Minecraft 1.9 Lore Changes

[MonMarty]

Coming 1.9, the Roleplay community has surprisingly little changes to take into account, most Minecraft features don't make much of a play in Regalian roleplay, if anything additional visual features like shields will bring deeper immersion. There is one subject however that does not get implemented or accepted as easily, and that is: Wings.

Minecraft will allow players to craft wings (maybe we will make it a command that costs money on Massive?), either way, resulting in the ability to fly around Regalia from the sky. Normally speaking this is a privilege reserved to only staff members, which is why it's never really been a problem. After all, a staff member could just /vanish and not disrupt the immersion of a role player while flying around. However, we expect dozens of players to fly around Regalia with frequency when the feature is released, and we're not planning on blocking the feature either since it has two inherent advantages.

1. Regalia is amazing. It's one of the largest city building projects ever built, and it certain is the largest city building project that is actually inhabited by players exclusively. From the ground, the buildings are amazing, but sometimes you cannot truly grasp the architectural skill of a specific building unless you're looking at it from our perspective, meaning the sky. We're hoping the ability to fly will give people a greater appreciation for the attention and detail that went into all buildings in Regalia, and also to gain a scope of how truly massive the city is.
2. It opens the possibility for re-sparking the "Avarr debate", the avian race that since its first concept has been plagued with setbacks and retcons. Certainly, we won't go back to the standard of the old Avarr terror birds simply because we've decided a while back to make them extinct in lore to help with Orc background and future quest world implementation. We are interested however to see what the community would feel would be a good solution or implementation to both make the wings lore compliant and fun to use in Regalia.

Please answer the Poll above.

I'll quickly toss in the message that this thread in no means implies that the most chosen option will actually be implemented. We're keeping all options on the table at this point for a general brain storm, but realistically speaking half these implementations aren't even realistically possible.

 

[MonMarty]

Uh. I forgot to add another vote choice: Add a new race with Wings AND update the Mekkett to allow flight

Rate this post agree and choose not to vote if you agree with this option instead of all the above.

 

[krios41]

I voted for the structural design of mekket
But i also quiet like the idea of making wings with ethereal magic.

 

[BittaBoBittoBa]

You should add an option to vote for a new magic but without the self-serving wings, make them less like hawkman and more like Storm from X-men

 

[MonMarty]

I'm also tossing up the idea of creating a world region above the roof tops that enables PVP to give people something fun to shoot at.

 

[HydraLana]

PEOPLE. If we gave the Mekett wings...

 

[DrFong]

No matter what the solution, EVERYONE is going to want to fly around Regalia and who can blame them?
I can foresee a giant glut of whatever the new race or magic type happens to be.

Why not a technological solution? They could be some sort of wearable glider.
They might fit well with the new more advanced airships. Ever see that movie "The Rocketeer"?

Whatever the solution, EVERYONE is going to want to fly.
I think it's just human nature.

 

[Ewdrawings]

In actuality I'd like a new race designed with wings, a new race that can levitate, and I'd like the new magic that incorporates ethereal wings. If it weren't considered overkill, maybe even having the Mekket as well, becoming flight compatible. #Flightexpansionpack? :')

• Potentially make the roleplay flight capabilities premium.
• Make it so the wings allow lateral increase and decrease!
• New race with wings.
• New race with levitation.
• Mekket wing allowance.
• An invention also! Although I'd say simply a forwards moving glider, rather than a jetpack like plane. It wouldn't really fit the medieval atmosphere.

 

[Ragnio]

No matter what the solution, EVERYONE is going to want to fly around Regalia and who can blame them?
I can foresee a giant glut of whatever the new race or magic type happens to be.

Why not a technological solution? They could be some sort of wearable glider.
They might fit well with the new more advanced airships. Ever see that movie "The Rocketeer"?

Whatever the solution, everyone is going to want to fly.
I think it's just human nature.

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I agree with you on these points!
Neither am I against a new race with wings or a form of magic,
but I think that we should give players the chance to fly around without being a mage or a new race.
The technological solution idea (Maybe Gliders and such, that would fit a lot to the airships) would be the best thing to allow players to fly around without bigger changes.

 

[Wumpatron]

Got agree with Dr.Fong on this, people are gonna be using wings regardless of race or abilities. Its a cool new feature and people are gonna want to take advantage of it. Advancing Regalian technology to allow gliders to exist would make sense from this point of view.

 

[Winterlapis]

Why not a technological solution? They could be some sort of wearable glider.
They might fit well with the new more advanced airships. Ever see that movie "The Rocketeer"?

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I agree with this solution the most. I'm sure people would like to see their already existing characters fly rather than making an entirely new race. Of course, they may be prone to breakage and whatnot initially, but it would still people to have the flight experience WITHOUT making a new character or having to learn magic. (Which some races cannot do.)

EDIT: Maybe it could be some sort of medieval hanglider or something?

 

[Eccetra]

I voted for:
Give the levitate feature to an already existing Race.

I would, however, like either:

• The Mekett to be given wings, and/or
• An existing race be given the ability to levitate.

Currently the Mekett are vastly underplayed, and I believe the ability to fly (albeit short distances, and within reason) would give more people the incentive to play one. Although, if this weren't found to be applicable then a levitation ability - as opposed to flying - would be a neat idea too. (And I'd rather this was given to an existing race, mekett or otherwise.)

As @DrFong says, everybody will want the ability to fly. As such, I believe it would be best to give it to an underplayed race to help increase likeability. If it was given to a form of magic or new race, I feel that magic/race would quickly become everyone's favourite thing.

 

[leafnosedbat]

All the options that open up new Roleplay opportunities appeal to me, but the accessibility of a technological solution really sounds best.

Maybe it was the Mekket who invented these new gliders? "Elytra" are the outer casings of beetle wings, after all.

 

[Winterlapis]

All the options that open up new Roleplay opportunities appeal to me, but the accessibility of a technological solution really sounds best.

Maybe it was the Mekket who invented these new gliders? "Elytra" are the outer casings of beetle wings, after all.

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Oooh, that is true, so that'd be a nice idea, but what if there were different exclamations for other races as well. Like: for example maybe the Solang made a 'hanglider' to easily navigate their jungle homes. Or possibly dwarves came up with some portable flying machine that worked. I'd fully be willing to write something on this if others like this idea.

 

[MonMarty]

I'll quickly toss in the message that this thread in no means implies that the most chosen option will actually be implemented. We're keeping all options on the table at this point for a general brain storm, but realistically speaking half these implementations aren't even realistically possible.

 

[Ewdrawings]

I do think hang gliding takes away any chance of it actually being possible to fly in Regalia. I mean, it'd be silly to allow people to hang glide around from an IC standpoint. So that'd lead to laws about it. Not to mention the fact that icly it'd be a bit ridiculous for anything other than say, cliff jumping. I mean it's not like people would hang glide to work? If anything, a race having wings is the only way to go for taking care of peoples needs and urges to fly. From my point of view, it's the only way people will actually be able to fly around Regalia as their hearts desire. Though, I still would like gliders. Even if only for those expeditions out to a mountain to pay to hang glide. Holiday resorts maybe? :')

 

[__Kitsune__]

I do think hang gliding takes away any chance of it actually being possible to fly in Regalia. I mean, it'd be silly to allow people to hang glide around from an IC standpoint. So that'd lead to laws about it. Not to mention the fact that icly it'd be a bit ridiculous for anything other than say, cliff jumping. I mean it's not like people would hang glide to work? If anything, a race having wings is the only way to go for taking care of peoples needs and urges to fly. From my point of view, it's the only way people will actually be able to fly around Regalia as their hearts desire. Though, I still would like gliders. Even if only for those expeditions out to a mountain to pay to hang glide. Holiday resorts maybe? :')

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Maybe there could be like a gliding competition or something?

 

[DipliPsychi]

dwarf

 

[HobblingHobbit]

I like the idea of the Mekket being able to fly, it would give them a bit of an added bonus to encourage them to be role played more. However if the magic option is taken, why create an entirely new magic? Why not just create a new subschool under the already existing air magic?

 

[Parz1vol]

I can't help but agree with both @Eccetra and @LeafMC, though I'll admit, Eccetra has a good point with the underplay of Mekett.

 

[Suzzie]

I like the idea of a colorful bird race, or maybe even a dragon like race.

Beast form soul magic users could maybe even form working wings now.

 

[Zacatero]

Since we are in kind of a steam punk era... Could there be a way for other races that won't have wings to maybe strap on some sort of suit (which of course would be equipped the same way the new race would equip the wings but IC stuffz) so they can fly too?

Would something like that work?

 

[Tra_kad]

The only thing I can see happening though is:

Edge Chronicles are coming.

 

[Beetletoes]

I voted for:
Give the levitate feature to an already existing Race.

I would, however, like either:

• The Mekett to be given wings, and/or
• An existing race be given the ability to levitate.

Currently the Mekett are vastly underplayed, and I believe the ability to fly (albeit short distances, and within reason) would give more people the incentive to play one. Although, if this weren't found to be applicable then a levitation ability - as opposed to flying - would be a neat idea too. (And I'd rather this was given to an existing race, mekett or otherwise.)

As @DrFong says, everybody will want the ability to fly. As such, I believe it would be best to give it to an underplayed race to help increase likeability. If it was given to a form of magic or new race, I feel that magic/race would quickly become everyone's favourite thing.

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Please let the Orcs levitate. That would be awesome.

 

[avemechanicus]

I'm all for gliders and technology based solutions.

 

[Wumpatron]

Lord_Immortal makes a great point about how odd it would be for everyone to be flying around Regalia in gliders. It would make the most sense to give it to a race like the Mekket or even as some sort of magic. The way I see it, now reflecting upon it more, regardless of what happens people will be using the Elytra to glide around the city. Now if its decided that gliders will not be made a thing it will just be a bunch of OOC people exploring the city. Not to say that it's a bad thing because it won't be a part of roleplay, people will just be ignoring it. Suppose that's the case and the Mekket can glide around while IC. Will anyone take notice or acknowledge them flying? It doesn't seem likely that the Elytra will become a wing suit as a majority of characters are just everyday common people, how would they come into the possession of a wing suit and know how to use it? People would come up with all sorts of silly reasons as an excuse to use it to fly around the city. Honestly just have the Elytra be an OOC thing for people to use to see Regalia from a different point of view. As much potential as the Elytra has for cool roleplay opportunities I just see people taking advantage of it existing in the world. So, yeah that's just my opinion on the Elytra now. Hopefully I'm wrong.

 

[FireFan96]

I'm all for the new race and having Mekket have wings. It makes sense to have them have them in the current lore without much trouble.

For magic, I can kinda see it happening, but I don't see it very useful if everyone sees a mage fly over the town. Someone's gonna shoot it down.

I'm actually a bit iffy on the whole glider idea. Yeah, it could be a very fun thing. But at the same time, how many citizens would actually have the funds to secure a glider? It's not like airships are very common. Travel is still most common via sea, as we can see with the Fleet being the main military of Regalia. The only time commoners even experience airships is via a noble event, and even then not many commoners get to go. I just don't see gliders becoming something that could become very common to citizens unless the entire universe got rewritten.

Now I accept that everyone will want to be flying around the city on these things. But from my RP perspective, It just doesn't make sense to see you everyday run of the mill character to go around flying on a glider. Maybe some crazy orcs and dwarves might use it as an exclusive thing, but other than that there isn't any realistic standpoint from it.

So I'd prefer if this just stayed as a race thing, as it would be the most realistic approach.

Note: By realistic I mean the amount of things someone can suspend their disbelief on. I can accept all the races and lore as fantasy. But It starts to get a bit odd hen you see Jim and Jane the farmers flying around on gliders in the middle of town.

Side Note Speculation): I also believe if we accepted this as an advancement in technology, a lot of the current way of life will start to die out. For example, If we allow gliders, then airships will gain popularity. As such, airships will eventually overtake seafaring vessels in usefulness.

This would destroy the Empire. I'm pretty sure the whole Fleet would become useless, as anyone could just bomb them from the sky. All sailors would be outsourced as none of them are young enough to adapt to the skies. So the harbor would turn into another poor district, and you'd have a lot of tough looking sailors out of work and angered.

With this in mind, I believe a lot of merchants and nobles would do almost anything to prevent these gliders from becoming popular, either by burning the documents or sabotaging factories to stop production. It would be the most logical outcome, since no one like having their way of life become obsolete.

 

[Mecharic]

If magic can be cast onto items in lore the same way a sword can be enchanted than they could be Magitech, wings that fly using magical power and technological prowess. Regardless, I foresee Regalia setting up 'Flight Towers' that people can take off and land at, each with it's own unique color so that fliers can find their way to the tower they want to land at. I can't really see Regalia not setting up some kind of method to organize flying in order to help keep security to a max and maintain order in the city.

 

[Tra_kad]

If magic can be cast onto items in lore the same way a sword can be enchanted than they could be Magitech, wings that fly using magical power and technological prowess. Regardless, I foresee Regalia setting up 'Flight Towers' that people can take off and land at, each with it's own unique color so that fliers can find their way to the tower they want to land at. I can't really see Regalia not setting up some kind of method to organize flying in order to help keep security to a max and maintain order in the city.

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I like. Me Gusta.

 

[leafnosedbat]

I'm all for the new race and having Mekket have wings. It makes sense to have them have them in the current lore without much trouble.

For magic, I can kinda see it happening, but I don't see it very useful if everyone sees a mage fly over the town. Someone's gonna shoot it down.

I'm actually a bit iffy on the whole glider idea. Yeah, it could be a very fun thing. But at the same time, how many citizens would actually have the funds to secure a glider? It's not like airships are very common. Travel is still most common via sea, as we can see with the Fleet being the main military of Regalia. The only time commoners even experience airships is via a noble event, and even then not many commoners get to go. I just don't see gliders becoming something that could become very common to citizens unless the entire universe got rewritten.

Now I accept that everyone will want to be flying around the city on these things. But from my RP perspective, It just doesn't make sense to see you everyday run of the mill character to go around flying on a glider. Maybe some crazy orcs and dwarves might use it as an exclusive thing, but other than that there isn't any realistic standpoint from it.

So I'd prefer if this just stayed as a race thing, as it would be the most realistic approach.

Note: By realistic I mean the amount of things someone can suspend their disbelief on. I can accept all the races and lore as fantasy. But It starts to get a bit odd hen you see Jim and Jane the farmers flying around on gliders in the middle of town.

Side Note Speculation): I also believe if we accepted this as an advancement in technology, a lot of the current way of life will start to die out. For example, If we allow gliders, then airships will gain popularity. As such, airships will eventually overtake seafaring vessels in usefulness.

This would destroy the Empire. I'm pretty sure the whole Fleet would become useless, as anyone could just bomb them from the sky. All sailors would be outsourced as none of them are young enough to adapt to the skies. So the harbor would turn into another poor district, and you'd have a lot of tough looking sailors out of work and angered.

With this in mind, I believe a lot of merchants and nobles would do almost anything to prevent these gliders from becoming popular, either by burning the documents or sabotaging factories to stop production. It would be the most logical outcome, since no one like having their way of life become obsolete.

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Airplanes exist, and yet humans still rely on the sea for shipping. Hang-gliders exist, but I'm sure we both know that you're far more likely to see someone getting around by rowboat.

Ships still have the advantage of durability, capacity, reliability, ease of access, etc. Airships are more like pleasure-craft or exploration vessels, and gliders would likely be similarly employed.

Not to mention, if you fall off a boat, you're just in the ocean. If you fall off an airship, you're falling to your death.

 

[FireFan96]

very good stuff

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I agree with all of that. But at the same time, how likely is it for ma and pa the common street vendor to go around on a glider? Yeah, maybe the occasional vacation might be plausible, but I hardly read stories about major cities with people just gliding around willy-nilly all the time. It does happen, but only because it's an insane tourist trap.

I just don't see Regalia's structure being 100% for these advancements in technology if implemented. The cost alone to make towers just for gliders makes no sense economically. I know that this is a fantasy genre, but I think the general love of money and not wasting it is pretty universal.

I'll finish off with the idea of risks involved. Being a new technology, there's not going to be a lot of safety features to prevent people crashing to their deaths. Not to mention landing in and of itself is not really possibly with Regalia as it is designed. The roads are starting to get wider, but I don't think bystanders would like being hit by a landing glider. The sea is the next option, but swimming with a glider is not so easy to do, even for advanced swimmers.

Lastly is landing somewhere on the outskirts of town. This is probably the most plausible. But at the same time, this is probably the most dangerous, as wild animals and bandits could attack a glider. Even if close to the city walls, it's still not safe if your not inside the wall.


Yeah, people will want to fly. But on a lore-compliance note, I don't think claiming gliders is the way to go about it. People wouldn't have the funds to buy a leisure device (they need food and shelter first) and it wouldn't factor in everyone's risk calculation of an unproven safety feature.

I just kinda view the glider idea, although a very nice idea, to be in the same grouping as the stereotypical anime characters that can do whatever without any logic involved. I really think making them race exclusive would keep the general atmosphere the same tone as everyone is used to and generally enjoys.

 

[PurpleDrac]

Well, the Mekket have wings, so they should fly, something about levitating vampires, mages forming wing is an interesting idea and as far as a technological solution, I agree with @Mecharic on the topic of flight towers, that would be cool. For the record, races that can't fly, are gonna want to fly anyways, so an quick and easy solution to this problem would be to go Air Bender style.

 

[BahDoctor]

This could cause lag? I think it could slightly, because of the numerous people levitating. But there is another problem: Crime will increase in the city IC. It's as easy as levetating above someone (Ailor and other non-levitating races) I don't know, nicking their gold. Deaths in events also increase dramatically by a lot. Floating above the event and dropping poison in a barrel can be very easy and guards of the event would likely be occupied.

Solutions to this include:

Making a new Charter, full of Mekket's that are capable of flying to help patrol the area.

Doing nothing and letting crime increase.



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[krios41]

member: 10696"But there is another problem: Crime will increase in the city IC. It's as easy as levetating above someone (Ailor and other non-levitating races) I don't know, nicking their gold.

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you know
i don't think that increased crime is bad for rp
And i also don't think you can use gliders for teh scenrio you just descripted,

 

[PurpleDrac]

This could cause lag? I think it could slightly, because of the numerous people levitating. But there is another problem: Crime will increase in the city IC. It's as easy as levetating above someone (Ailor and other non-levitating races) I don't know, nicking their gold. Deaths in events also increase dramatically by a lot. Floating above the event and dropping poison in a barrel can be very easy and guards of the event would likely be occupied.

Solutions to this include:

Making a new Charter, full of Mekket's that are capable of flying to help patrol the area.

Doing nothing and letting crime increase.



@MonMarty (to answer?)

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Im pretty sure that most of the people in regalia, especially the criminals, drink way too much to be able to execute a gliding maneuver so complex...

 

[BahDoctor]

Hehe. @PurpleDrac

 

[PurpleDrac]

Hehe. @PurpleDrac

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Y'all knows it's true, mate

 

[ChensSpaghetti]

I have a solution for the wings that I consider pretty productive. It won't result in people making new characters if they don't want to.

There could be a new race with wings and the ability to glide.

AND

Because a lot of the RP population play characters that are 1st class citizens (Ailor, Talar, Qadir, Chien'Ji, and Dwarves) that are considered adults (I don't know, maybe 18 or 16, being that it's medieval), can get a permit to use wings. Just a little application on the forums, a tiny little letter, maybe 3 or more sentences, then BAM! Your character has a permit to use gliders. As long as they could get their hands on a pair (whether legally or illegally), they can use it. Just a simple letter with the character's race and age. It's up to staff whether they need an approved app or not, but it'd probably be better if they didn't need it.

 

[Zacatero]

Snip

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Would it make sense for it to require a special permission? So it could cycle through the one at a time stuff.

 

[ChensSpaghetti]

Would it make sense for it to require a special permission? So it could cycle through the one at a time stuff.

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Well, a lot of people play special permissions. That would kind of ruin it. I mean, then only a few people would be willing to use that slot, as well as the fact that you need an approved character.