Archived New Strike Trait: Vampfeedstrike

WorldBuilder13 · Jul 31, 2014

Problem:
Now that the Vampire plugin is gone, the closest equivalent (That I know of) to feeding off a creature/player is FeedStrike. The problem with FeedStrike is that there is only a 5% chance of it activating from a melee strike. MCMMO boosted unarmed attacks do 1+3=4 damage at low Unarmed levels and even more at higher levels. Assuming your attacking an unarmored player who would be killed in 20/ 4=5 hits, that would only give a 5*596= 25% chance of restoring hunger. So after feeding off another player until they die, there is only a 1/4 chance of restoring hunger.

Solution:
Create a new FeedStrike trait with a higher chance of success, but with a lower reward. I would suggest increasing the chance to 100%, but reducing the Hunger Points gained to 1 (0.5 Drumsticks). This would result in 5 Hunger Points (2.5 Drumsticks) gained from killing an unarmored player.

TL DR
FeedStrike is not effective enough to create a valid method of restoring Hunger Points for Vampires, we need a different trait.

I think that this change would create a better trait for those seeking to create a Vampire trait build. What do you guys think?

Party_Penguin27 · Jul 31, 2014

Do they have a blood feed option? Also do they have one where vamps burn in the day. I was a vamp for a while and it was fun until rp became impossible

Suzzie · Jul 31, 2014

Vampires are usually only in RP, RP is usually in Regalia, Regalia has damage off, making a trait like this useless unless for PVP. I don't really see the point here, just RP it out.. :V

Edit: *prepares for negative ratings and everyone to claw my eyes out*

Party_Penguin27 · Jul 31, 2014

suzzie2 said:
Vampires are usually only in RP, RP is usually in Regalia, Regalia has damage off, making a trait like this useless unless for PVP. I don't really see the point here, just RP it out.. :V

Edit: *prepares for negative ratings and everyone to claw my eyes out*

Good point.
However a burn in day or a trait like the old blood trait would be usefull

WorldBuilder13 · Jul 31, 2014

Party_Penguin27 said:
Do they have a blood feed option? Also do they have one where vamps burn in the day. I was a vamp for a while and it was fun until rp became impossible

There was some sort of blood feed option in the original plugin, but now you'd have to use FeedStrike. Or Carnivore, but that just wouldn't be the same.

They don't have a trait that causes burning in sunlight, but there is a trait that causes you to take damage when in sunlight.

WorldBuilder13 · Jul 31, 2014

suzzie2 said:
Vampires are usually only in RP, RP is usually in Regalia, Regalia has damage off, making a trait like this useless unless for PVP. I don't really see the point here, just RP it out.. :V

Edit: *prepares for negative ratings and everyone to claw my eyes out*

I get that, but I also enjoy playing survival as a vampire. I figure if they got rid of the dedicated vampire plugin they could at least add a better blood feeding trait than FeedStrike.

Party_Penguin27 · Jul 31, 2014

WorldBuilder13 said:
There was some sort of blood feed option in the original plugin, but now you'd have to use FeedStrike. Or Carnivore, but that just wouldn't be the same.

They don't have a trait that causes burning in sunlight, but there is a trait that causes you to take damage when in sunlight.

Good enough you can add jumpboost night vision etc to make a good rp character. Vamps were never great at pvp

Suzzie · Jul 31, 2014

Basic trait build for a vampire.
/t a
-Jump
-HungerStrike
-HurtLight
-UnHoly
-FallImmune
-HealAlways (If you really wanna be like the old plugin)
-StarveLight
-NightVision
@WorldBuilder13 @Party_Penguin27

Party_Penguin27 · Jul 31, 2014

WorldBuilder13 said:
I get that, but I also enjoy playing survival as a vampire. I figure if they got rid of the dedicated vampire plugin they could at least add a better blood feeding trait than FeedStrike.

Good point its hard to be a vamp and be nomming like carrotts

WorldBuilder13 · Jul 31, 2014

suzzie2 said:
Basic trait build for a vampire.
/t a
-Jump
-HungerStrike
-HurtLight
-UnHoly
-FallImmune
-HealAlways (If you really wanna be like the old plugin)
-StarveLight
-NightVision
@WorldBuilder13 @Party_Penguin27

That's fine for pure RP, but I also want to be able to do survival RP. It ruins it if I'm playing as a bread eating vamp.

Suzzie · Jul 31, 2014

WorldBuilder13 said:
That's fine for pure RP, but I also want to be able to do survival RP. It ruins it if I'm playing as a bread eating vamp.

>Nonivore works, I believe. But I really don't think this kind of trait would be added :U

WorldBuilder13 · Jul 31, 2014

suzzie2 said:
>Nonivore works, I believe. But I really don't think this kind of trait would be added :U

How does Nonivore work for that? It would keep me from eating bread, yeah, but then I'd need another food trait that would end up being something beside feeding from people.

Party_Penguin27 · Jul 31, 2014

WorldBuilder13 said:
How does Nonivore work for that? It would keep me from eating bread, yeah, but then I'd need another food trait that would end up being something beside feeding from people.

I agree they need command to feed from water bottles and a feed form killing animals

Suzzie · Jul 31, 2014

I will point this out: The traits plugin was made mainly for RP. (Pretty sure)
RP > Regalia > No killing or damage

Joshy54100 · Jul 31, 2014

Party_Penguin27 said:
Vamps were never great at pvp

Nope

Party_Penguin27 · Jul 31, 2014

suzzie2 said:
I will point this out: The traits plugin was made mainly for RP. (Pretty sure)
RP > Regalia > No killing or damage

It was fun but now pvprs are flooding the server

WorldBuilder13 · Jul 31, 2014

suzzie2 said:
I will point this out: The traits plugin was made mainly for RP. (Pretty sure)
RP > Regalia > No killing or damage

That may be, but there are feeding options for many of the old races as well as new feeding options. I don't see any reason why vampire shouldn't get one. Also, keep in mind that this would be able to be used on mobs (at least I asume it can be used on mobs), not just PVP.

Dogdude1284 · Jul 31, 2014

Party_Penguin27 said:
Good enough you can add jumpboost night vision etc to make a good rp character. Vamps were never great at pvp

false

Suzzie · Jul 31, 2014

WorldBuilder13 said:
That may be, but there are feeding options for many of the old races as well as new feeding options. I don't see any reason why vampire shouldn't get one. Also, keep in mind that this would be able to be used on mobs (at least I asume it can be used on mobs), not just PVP.

Vampirise is a curse. Not a race. It's rather minor, when compared to the former.

Party_Penguin27 · Aug 1, 2014

suzzie2 said:
Vampirise is a curse. Not a race. It's rather minor, when compared to the former.

Many consider it a race

Suzzie · Aug 1, 2014

Party_Penguin27 said:
Many consider it a race

Lore considers it a curse. :V

Party_Penguin27 · Aug 1, 2014

suzzie2 said:
Lore considers it a curse. :V

Not all rp is lore complaint.

lore is relatively one sided

WorldBuilder13 · Aug 1, 2014

suzzie2 said:
Vampirise is a curse. Not a race. It's rather minor, when compared to the former.

I don't necessarily consider it to be a race RP wise, but game play wise it essentially was. In fact there seemed to be a lot more detail in the Vampire plugin than in the races plugin.

Joshy54100 · Aug 1, 2014

suzzie2 said:
I will point this out: The traits plugin was made mainly for RP. (Pretty sure)
RP > Regalia > No killing or damage

It was made for both. While most of the traits are PvP minded, this is because RPers didn't need as many traits as PvPers do to make it interesting, and because many traits double for both PvP and RP (Things like FlyWater are used frequently by both)

Suzzie · Aug 1, 2014

Party_Penguin27 said:
Not all rp is lore complaint. lore is relatively one sided

Well, the lore is there for a reason. :U

Gwyndo · Aug 1, 2014

Party_Penguin27 said:
Good point.
However a burn in day or a trait like the old blood trait would be usefull

There is already a trait like this ._.

The Vampire Disease, and every single race except Vespid can be re-created using traits :I

1002713Alex · Aug 1, 2014

It would be cool if that brought back the ability to drink blood from a willing subject. I always loved that if you're starving to death, you can pretty much eat your companion.

WorldBuilder13 · Aug 1, 2014

Jack_The_Unseen said:
There is already a trait like this ._.

The Vampire Disease, and every single race except Vespid can be re-created using traits :I

Which current trait is like the old blood trait?

Absinthe · Aug 1, 2014

WorldBuilder13 said:
Which current trait is like the old blood trait?

Feed strike.

WorldBuilder13 · Aug 1, 2014

AgeisQuartz said:
Feed strike.

As I stated in my original post, FeedStrike is a similar, but significantly less effective spin on the old blood trait. The way it used to be is that vampires would get food upon the killing of players and most creatures. As far a I know this chance was 100%. My suggestion is implement a trait that is in between these two, since the ability to partially feed off a creature without killing makes more sense to me anyway.

leafnosedbat · Aug 1, 2014

Jack_The_Unseen said:
There is already a trait like this ._.

The Vampire Disease, and every single race except Vespid can be re-created using traits :I

Presently, Vespid (now Mekett) and Yanar cannot be recreated. And the old vampire plugin can only be imitated. The traits plugin still has a way to go before it can do what the vampire plugin could.

This isn't a complaint about the traits plugin, I love it. I just hope development on it will pick up again soon.

Mostlyhuman · Aug 1, 2014

suzzie2 said:
Basic trait build for a vampire.
/t a
-Jump
-HungerStrike
-HurtLight
-UnHoly
-FallImmune
-HealAlways (If you really wanna be like the old plugin)
-StarveLight
-NightVision

O/T
That trait build would give me cancer using.

+Jump kay.
-HungerStrike Why?
-Hurtlight -Cough- Harmsunlight, if I even take that, as the minecraft sun timer is unrealistic. Night does not pass in 6 minutes.
+Unholy Yah.
+Fallimmune kay.
+Healalways Old plugin healed off food level, but kay..
-Starvelight No.
-Nightvision More broken than a run over hand due to default minecraft glitches.

Should have...
+Nonivore. What vampire eats food?
+FeedDarkness Encourages you to stay in the dark, not run around in daylight, without disrupting RP due to lack of realistic daynight cycle.
+Speed We're faster than you.
+Whatever else you want.

Party_Penguin27 said:
Many consider it a race

Party_Penguin27 said:
Not all rp is lore complaint. lore is relatively one sided

I swear to god if you put this argument as old as massivecraft itself in this thread...
Vampires Are not A race. Moving on.

Feedstrike. A trait that grants no lasting fill to your hunger bar due to lack of saturation, as well as just all around being a pain to actually get to proc unless you have an autoclicker that clicks 20 times a second, or you use your bow for once. Useless as all hell in RP as well, probably only finding use in Darkrooming.

I'd agree with OP on this one. The trait would probably serve some far better use and be at least somewhat more used than feedstrike, and makes more sense. I would ask that the VampireFeeding trait would enable use of the old /v o and /v a functionalities we've seen in the plugin. I can't think it would be exceedingly difficult to accomplish, given we have the complicated enough (Code Wise I believe) traits such as the Yin-Yang Holy and Unholy traits.

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