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Mecharic

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I'm going to start this out by stating that the following is an opinion, and that I'm sure there will be others who disagree. That's fine, and you can give your reasons for disagreeing, but please do not start any flame wars or other such conflicts in this thread.

I, personally, have never considered my donations to be payment for perks. I've always considered it paying for the server itself, and everything and everyone on it. Premium for me costs $8 ever month, the same as my Amazon Prime subscription and less than what I make in an hour. It's not that big a deal for me to spare some money to support the only Minecraft server I've ever played on for any duration of time. Others may disagree, but I feel that the perks we get on MassiveCraft, by playing not by paying, are well worth $8 a month. Because I don't actually have time to write a paragraph on each point, here's a brief bulleted list of stuff MassiveCraft offers that's worth $8 a month:
  • Factions - The factions plugin is native to this server, and thus gets more updates and better updates than other servers can lay claim to.
  • Community - Lets be honest, the community ain't perfect - but it's a lot better than many other servers I've logged on to.
  • Staff - MassiveCraft's staff may be 'just people' but they're awesome people. Other servers I've been on either don't have enough staff or have corrupt staff with a pay-to-rule system, and I can't stand those.
  • Worlds - All these custom worlds, all these custom Bio2's & 3's, all these amazing spawn towns...
  • Lore - That's a lot of words right there, and it took ages to craft that out of the old "SilverEdge is awesome" lore we used to have.
  • PvP - I'm sure some PvPers will disagree, but MassiveCraft has a very interesting PvP setup overall, with many different plugins and features that keep it dynamic and unique.
  • Roleplay - Hot damn but do they have some glorious places for roleplay. And a large community too.
  • Stability - I've been on other servers before. Not all of them can claim to have run as long as Massive, or be as stable as Massive. It's a 'safe' server, insofar as future existence is concerned.
  • Balance - Different communities are fairly well balanced overall, with no one group having absolute power over the server and it's choices.
And of course we have a very, very important factor to add to this: time & effort. How much time have you put into this server? How many hours of darkrooming, mining, crafting characters, producing armor, gathering resources, making friends, making enemies, and building up your position on this server have you made? I've been here for over 4 years, and have put in more hours than I care to count. If you stop donating, even if you don't stop playing, the server probably won't be able to pay for itself. And if the server can't pay for itself it shuts down and all of that work, those hours darkrooming and training, those days of building awesome bases and giant cities, those years of slowly fine tuning your character into an actual person... all of that goes away the moment the server stops running.

All of the Minecraft Servers will be equally hit by the EULA. Most of them will probably shut down, unable to fund themselves. Others may become pay-t0-play servers. MassiveCraft is going to try to tread that line between shutting down and forcing people to pay, and it will be relying on you as a premium member to support it's bills, fuel its growth, and keep it running into the future.

So in the end, you aren't really paying for some perks, no matter how good or bad they may be, you're paying for the server itself. So when deciding if you'll continue paying for premium or not don't factor in the perks you've lost or the value of premium compared to non premium - decide if you'll donate based on how much you value the server itself. Do you think you can find a better server elsewhere? Do you value the server enough to donate for little in return? Is MassiveCraft worth 8usd/6euro a month?
 
Mecharic said:
Do you value the server enough to donate for little in return? Is MassiveCraft worth 8usd/6euro a month?
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ofc it does
 
I'm glad someone here had the same mindset when donating.

I personally donated because after the span of 1 month, I fell in love with how Massive does its thing. I used to play on the pay-to-win servers with corrupt owners and the like (why the hell I donated on one is beyond me)

I donated because Massive saved me from the plague of corrupted pay-to-win servers and the *shudders* mini-game servers. Looking back on my donation with the EULA, I have zero regrets. Which is why I recently donated again.

Sure I'm a bit upset with losing some perks, but if I really only cared about those few things, I shouldn't have donated in the first place.
 
I disagree, because at no point has Massive ever been a pay-to-play server. It's "donations" have always been a trade of income for bonuses. And as nice as the sentiment is, I'm pretty sure 70% of premium members will not pay again. If you point at your poll, bear in mind that the forums are really only used by a small number of very dedicated players, it really doesn't represent the entirety of Massive. I love this server, and have been here for years. But I am not being forced into paying for a service by Mojang. Is it a small payment? Yes. Is it a payment that provides a fair trade off? No. And if I'm just paying for the server, I'll go somewhere where the server is funded by the administration. Bottom line: Most of the player base, myself included, will not be forced into funding the server with no returns.
 
When I started donating way back when it was a way for me to get a head start, but now it means much more to me. That's not to say I'm upset about losing these perks, which I am, but I will not cancel my premium subscription because I love this server too much to let something like that sway me.
 
Honestly, the real reason I started donating was so I could make portals for my faction. And the green name looked cool. I don't PVP, so cosmetic features are a still a reasonable incentive.

That, and donating means the server can get better hardware, and Cay can spend more time working on new plugins.

I'm still hoping that item loss will become a universal PVP only thing, if not completely disabled when pacifist is on.
 
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You guys can think I'm cruel or heartless, idgaf. I personally donated to keep up with the PvPers, not out of the goodness of my heart yet that does NOT mean I want the server to be underfunded or die because I have plenty of friends, work and memories on it. I know what I said wasnt much, I'm just justifying why I voted no.
 
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bigwiggy said:
I disagree, because at no point has Massive ever been a pay-to-play server.
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uuuh, what? you're sort of confusing me, maybe you ment to write something else? i don't think Mecharic ever claimed it was a pay2play server?
bigwiggy said:
It's "donations" have always been a trade of income for bonuses.
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their way of saying "thank you" to us :)

bigwiggy said:
And as nice as the sentiment is, I'm pretty sure 70% of premium members will not pay again.
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I think that that is just a bit pessimisitic, but yea, some will stop donating. But It's their money and if you truly love the server, you donate without needing to get any benefits in return. (not saying you don't love the server if you don't donate, i very well understand some people can't and such)

bigwiggy said:
Is it a small payment? Yes. Is it a payment that provides a fair trade off? No.
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that's why it's a donation, not a payment :P

bigwiggy said:
But I am not being forced into paying for a service by Mojang. Is it a small payment? Yes. Is it a payment that provides a fair trade off? No. And if I'm just paying for the server, I'll go somewhere where the server is funded by the administration.
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Do you honestly believe that? i mean... c'mon... i doubt there are any good servers out there that are almost as big as massive where the administration pays for it all...

bigwiggy said:
Bottom line: Most of the player base, myself included, will not be forced into funding the server with no returns.
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no one is forcing you. you seem to confuyse the word 'donation' with 'paying for features'
just my 2 cents tough :3

edit: idek what went wrong with those quotes...
double edit: solved ^-^
 
krios41 said:
uuuh, what? you're sort of confusing me, maybe you ment to write something else? i don't think Mecharic ever claimed it was a pay2play server?


their way of saying "thank you" to us :)



I think that that is just a bit pessimisitic, but yea, some will stop donating. But It's their money and if you truly love the server, you donate without needing to get any benefits in return. (not saying you don't love the server if you don't donate, i very well understand some people can't and such)



that's why it's a donation, not a payment :P



Do you honestly believe that? i mean... c'mon... i doubt there are any good servers out there that are almost as big as massive where the administration pays for it all...



no one is forcing you. you seem to confuyse the word 'donation' with 'paying for features'
just my 2 cents tough :3

edit: idek what went wrong with those quotes...
double edit: solved ^-^
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You make a lot of good points Krios, but we have ideological differences. When I say I'm being forced to pay, I'm referencing how Mojang is enforcing a strict EULA on us, and is going to sever a lot of the servers income, forcing people to pay to keep it alive. So, agree to disagree, Im not going to start a flame war. Thank you for responding respectfully, sorry that I wasn't very clear in my statements.
 
bigwiggy said:
When I say I'm being forced to pay, I'm referencing how Mojang is enforcing a strict EULA on us, and is going to sever a lot of the servers income, forcing people to pay to keep it alive. .
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aha, ye, i agree on that
bigwiggy said:
So, agree to disagree, Im not going to start a flame war. Thank you for responding respectfully, sorry that I wasn't very clear in my statements.
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Np doe ^-^
agree to disagree, i can live with that
 
I purchased Premium for the substantial gameplay advantage when I first joined, however I do concur with your sentiments. Massive is an exceptional server from my limited experiences, and were I to continue playing Minecraft actively, Massive is where I would be. Currently, however, I am not an active player and will be ending my subscription. I expect that Massive will lose out on a large share of their current funding, and will need to find other ways to collect revenue to pay for server upkeep.

Better start hitting those Regalia street corners, staff.
 
znake1468 said:
This makes no sense to me
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Basically donator means someone who gave money to the server just to support the server. Premium means the perks.

So everyone who donated to the server just to help it out has the perks, but not everyone who has the perks did it out of supporting the server.
 
bigwiggy said:
I disagree, because at no point has Massive ever been a pay-to-play server. It's "donations" have always been a trade of income for bonuses. And as nice as the sentiment is, I'm pretty sure 70% of premium members will not pay again. If you point at your poll, bear in mind that the forums are really only used by a small number of very dedicated players, it really doesn't represent the entirety of Massive. I love this server, and have been here for years. But I am not being forced into paying for a service by Mojang. Is it a small payment? Yes. Is it a payment that provides a fair trade off? No. And if I'm just paying for the server, I'll go somewhere where the server is funded by the administration. Bottom line: Most of the player base, myself included, will not be forced into funding the server with no returns.
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A few things on this one...
First off. The forums are used by the majority of players. Not the minority.
Secondly. You are phrasing this like there are other servers where they are able to function without income. Minecraft servers are a business in their own and people who think otherwise are delusional.
 
For a server this sophisticated, $8/month is nothing. Especially when you go for a yearly subscription (I did a 3 month + 6 month, but should've considered the cheaper year.)
 
I bought premium nine hours after I joined the server. I know this from an old screenshot where I saw my /seen. Sure at the time it was because I didn't want to lose my inventory when I died. But now it's turned into much more than that. to a lot of people that are in the community, both staff and player, this is much more than just a Minecraft server. I will always donate to support the server no matter what I get out of it.

EDIT: i found the screenshot

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Jackmo_Jones said:
Yikes... where do you live? That's like $1 in the States.
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College bar serves the piss ones for £1.8 here ($2.6). The decent ones are £2.6 ($3.75). If you go to a club in Durham, you won't get ale under £3.2 ($4.6).

Still, lesson to be learned when judging this pesky $8: compare it to what you spend with your friends during one night out. Does a server that entertains you thirty-or-so days a month worth at least as much as the few shots of whiskey you'd have in the club on Saturday?

EDIT: Or well, for the less-alcoholic ones playing here, does it worth as much as quarter of a steam game?
 
Just going to say something about this (even though I'm just an itty bitty lore staff and actually don't know too much about anything else to do with other parts of massive tbh). Paying for premium or donating money to the server is an optional choice available to the players. Sure, while giving $8 a month gave a bunch of perks to the groups of premium players and may not give as much back now, Massivecraft never insisted or forced players to pay. Donations help keep the server up and running, as with multiple other servers (if not all? idk).

Basically just going to end this with a thanks to all who have donated and continue doing so.
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I really love MassiveCraft, and I'm bummed that the Premium perks are being modified, something nobody in the community has any control over.

However, in order to keep MassiveCraft and its website advertisement free and independent, I think it's totally worth the eight bucks a month. While I have no income to speak of, I think it's awfully kind of those who do to share theirs.

Thanks to all the donators for sharing their bounty to keep Massive ad-free and running right. You're awesome.
 
Mecharic said:
Here's a thought I just had while on a fish forum... is $8 a month worth not seeing walls of ads along the sides of the forums? Hell yeah.
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I think if it's possible. I saw on a different thread an idea where players could donate like $20 for 3 months of "advertisement" space on the forums for their in game store or roleplay group or even their faction. I saw on that thread that @DrFong said he would do that lol
 
znake1468 said:
I think if it's possible. I saw on a different thread an idea where players could donate like $20 for 3 months of "advertisement" space on the forums for their in game store or roleplay group or even their faction. I saw on that thread that @DrFong said he would do that lol
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Well I was thinking more like actual adverts like for other minecraft-like games or for mods related to minecraft or for computer stuff or for gamer stuff (aka, soda, chips, and microwave ramen lol). But I'd be all for the server giving in-game store owners a chance to advertise their stuff and see if they can earn enough money through it. Hell, I'd even keep those adverts visible if I could.
 
Mecharic said:
Well I was thinking more like actual adverts like for other minecraft-like games or for mods related to minecraft or for computer stuff or for gamer stuff (aka, soda, chips, and microwave ramen lol). But I'd be all for the server giving in-game store owners a chance to advertise their stuff and see if they can earn enough money through it. Hell, I'd even keep those adverts visible if I could.
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Oh I know what you were referring to. But with this idea we can have advertisements, bring in more donations, but still keep the advertisements completely centered around massive.
 
Very good post, mech. Couldn't have said it any better myself :)
 
togal300 said:
Consider that you are investing your time into the game, its similar to work in a way, purchasing premium with money that YOU worked for.
Your trading ingame cash for premium.
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I meant that there's a difference between donating and buying perks. If you're paying, be it regals or real money, and expect to get something in return, you're making a purchase, not donating.
 
znake1468 said:
you can expect whatever u want. this was never anything other than donating.
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To you, perhaps. But there's a bunch of people who buy features - Not to say this isn't helpful, but it's not the same as donating. Donating means paying for the server with the intention of helping everyone's cause and keeping it up.
 
Lord_Aza said:
To you, perhaps. But there's a bunch of people who buy features - Not to say this isn't helpful, but it's not the same as donating. Donating means paying for the server with the intention of helping everyone's cause and keeping it up.
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Which is exactly what happens when you donate for Premium.... At the end of the day this is a donation and nothing more. The terms specifically state that.
 
So if you go to a good hamburger restaurant and purchase extra fries, are you donating to keep their business up? I'm a bit confused.
 
Lord_Aza said:
So if you go to a good hamburger restaurant and purchase extra fries, are you donating to keep their business up? I'm a bit confused.
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In that example you are purchasing fries. But no matter what way you look at buying premium.. It's always a donation. That's what it specifically states. I understand what you are saying about how to some people, they were just buying the perks. But that's their mistake for expecting that.
 
Lord_Aza said:
So if you go to a good hamburger restaurant and purchase extra fries, are you donating to keep their business up? I'm a bit confused.
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No. If you want to stay in this food analogy, think about it like this:

You buy a good meal at a restaurant (paying) and then, because you thought it was nice you tip the waiter with a good amount (donation). He then decides to offer you something small, like a bit of liquor to go with your desert.

That happens frequently in a restaurant I visit.

You tip (donate) and get a little reward (premiun features).
 
ulumulu1510 said:
No. If you want to stay in this food analogy, think about it like this:

You buy a good meal at a restaurant (paying) and then, because you thought it was nice you tip the waiter with a good amount (donation). He then decides to offer you something small, like a bit of liquor to go with your desert.

That happens frequently in a restaurant I visit.

You tip (donate) and get a little reward (premiun features).
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Fair enough.
 

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