBLEPOST]

Now you're just making X,Y,Z complaints. That's the reason holy water exists, so non-vamps can take down these god armored vampires, and even then we have the chore of actually hitting them.

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No what im trying to say is that not all vampires are godly armord,you know how hard it is to get god armor?even if they had god armor it would only iron cause diamond is for premium,you say vampires are op due to the armor like as if we get a free set of god armor or 500 exp to enchant once you turn into a vampire

 

[Kapry]

Then instead of suggesting to make the war machines even more effecitve killers, you rather should suggest diamond armor for non premiums. (Which has by the way been suggested many times and was rejected.)
Right now nearly nobody here supports/likes your suggestion.