Keep Paying For Premium You Cheapos

[Aespair]

Really now? Just because the benefits are gone, you think you can just ditch premium? Reaaaally. Our friend and hero, Cayorno, pours his heart and soul into this server, and just because Mojang says that we can't have benefits for premium, that's it? You're just going to stop donating? If nobody donates, the server goes down. AND, now that everyone gets the previous premium benefits, you can just pay for it anyway and pretend that those benefits are particular to yourself. I mean, if you could afford it before, shouldn't make too much of a difference now. Oh and by the way, who would ever stop donating when you can GLOW WITH IMMENSE SWAG.

I've been having the time of my life since I joined massive, and I shudder when I think it could be closed down just because some dingos didn't donate because "no more benefits? im out mate." I mean come on, the mods and Cayorno work their asses off for your enjoyment. That's right. They don't get paid, they do what they do purely to make YOU happy, even if you're too cheap to continue buying premium after they were FORCED to remove- scratch that, give everyone the benefits of what you've been paying for. Consider the 8 dollar subscription fee as your admittance fee to the server.

I don't care, do anything, ANYTHING that motivates you to keep donating, because it's more important than you think.

Also, anyone find it weird that giant servers that blatantly s*** on the EULA are still standing?

 

[FireFan96]

Also, anyone find it weird that giant servers that blatantly s*** on the EULA are still standing?

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Yep. Like every OP faction server ever....

I'm extremely surprised that Mojang didn't start with them. Honestly, there's like, 50 Youtubers on these things daily, at least one person had to look in the donation shop for one minute to say: "wow, for $100 you can get /fly and 50 backpacks?" Yet the only servers I know that get EULA enforced are the minigame ones. And even then, the only EULA violation is IRL money for IG currency.

It's just kinda funny how the largest offenders are the ones who are still getting away with it. Especially when their communities total like 500 people daily.

 

[DrFong]

I happily pay my $8 because I have fun here and like the roleplaying community. The benefits were a nice "thank you" but not essential for my fun.

I'll watch as things develope, but as long as I find it fun to play here, I will continue to pay for the pleasure with a smile on my face.

 

[Legoclub22]

Well, what with the many new God items in my inventory, I should think people aren't minding donating money.

 

[Aespair]

Well, what with the many new God items in my inventory, I should think people aren't minding donating money.

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You know what, if you don't feel like getting premium or feel you're getting scammed, do everyone a favor and get us all some nice new god weps.

 

[Zacatero]

Sure the benefits were nice at first but at the end there... i wasnt donating for them i was donating for massive.

 

[DrFong]

Well, what with the many new God items in my inventory, I should think people aren't minding donating money.

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Until we all have 15 sets and it dries up like cakes and apples did. One time purchases do not replace monthly subscribers. You need that reliable monthly income to run a business.

 

[Mecharic]

Thank you for saying what I couldn't for diplomatic reasons.

 

[MDeeDub]

I totally agree with this and will continue to pay myself. I am worried for our server though...last time these types of changes were made for Eula the server lost so many premiums they had to revert to not complying....if that's not an option then I'm a little worried for what's going to happen a couple months down the road. Keep rallying everyone guys. We are gunna need it!

 

[Caedit]

I assume the servers ignoring the EULA are being given a grace period before mojang begins lawsuits. Which will also take time and paperwork.

 

[Aespair]

I totally agree with this and will continue to pay myself. I am worried for our server though...last time these types of changes were made for Eula the server lost so many premiums they had to revert to not complying....if that's not an option then I'm a little worried for what's going to happen a couple months down the road. Keep rallying everyone guys. We are gunna need it!

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I wasn't around last time, this server ain't going down on my watch

 

[Caedit]

I wasn't around last time, this server ain't going down on my watch

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I'm just going to say, worst case scenario is that Cayorion will have to find a job and make the server a part time deal. Meaning we will probably lose some server size and updates/fixes will decrease drastically, but I think we'll survive. The hope is we can continue providing enough donations that he can still have the server be a full time job, but if we can't, the server won't just disappear.

Last time the donations weren't sustainable if Cayorion didn't pay for things himself, and nobody was following the EULA so he said screw it. Now with the server being told by mojang to cut it out or get shutdown, the compliance is no longer something you can get away with not following. Though with Mojang cracking down, rival servers are going to start disappearing, and we'l probably get a influx of players looking for new servers.

 

[Jackmo_Jones]

I assume the servers ignoring the EULA are being given a grace period before mojang begins lawsuits. Which will also take time and paperwork.

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They don't need a lawsuit all non hacked servers require Mojang for players to log into their accounts. All they have to do is blacklist these servers an people will no longer be able to log into them on a regular account.

 

[Kidmodo]

Now I ask you a question.

If I don't need to paint then why would I buy a paint brush?

If you don't need something then why spend the extra money on it.

 

[Zacatero]

Now I ask you a question.

If I don't need to paint then why would I buy a paint brush?

If you don't need something then why spend the extra money on it.

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In this example you might not need paint but what if, because you don't buy the brush, the entire store closes and you won't be able to ever buy paint again. And no other store sells paint this good

 

[Kidmodo]

In this example you might not need paint but what if, because you don't buy the brush, the entire store closes and you won't be able to ever buy paint again. And no other store sells paint this good

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First off if a business dies because of one non sell, then that business is already having problems that needs another solution. Also you said no other store sells paint this good. I don't need the paint I need a brush (which in this case is a server) and there are millions of brushes while they can all be different in some regards, they all have the same purpose and the same outcome. So at the end of the day if two or more tools get the same job done, does it really matter what tool I use?

And I will give you another metaphor just for the sake that I love them.

It's like this, at the end of the day, I need food. No matter where it comes from I need food. Now that food can come in Ramen which feeds me and keeps me alive at a moderate level and I can slide by although I can't really do much since I am not getting a good amount of "nutrients" (perks). But now if I buy a 5 course meal which contains more "nutrients" then I will be healthier and therefor able to do more actions and live a better life.

In normal terms the Ramen would be a cheap choice, or in this case a free choice, and the 5 course meal would be a more expensive choice. Now if you take Massive's situation they just made the Ramen and the 5 course meal free of charge, so why would I want to only eat Ramen when I can eat a hella good meal and get better benefits for free.

 

[Zacatero]

If everybody has the same idea is you and doesn't buy the brush. That's what I was implying. Also the way you had said it I assumed the brush was premium and the paint was the server. Because the brush help you better use the paint… also because of the fact that you're buying a brush… You don't buy the server, you buy premium.

Also I could care less what metaphor you use… If people stop buying premium, then the server goes away. You can think "oh but since everybody gets it, why would I pay?" But if too many people think that… Then nobody will have any privileges because the server will have to shut down.

 

[Kidmodo]

If everybody has the same idea is you and doesn't buy the brush. That's what I was implying. Also the way you had said it I assumed the brush was premium and the paint was the server. Because the brush help you better use the paint… also because of the fact that you're buying a brush… You don't buy the server, you buy premium.
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Since you got lost along the way this is what I meant:

Store = Server
Paint Brush = Prem
The Paint = Is anything that I want to do on the server. I mean I could use the paint using my hands its just a paint brush makes it easier.

 

[Zacatero]

Regardless… The idea of it now that a lot of the premium features are available to everyone, that you shouldn't need to get premium anymore, is a very destructive idea.

 

[Lizmun]

I would gladly keep donating, if not for my parents telling me that I'm no longer allowed to use my credit card on minecraft servers. Oops.

 

[Kidmodo]

Regardless… The idea of it now that a lot of the premium features are available to everyone, that you shouldn't need to get premium anymore, is a very destructive idea.

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No it's a logical idea. I don't pay for things when I don't need them

 

[Sir_Daragon]

i bought the 1 year prem in like ocotber.... if i still ahve a steady job by then(current economy is trash(west canada)) then i will buy prem cause you can make portals, and people under estimate that. of course you might not need it all the time, but when you need it its there. but my favorite part is the /rename.

 

[Zacatero]

i bought the 1 year prem in like ocotber.... if i still ahve a steady job by then(current economy is trash(west canada)) then i will buy prem cause you can make portals, and people under estimate that. of course you might not need it all the time, but when you need it its there. but my favorite part is the /rename.

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Yes the /rename is amazing

 

[MonMarty]

I can't go too far into the specifics at the risk of shedding financial information that is confidential, but we have this cool /s income feature on the server where Direction can see the taxable income and all its sources. It's far too early to draw any proper conclusions, and while premium income is dropping overall, "new" premium income is actually on the increase (just from 119$ to 121$) while Gift4All purchases are more than making up for the loss in premium figures.

Obviously like I said, these numbers only reflect a couple days worth of statistics, but they certainly dispel any bleak future predictions for me, if Gift4All is already this popular when we haven't even started implementing all of the other ideas yet, then I am looking forward to the future with no worry on my mind.

 

[xSketchedCrystal]

I have not read any of the other comments, and I'm just going to speak out,
I donate to thank the people who made the server.

 

[Aespair]

Now I ask you a question.

If I don't need to paint then why would I buy a paint brush?

If you don't need something then why spend the extra money on it.

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Modo if you want me to paint your shed, just ask man.

In all seriousness, it's about supporting the store that sells the paint. Let's say, the store started giving away paint for free because the super macho paint company said they had to. Everyone who couldn't afford the paint is having a field day. Everyone's painting houses, fences, you name it. Hell, even the kids are painting the walls, but I digress. Now the store has no source of income, and it's the only store now that is decent AND gives away paint for free.

Then, it needs those who were supporting it before to help them through this rough time.

 

[Legoclub22]

I like metaphors sometimes, but DemonicDagger's were too confusing! XD
So say there is a club, called MassiveClub. MassiveClub has no entry fee, and is really fun for everyone. The only thing more fun than MassiveClub, is the VIP lounge of MassiveClub, where you pay for a membership, and get many more perks and benefits. MassiveClub makes it's money off of the VIP lounge, as it is letting most people in for free. Yes, they can spend money on Cakes, or Fancy Model Armor/Weapons, but they don't get into the VIP lounge for that, and memberships are still it's prime income. One day, the FBI comes over on a drug bust and arrests everyone, and takes all the Marijuana from the VIP lounge. People who pay for a VIP membership now no longer get any Marijuana, and most members got arrested that night, or don't think it's safe because the other guys got arrested. MassiveClub starts to go broke, and has to offer the Marijuana to everyone to stay afloat. The people who once were, or were considering buying VIP membership now no longer want to, after all, they don't get free Marijuana! Why pay? So only the few who realize they pay just to keep their favorite club keep paying, and it isn't enough. Pretty soon, MassiveClub goes bankrupt, it's staff all quit, not having been payed in months, and it's owner, Crayola Man, commits suicide.
The end!
(Such dramatic ending. XD(Whaat? You don't like it? Fine, alternate ending: It's owner, Crayola Man, goes into a deep dark state of depression and debt for the rest of his days.)

 

[FireFan96]

Spoiler: So moral of the story

Honestly, why use a metaphor when the exact thing is fine? We all play massive, so we already know.

 

[Ampers07]

Regardless… The idea of it now that a lot of the premium features are available to everyone, that you shouldn't need to get premium anymore, is a very destructive idea.

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Alrighty, I can see the positive side of having prem. features like the backpack and workbench available to all. I love the ability to carry a lot of stuff and being able to work on the spot .

A question I have is what's the logic behind removing the xp level and item keep upon death from all instead of sharing that as well like the other stuff? Or even keeping those features prem.?

 

[Legoclub22]

Alrighty, I can see the positive side of having prem. features like the backpack and workbench available to all. I love the ability to carry a lot of stuff and being able to work on the spot .

A question I have is what's the logic behind removing the xp level and item keep upon death from all instead of sharing that as well like the other stuff? Or even keeping those features prem.?

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The economy is already broken, so if everyone kept items, it would just break more. Besides, it was a special feature for premiums, not a server-wide change. It just wouldn't really be like Minecraft. As for the XP level, idk.

 

[FireFan96]

what's the logic behind removing the xp level and item keep upon death from all instead of sharing that as well like the other stuff? Or even keeping those features prem.?

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Answer for the the first question is because everyone having something is the same as nobody having it.

The second answer is hopefully more satisfying. Basically, keep inventory and xp means that if premiums died, they wouldn't have any worry, since they have the items still. But if a non premium died, they lose everything, which sucks. So since this alters gameplay and gives an unfair advantage to premiums, it was against the EULA.

So back to question #1. Sure everyone could have these perks. But that could have one very bad consequence: XP and item inflation. We already have both of those, but if no one lost anything on death, then the stock just keeps rising. So since everyone loses everything but armor when they die, there is some lowering of item inflation.

 

[HydraLana]

I don't think I'll be buying premium again after my current one runs out, the price is just, murder for a Canadian like me.

 

[Pastellanar]

i still pay because i dont know how to stop paying

 

[Magivore]

I can't even buy Premium on my own, but I'm gonna stack up Regals to trade a player for premium. C: I've got a couple worthful lore items.

 

[Ampers07]

The second answer is hopefully more satisfying. Basically, keep inventory and xp means that if premiums died, they wouldn't have any worry, since they have the items still. But if a non premium died, they lose everything, which sucks. So since this alters gameplay and gives an unfair advantage to premiums, it was against the EULA.

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Ok to this... I didn't and still don't PVP much but didn't prems lost their items and levels upon death when engaged in PVP anyway? So doesn't removing that for everyone just give everyone a disadvantage in say a darkroom situation or random death in the wilderness? To me it just seems more inconvenient?

So back to question #1. Sure everyone could have these perks. But that could have one very bad consequence: XP and item inflation. We already have both of those, but if no one lost anything on death, then the stock just keeps rising. So since everyone loses everything but armor when they die, there is some lowering of item inflation.

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What item inflation specifically are you speaking of? If your speaking of diamond stuff then I counter that with the fact that with a beefed up excavation skill one can get diamonds very easily with sand and none of that is dependent of prems. features.

 

[InDogsWeTrust]

I assume the servers ignoring the EULA are being given a grace period before mojang begins lawsuits. Which will also take time and paperwork.

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Actually! Mojang doesn't need a suit. It's all their software. They also have the right to make changes to the EULA whenever they see fit. Miserable, but that is how it works.

Anyway, as a response to the original post, I agree! Donators are great! We need y'all to keep Massive going.

 

[Jackmo_Jones]

What item inflation specifically are you speaking of? If your speaking of diamond stuff then I counter that with the fact that with a beefed up excavation skill one can get diamonds very easily with sand and none of that is dependent of prems. features.

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No you can't. The drop chance is so low that it would take hours to get even a stack of diamonds. Compare that to mining and the same amount of time with a Silk Touch pick an Super Breaker to collect ore blocks will give you 3 ore blocks for every ore block found with Maxed out Mining which you can further increase the diamonds collected by using a Fortune 3 pick to break all the ore blocks you collected and in that same amount of time you can get a stack of diamond blocks.

 

[Ampers07]

No you can't. The drop chance is so low that it would take hours to get even a stack of diamonds. Compare that to mining and the same amount of time with a Silk Touch pick an Super Breaker to collect ore blocks will give you 3 ore blocks for every ore block found with Maxed out Mining which you can further increase the diamonds collected by using a Fortune 3 pick to break all the ore blocks you collected and in that same amount of time you can get a stack of diamond blocks.

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Are you trying to say that mining is better than digging?

 

[BronzeRabbit]

These Metaphores are nice but put simply a private server relies on a server computer from somewhere that requires money for UPKEEP DDOS protection and other various things to keep jerks like Hackers Anonymous from doing a event like umm....--->

The December 20014 DDOS attacks on Xbox and PS Networks.. OR did u people forget? Private MMO servers that do well and tick people off in the proceess through their errors or being inconsiderate and WHO did NOT have DDOS protection their whole servers were wiped and everything gone. Donations help provide for these litte things to protect UR GAME ITEMS from Getting Wiped on a private server and the price for their server machine to have a web interface for our computers to communicate with their PC costs money.

Yeah the loose xp and items except armor NERF sucks but Microsoft has a bunch of TROLLS anyway who sit at their cushy building over In Bellevue Washington while their lower payed counter parts work over seas for 50 times less of pay than the Trolls in Bellevue Washington do..

did anyone ever see a old school Simpson's episode where homer started a business and MR Bill Gates found out? Well Gates offered to buy Homer out only he did NOT do it with buying him out he had His security men Destroy all his stuff then laughed and Stated "you did not think i get rich by writing a lot of checks" while having a evil laugh.
Microsoft and Apple do what they do and as long as what they state is in writing and a disclaimer with it they can do. ACDC MONEY TALKS >< Not to mention if a Government dont get their Cut of money out of a under the table trade they get mad yet they dont balance a budget worth crud....

 

[Lithiel]

Sorry, but I'm stuck as a dirty "cheapo"
I feel bad for not donating but I'm poor as F**k.
I dont even have lunch money. I have toast in the morning and go all day with no food unless they have some in the long house at school.
It will be nice when I finally have a job after graduation, but till then I guess I'll have to bow my head in shame at my white colored username.. Sorry to let you down massivecraft staff.