Horse Update Economy Change
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celticwitch
Grand Priestess of The Oldt Fayth
Ha! It will increase and drop in few items, everyone would want to store and keep mules horses and ect for battles, raids and wars! Oh I wish there was an owl for war that would be wonderful but put that last comment aside.
The prices of horses will go up and even though non premiums cannot craft armour they can still buy the armour from premiums, this will let the premiums have more money in other words.
I fell like premiums are always getting the best over non-premiums. I am a good pvper, but the premiums hog the diamond armor, and suddenly they get to make horse armor (which everyone should be able to do) which makes even our horses seem second rate. And i kinda doubt that a premium will be nice enough to give the non prems horse armor... or name tags. If anyone disagrees, please tell me your thoughts.
Good point
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Well, well.
I think it ain't gonna change that much...
Since most bigger factions have at least one premium, many ppl will have no probs if those prems aren't assh*les...
Maybe some items will recieve better prices like string perhaps, so I gonna start hoarding em
I also think, that there will be a horse market, wich I myself will start..
so:
there will be some small changes, but I guess there won't be a big differene
I think it ain't gonna change that much...
Since most bigger factions have at least one premium, many ppl will have no probs if those prems aren't assh*les...
Maybe some items will recieve better prices like string perhaps, so I gonna start hoarding em
I also think, that there will be a horse market, wich I myself will start..
so:
there will be some small changes, but I guess there won't be a big differene
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Then again, without fishing, a lot of the diamond and gold in the worlds would be worth even more, as it would need to take time mining to obtain, and the constant issue of the gold being eaten and the diamond getting shattered.
Grailen
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Yes and that would follow natural economics because there would be a finite about of gold and diamonds in the world and it would have to be gathered where as fishing allows people to draw on a infinite amount.
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Well, yes but...
Don't you think that-
*Doesn't know how to flame*
I see your point.
Yes, that is how it's always been, do you think that it should be different? (Please no premium too op in this thread, please.)
They are not second rate, you can get just as strong horses, you just have to work for it a bit more.
http://forums.massivecraft.com/threads/free-horse-armour-for-non-premiums.7581/#post-66777The search function is there for a reason.
SilverAlbatross
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Its a well known fact that leather is worth more than diamonds on massivecraft and that cows are scarce, as they are the only way to get leather, but horses will drop leather, meaning that you can farm them too, this means that the price of leather will drop by 50%, a bad thing for the people who sell leather, but good for those who dont.
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Horse armor is not normally craftable, be grateful that massivecraft is allowing anyone at all to be able to craft horse armor.
Because those are building materials. Horse armor is good for one thing, and one thing only. PvP.
Wouldn't you like to see more buildings with nice-looking materials put into them, instead of more blood-crazed PvPers on horses with diamond god armor?
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Wait, this is a roleplay server right? So why do we need MORE pvp focused gear? In fact, what's the roleplay reason behind this?
Blacksmith: Ho traveler, what do you need me to make for ye!
Traveler: Hullo! I require nothing major, simply a set of iron or diamond armor for my horse here.
Blacksmith: Sorry sir, but I can't do that.
Traveler: Why?
Blacksmith: I just can't, but that breadmaker there can.
Traveler: Wait, how can a breadmaker make armor for my horse, but you can't.
Blacksmith: Because he has a green name.
Fourth wall breaks
Blacksmith: Ho traveler, what do you need me to make for ye!
Traveler: Hullo! I require nothing major, simply a set of iron or diamond armor for my horse here.
Blacksmith: Sorry sir, but I can't do that.
Traveler: Why?
Blacksmith: I just can't, but that breadmaker there can.
Traveler: Wait, how can a breadmaker make armor for my horse, but you can't.
Blacksmith: Because he has a green name.
Fourth wall breaks
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Blacksmith: Ho traveler, what do you need me to make for ye!
Traveler: Hullo! I require nothing major, simply a set of iron or diamond armor for my horse here.
Blacksmith: Sorry sir, but I can't do that.
Traveler: Why?
Blacksmith: I'm afraid I lack the experience to make such sets
Traveler: Ah such a shame.
Blacksmith: Indeed! But you should ask my friend Greenioly!
Traveler: I will, thank you.
Fourth wall - Did not break.
Traveler: Hullo! I require nothing major, simply a set of iron or diamond armor for my horse here.
Blacksmith: Sorry sir, but I can't do that.
Traveler: Why?
Blacksmith: I'm afraid I lack the experience to make such sets
Traveler: Ah such a shame.
Blacksmith: Indeed! But you should ask my friend Greenioly!
Traveler: I will, thank you.
Fourth wall - Did not break.
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Traveler: Hi, are you Greenioly?
Greenioly: Indeed I am!
Traveler: Ah so you can craft a set of iron or diamond horse armor for me?
Greenioly: I could if you asked me yesterday, but sadly today I can't.
Traveler: Wait, why? I thought you had the experience and skill! How long have you been a blacksmith?
Greenioly: Since Ellador was discovered, my dear traveler.
Traveler: Then why can't you craft diamond armor? Ellador was discovered long, long ago! Surely you have the experience and materials!
Greenioly: Sadly the magic that keeps my name green wore off yesterday because I didn't keep paying money to Aloria.
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Greenioly: Indeed I am!
Traveler: Ah so you can craft a set of iron or diamond horse armor for me?
Greenioly: I could if you asked me yesterday, but sadly today I can't.
Traveler: Wait, why? I thought you had the experience and skill! How long have you been a blacksmith?
Greenioly: Since Ellador was discovered, my dear traveler.
Traveler: Then why can't you craft diamond armor? Ellador was discovered long, long ago! Surely you have the experience and materials!
Greenioly: Sadly the magic that keeps my name green wore off yesterday because I didn't keep paying money to Aloria.
Fouth Wall breaks
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Why not just let the non-perms craft iron armor and not dia ? It gives some protection but it still allows perms to get something of a "upperhand" when it comes to armor quality.
Are you serious? When you RP, you work with the things that you have, if you lost the ability to sit at the computer every day you make up RP for that.
"My friend, why have I not seen you around town lately?"
"My mom said I could not be at the computer"
^That is not how you handle it, that is not even RP.
"My friend, why have I not seen you around town lately?"
"I appreciate that you ask, I caught the flu and had to rest at home"
That is how you could handle it. Now, apply the same thinking to this situation. If you are a new blacksmith, simply tell him that you do not have the knowledge to craft a diamond armor for a horse. If you previously were premium and crafted it, tell him that you no longer craft it because
1. It's too much work
2. You lost the tools that are needed
3. You promised a friend that you would let him make it.
etc
Do not expect the server to RP for you, think of solutions yourself, right now you are putting yourself in a situation where you are the victim, this is not the case. You are allowed to play on the server for free, and you are allowed to do 95% of the stuff on it for free. If someone who pays money to keep the server up gets the ability to RP a TINY bit easier in ONE situation, is that really something to complain about? I understand that you might feel cheated, but the admins have no obligation to even let regular players equip their horses with armor.
I do not agree with all of the things that premiums get, I agree that they should be stripped on some of their advantages, but this is not the thread for it, and this is one of the good advantages that they get, because it provides no real advantage in combat, only advantage in how you acquire it.
Not being premium does not make it hard to RP, if so, you need to work on your RP.
Admitting that someone else might be right is something few people do. Thanks for actually reading my entire post.
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It's gonna be more ****ed after we could fish Horse armor!
XSacrificeXzb
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First of all, Yes...maybe Non-premiums would be able to craft horse armor (iron ones) but i am a little bit tired of hearing all of you guys whining about how you guys think it's unfair to for non-premiums and always complains. Instead, come up with some sort of balance and something which could improve the non-premiums without dragging down the premiums. We premiums donates money not just because we would like to have the stuff but with keep the server running, without us there wouldn't be such a good quality in Massivecraft and without premiums the server wouldn't be up and running for so long. Unless you would had to donate every month just to keep the server up, but that's the way Cayorion thanks us for donating. And we would like to see Massivecraft develope more and see how great it will be, also some of the players love the server. Just like me. And i would like to see it grow.
Tuxyz
You can also say that you fell of a horse and got injured and you broke your arm so you can't make any.
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It's interesting how some make the argument that this is more a RP server and not so much a PvP server, but yet I can only wonder if most of the money being generated by donations comes from PvPers wanting to gain access to diamond armor.
I suppose the counter argument could be made that some RPers are just going to donate anyway or want diamond armor for RPing purposes, but since diamond armor seems to be the main motivator and something that the staff is unwilling to entertain it's removal as a benefit for premium it only make sense that this is focused to appeal more to PvPers than RPers. Yet PvPers seem to be shunned by some in the community (including moderators wanting to change rules to the detriment of PvP activity) I've noticed on a daily basis, weird...
Anyway something to think about.
I suppose the counter argument could be made that some RPers are just going to donate anyway or want diamond armor for RPing purposes, but since diamond armor seems to be the main motivator and something that the staff is unwilling to entertain it's removal as a benefit for premium it only make sense that this is focused to appeal more to PvPers than RPers. Yet PvPers seem to be shunned by some in the community (including moderators wanting to change rules to the detriment of PvP activity) I've noticed on a daily basis, weird...
Anyway something to think about.
I'll love the horses. I will deck them out with iron armor. If I get into a faction I applied for then I might make a stable.
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Blacksmith: Sorry, I can no longer make armor for your wonderful horse because I no longer have the proper permits from Regalia.
Cielian
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Premium is intended to have the majority of the pvp perks. Also, our server, though Rp themed, is a place that offers something for everyone including PvPers.
celticwitch
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Very clever way of looking at it, and I totally agree. The reason they apparently need more pvp focused gear for premiums is because they call it "rewarding" the doners, which we all no isn't the case. You are infact BUYING the privileges to things other servers would allow anyway, and find other ways to make money.
The excuse that this is a role-play focused server is crap, or else this would be changed, and other methods would be looked at when trying to make money to "make the server better", like giving the Premiums role-play bonuses, E.g more actions Punch, Kick, Laugh, Dance & even abilities that no one else can have - Added potions, crafting different enchantments, etc.
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That seems like a desperate save. Non premiums should be allowed to craft iron horse armor. It gives them some defence against premiums wearing god armor riding horses plated in diamond armor riding up to a non premium wearing iron armor riding a horse plated in nothing. Yeah. Us premiums just got stupidly god.
:O for cereal?
Watchdogeditor
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Fire, you have to admit he has a point
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We don't even have any statistics or evidence of how pvp will develop after the release of horses. I don't think anyone can make any realistic predictions yet.
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But he has a point, giving non-premiums nothing and giving the premiums all armors, is unfair. Even a premium on a horse in iron armor would have a far greater advantage then a non-premium on a horse without one. Triple that with diamond armor. Just give the non-premiums iron armor, give them something of a chance.
