Archived [suggestion] Better Rp

[XxXYaJrAbXxX]

I was thinking, if there was an event you could type /rp and it would take you into a Roleplay universe. This will then allow you not to be seen to people who are not in the roleplay universe and vice versa, When you die in the Roleplay universe you will be took out and will have a cooldown of an hour. This should then stop Meta Gaming as they can't see you and you can't see them and will not be in the same chat either.

 

[celticwitch]

I disagree. The rp we have is perfectly fine.

 

[SilverAlbatross]

Just ignore people OOC and carry on. For example, if someone talks about guns be like "What's a gun? -Sigh- Why do they let crazy people walk the streets..."
The idea is for you to drag them back in time to RP in a medieval setting, rather than go forward in time to be like "GTFO n00b". An extra world isn't needed, just people to stop taking notice of people going OOC and playing along.

 

[XxXYaJrAbXxX]

The point I am trying to get across is the fact that we could roleplay and kill a guy and he would come back when the server rules state that he/she cant come back for 1 hour. With this at least they have no chance of coming back in that time and also if people do not want to join in then they will not be there so you cannot get confused. Last time I did a proper roleplay was when the Crimsons inquisition was setting up checkpoints and ulumulu1510 banned 3 or 4 people for metagaming.

 

[Kestenator]

If you want a proper roleplay, stroll through Regalia and search for one. There is usually one at the Emperor's Tavern.

 

[SilverAlbatross]

People should just remember that this is an RP server. Also, when you die in-game, your character doesn't usually die automatically. They just say they were critically injured or hiding for a minute. An hour's wait for RPing is too much, as with any penalty. If you fall on a cactus or a skeleton snipes you after you fall off your castle, it's not your fault, is it?

 

[XxXYaJrAbXxX]

People should just remember that this is an RP server. Also, when you die in-game, your character doesn't usually die automatically. They just say they were critically injured or hiding for a minute. An hour's wait for RPing is too much, as with any penalty. If you fall on a cactus or a skeleton snipes you after you fall off your castle, it's not your fault, is it?

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Ask a member of staff about it but from what I know that if you die in game and come back then you are metagaming.

 

[SilverAlbatross]

Ask a member of staff about it but from what I know that if you die in game and come back then you are metagaming.

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From Wikipedia;
Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game

Correct me if I'm wrong, but coming back after you die in game can be reasoned with in many ways, including the fact that you respawn making it a non-permanent death automatically, meaning the player was possibly just harmed badly. Dying in a raid or battle doesn't necessarily mean your character is dead.

 

[ulumulu1510]

From Wikipedia;
Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game

Correct me if I'm wrong, but coming back after you die in game can be reasoned with in many ways, including the fact that you respawn making it a non-permanent death automatically, meaning the player was possibly just harmed badly. Dying in a raid or battle doesn't necessarily mean your character is dead.

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Cannot be reasoned within a way that is appropriate to roleplay. Say I kill your character in a good, formal RP it is not possible to ""get back"" just a minute after that. It is maybe possible that you can say that the character got heavily wounded and appears after a day or two (which is an hour in real time approximately), but everything else is stated as not possible. Magic that resurrects you is not possible (including totems and shit), being unfunreable is god-rping and using the the explenation "I am here, I am not death" is poor as hell...

Dyeing in minecraft is not necessarily character death. Raids and accidents can be counted as getting wounded and such, but getting beaten in a serious roleplay situation is a character death in most of the cases (or heavily wounded which has the above stated consequences).
Raids can be seen as a non-personal RP, you act as someone on the battlefield and that is ok. But if you are there in character, the above stated case hapens.

To the OP:
Well, we won't add that. The whole purpose of the Medieval universe is to roleplay, we do not need to add in another state or form to RP. Sure, people who don't Rp are annoying but we simply have to deal with it. We all should encourage those people to get intouch with the lore and the whole roleplaying a bit more, but everyone has a start...

 

[Waminer]

ulumulu1510 banned 3 or 4 people for metagaming.

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Wait perma-banned?

 

[favoured]

Probably not, that would be a bit extreme....

 

[justin5191]

Probably not, that would be a bit extreme....

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Would it really?

 

[favoured]

Permanently banning a person for meta-gaming without warning or second chances is extreme in my opinion. If they aren't purposely trolling, I don't think they should be banned at all. Mute probably, or maybe a jail, but a ban? No way.

 

[justin5191]

Permanently banning a person for meta-gaming without warning or second chances is extreme in my opinion. If they aren't purposely trolling, I don't think they should be banned at all. Mute probably, or maybe a jail, but a ban? No way.

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Maybe not a perm ban, but at least a ban for several days.

 

[favoured]

I fail to see why you would need a ban when a mute or jail would be sufficient for a incident of metagaming, or maybe just a warning.

 

[justin5191]

I fail to see why you would need a ban when a mute or jail would be sufficient for a incident of metagaming, or maybe just a warning.

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Because it is completely uncalled for on a role play server. Also doing this can ruin the game play experience for other players and will give you an unfair advantage in role playing. For these reasons I see this as a breakage of the rules, since you are doing something to harm the quality of play for other and giving yourself an advantage similar to using a hacked client.

 

[favoured]

You're ignoring that this is roleplay, an area of the server where you could simply pretend that the person who's metagaming doesn't exist. Roleplay is an act of the imagination, simply imagine he or she's not there and ignore them. Get a mod or admin to warn or mute them, but nothing more is needed.

 

[justin5191]

You're ignoring that this is roleplay, an area of the server where you could simply pretend that the person who's metagaming doesn't exist. Roleplay is an act of the imagination, simply imagine he or she's not there and ignore them. Get a mod or admin to warn or mute them, but nothing more is needed.

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By this logic we could all just simply ignore that x-rayers exist....

 

[Overlordqwerty]

By this logic we could all just simply ignore that x-rayers exist....

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x-rayers cheat to find diamonds and then sell them for a low price to get silver or use them and save silver. They are giving them self an unfair advantage, meta gamers are just annoying but if you ignore them then the meta gaming gives them no advantage, however if you ignore a x-rayer or hacker of any kind they will continue to hack and still have an advantage over you.

 

[favoured]

Actually no, as roleplay is a course of action that takes place over words and the imagination. What if you /ignored the metagamer? What would happen then? Technically, the metagamer would cease to exist in your roleplay. However, a x-rayer cannot simply "disappear" except if you ban them. If you ignore what he is doing, he will still exist.

 

[justin5191]

I fail to see how meta-gaming doen't give a player an advantage, but I do understand what you are saying about just ignoring them. While this is fine to do and it does solves the problem for you, that same player can go and do the same thing to another play still.

 

[favoured]

At which point the admin mutes or jails them, and gives them a warning not to do it again. If that player continues, he becomes a troll and thus will get banned. That is my reasoning in this case.

 

[justin5191]

x-rayers cheat to find diamonds and then sell them for a low price to get silver or use them and save silver. They are giving them self an unfair advantage, meta gamers are just annoying but if you ignore them then the meta gaming gives them no advantage, however if you ignore a x-rayer or hacker of any kind they will continue to hack and still have an advantage over you.

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If you ignore roleplay then you are right roleplay will not affect you, but the same goes for the other aspects of the game. If I choose to ignore the pvp aspect of the game and someone uses some sort of pvp hack then that person does not really affect me, but should that person not be banned? I think that even if that person doesn't affect me they could affect others and for that reason they should be banned.

 

[Overlordqwerty]

If you ignore roleplay then you are right roleplay will not affect you, but the same goes for the other aspects of the game. If I choose to ignore the pvp aspect of the game and someone uses some sort of pvp hack then that person does not really affect me, but should that person not be banned? I think that even if that person doesn't affect me they could affect others and for that reason they should be banned.

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I'll have 2 questions for you.

Imaging you are pvping and someone is used hacks. Because of this you ignore them. What can they do?

Imaging you are RPing and someone is meta game. Because of this you ignore them (using the /ignore command). What can they do?

 

[justin5191]

I'll have 2 questions for you.

Imaging you are pvping and someone is used hacks. Because of this you ignore them. What can they do?

Imaging you are RPing and someone is meta game. Because of this you ignore them (using the /ignore command). What can they do?

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In both instances the answer is the same, and I have already outlined the answers in my previous comments.

 

[favoured]

What about my response ? No one seems to be responding to it.

 

[justin5191]

What about my response ? No one seems to be responding to it.

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Well I see no problem with your response really.

 

[Overlordqwerty]

In both instances the answer is the same, and I have already outlined the answers in my previous comments.

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so what you are saying is if you are RPing and someone starts meta gaming you can ignore them and if you are pvping and someone starts hacking you can also ignore them. I'm sorry to say, but if you ignore a pvp hacker they will probably still kill you.[DOUBLEPOST=1368581425,1368581183][/DOUBLEPOST]The main reason I'm disagreeing with you treating hackers and meta gamers the same is because basically all hackers know its wrong, while most meta gamers are noobs who know no better. If someone is clearly meta gaming to troll then yes, they should be treated just like a hacker would be.

 

[Golemlord]

so what you are saying is if you are RPing and someone starts meta gaming you can ignore them and if you are pvping and someone starts hacking you can also ignore them. I'm sorry to say, but if you ignore a pvp hacker they will probably still kill you.[DOUBLEPOST=1368581425,1368581183][/DOUBLEPOST]The main reason I'm disagreeing with you treating hackers and meta gamers the same is because basically all hackers know its wrong, while most meta gamers are noobs who know no better. If someone is clearly meta gaming to troll then yes, they should be treated just like a hacker would be.

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I agree, there was a guy at the emperors tavern who seemed to be doing serious roleplay, he was incredibly into it, except he was doing so many ridiculous things. Here are some of the things he said (these are not verbatim, I'm just recalling what he said from memory.))

-uses ancient magic not seen in thousands of years-
-summons water and drowns everybody-
-tears [insert player name]'s arm off-
-traps [insert player name] in a magical bubble forcefield-
-"I am a shapeshifter, I can transform into anything."

Pretty much everything he did was meta-gaming or OP, but he seemed to have no idea. He was battling/talking to an equally OP individual, who was this immortal combat master vampire who was killed like 20 times during the fight, and yet he still walked. (granted every death was by the other guy, and this vampire was never given chances to react)
However these guys seemed to have no idea what they were doing, and it seemed to be derived more from ignorance than anything else. We have to realize that many noobs will play on the server for up to a week or two before they discover the forums, and learn about OP and meta-gaming characters, so they simply don't know. In my situation, I simply pretended they weren't there, and went about my business. (I made an attempt to private message one of them, and explain what he was doing, but he never responded, whether he just didn't care or didn't see, I am unsure.)