Flintlock Or Matchlock Pistols?

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Well first of all Hello I am TazeHD Or Jack Merceir.
So, I was wondering is it possible that early models of the flintlock and matchlock pistols were invented in the time period Massivecraft is set in? point being, I would really like to use them while Role-playing as my "weapon of choice".
I also ask this because cannons are around, and maybe an inventor has come up with a hand held cannon "Flintlock or matchlock pistol", Seeing this as an acceptable weapon would be just wonderful.

Being that this is not exactly real life and there are more races that are possibly more advanced in technology then Humans, is this allowed and is it possible?

Please also leave some feed back bellow in the comments :)
 
In-game, I doubt it is possible to code within the limits of bukkit plugins. In roleplay only, on the forums, and in chat -action- roleplaying, then I believe it is legal. But again, not actually in-game as a plugin. It would be a good thing to have though, along with crossbows and other things. If they can be coded in a bukkit plugin, yes they would be great. Otherwise, and likely even if, they will only be in role-play.
 
Cruallassar said:
In-game, I doubt it is possible to code within the limits of bukkit plugins. In roleplay only, on the forums, and in chat -action- roleplaying, then I believe it is legal. But again, not actually in-game as a plugin. It would be a good thing to have though, along with crossbows and other things. If they can be coded in a bukkit plugin, yes they would be great. Otherwise, and likely even if, they will only be in role-play.
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Yes I only meant for Role Play purposes since the coding of a plugin would take up too much time and is not really needed. but yes would be very nice to have a Plugin that added this. (Also you could just use another item already in game that looks similar to a Pistol of some sort).
 
TazeHD said:
Yes I only meant for Role Play purposes since the coding of a plugin would take up too much time and is not really needed. but yes would be very nice to have a Plugin that added this. (Also you could just use another item already in game that looks similar to a Pistol of some sort).
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Like what, a fire work?
 
It was fairly tempting for Yani to use Flintlock / Matchlock pistols as his weapon of choice instead of a bow, but I decided to just make it a bow due to Yani's poor background. I recall the era of Massive being set a few hundred years after B.C, but I have no idea, really.
 
Perhaps if a very unused item is retextured, i see it happen with other resource packs when a server cannot make a new item. This is a very cool idea, perhaps they do like a diamond sword damage, and the person can bleed. Also, if the ammunition is made from iron, it can make a lead bullet that withers someone instead of the bleed, considering lead is decently toxic when in the blood.
 
Toxiclord said:
Perhaps if a very unused item is retextured, i see it happen with other resource packs when a server cannot make a new item. This is a very cool idea, perhaps they do like a diamond sword damage, and the person can bleed. Also, if the ammunition is made from iron, it can make a lead bullet that withers someone instead of the bleed, considering lead is decently toxic when in the blood.
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To fire it you should need Gunpowder and a piece of iron in the inventory. But yes what you have said is quite a nice idea.
 
If we can look for items in the game that are not actually usable, that would be a easy thing to retexture. It needs its own crafting recipe though
 
From what I've read in the lore, Humans were the ones who engineered the use of gunpowder to be used in cannons (cannon plugin). If anyone were technologically advanced it would be humans, if not dwarves.
 
Ozgho said:
From what I've read in the lore, Humans were the ones who engineered the use of gunpowder to be used in cannons (cannon plugin). If anyone were technologically advanced it would be humans, if not dwarves.
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I would have leant more towards Dwarves but yes you are correct in that Humans are the Only ones "recorded" That have found uses for Gunpowder.
 
Humans or dwarves makes sense. As far as I know there is no lore regarding anything like pistols, so the admins will have to make such lore and have the final say on whether or not pistols can be used.
 
MonMarty

Well if its possible do you mind clearing this out for me?

if so what are ways we could use this type of weapon in Role-Play ?
 
Ok no guns how about daggers? I'm sure you can use a plugin to make the deal large damage from behind. Maybe use shears since it makes sense to us a small knife to cut branches.
 
Billy Rage said:
Ok no guns how about daggers? I'm sure you can use a plugin to make the deal large damage from behind. Maybe use shears since it makes sense to us a small knife to cut branches.
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When I posted this I didnt mean to code or create a plugin of any kind, It was simply just a question weather or not these were allowed in Role-Play.
 
MonMarty said:
No is the most simple and short answer.
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so in massive craft's era (1550-1650 to compare to our world) cannons have been invented and around but these smaller cannons or these so called guns have not. And humans are told to be the most inventive and evolving race. Seems legit.

Billy Rage said:
Ok no guns how about daggers? I'm sure you can use a plugin to make the deal large damage from behind. Maybe use shears since it makes sense to us a small knife to cut branches.
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now all i can think about is using sheers to kill someone from behind. Make sheers a "ok" weapon to use as daggers please?
 
I'm not entirely savvy in the world of firearms, but I'm pretty sure that smaller firearms didn't become very popular until the 1800's. During the 1500's - 1600's, which the server closely follows, the closest thing you could get would be a hand cannon.
 
patrickdxs said:
so in massive craft's era (1550-1650 to compare to our world) cannons have been invented and around but these smaller cannons or these so called guns have not. And humans are told to be the most inventive and evolving race. Seems legit.
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Understand the context. The reason why OP wants flitnlock pistols, is to be a flintlock pistol weilding pirate mercenary dude. There are several problems with this.

Matchlock, Serpentine and Flintlock pistols are cumbersome and uneconomic, in order for them to be ready at all times, a fuse must be lit and burning at a constant pace, which according to one article, would require one mile of matchlock fuse per year. An Aquebus or flintlock rifle has an extremely complex firing mechanism that involves not only setting up, but also lenghty aim times and an extreme rate of misfire, failure in mechanism. Bottom line is, unless the person wanting to use guns specifically, it can only really be pulled off by a sniper assassin sitting at a spot for hours during a day waiting for the right time and moment for his mark to appear and then attempt to kill it, with a severe chance for misfire. If anyone wants to be a gun weilding badass, they can forget about it. That didn't happen untill the late 1800's with the first practical bolt action rifles and pistols for common use.

The secondary problem is affording the wealth to actually acquire a well functioning properly made rifle. Construction of these weapons is extremely complex and expensive. Troughout history, bolt action and more practical fire arms were made, though they were often only made for royalty or extremely wealthy nobles due to the fact that every barrel and every bullet had to be hand made for the specific weapon. Anyone that isn't of such high birth would not be able to afford such a functional weapon.

Since the options are so limited, we'd like players not to get involved with them. It might be an interesting suggestion for me to write up a suggestion list of weapons though, as some form of inspiration, or an indicator of limitations to certain weapons.
 
MonMarty said:
It might be an interesting suggestion for me to write up a suggestion list of weapons though, as some form of inspiration, or an indicator of limitations to certain weapons.
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That might be a good idea, actually. I spent quite a while thinking of weapons for my characters that weren't too popular but also not "special snowflake"-esque. Also, maybe there should be an extremely difficult RP way of getting a rifle? As in, just too difficult for anyone non-nobility to achieve?
 
well MonMarty has told me all i need about pistols, they technically exist but are so horrible to use that they are just very inaccurate and generally bad weapons, that's all i needed to know and will most likely be keeping out of the guns business for now.
 
Cruallassar said:
In-game, I doubt it is possible to code within the limits of bukkit plugins. In roleplay only, on the forums, and in chat -action- roleplaying, then I believe it is legal. But again, not actually in-game as a plugin. It would be a good thing to have though, along with crossbows and other things. If they can be coded in a bukkit plugin, yes they would be great. Otherwise, and likely even if, they will only be in role-play.
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I don't know I think it'd be possible to make something that shoots like a bow but with much less range and more power.

If this is implemented the recources to make ammo should be fairly time consuming and difficult. Maybe make a firework but also add some iron and flint.
 
I agree with shears being daggers and they make sence too ... all you would need was a retexture in the texture-pack
 
I have a "crossbow", which is just a bow renamed, with Power 2 on it.
 
Gotta get this out there- These things (early ones) failed ALL the time. Misfires a plenty with a slim chance of blow up in your face and kill you. As cool as it would be, impractical and just as dangerous to you as others. It won't be so great when it explodes in your face and your opponent is standing over you laughing...
 
WhiteApache said:
Gotta get this out there- These things failed ALL the time. Misfires a plenty with a slim chance of blow up in your face and kill you. As cool as it would be, impractical and just as dangerous to you as others.
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Impractical unless you dedicated your entire life to learning the art of them, and even then its still fairly hit and miss. If you want to the the "firearm of the time" (thats the crossbow. It was actually banned for crusaders to use during one of the crusades by the Vatican because they felt that it allowed for men to kill each other too easily. That changed after the crusade though, seeing how the other side had no issue with using it.) then use a crossbow. It can be a large one for bigger 'caliber' (however you measure bolt size), or something closer to a pistol if that's what you need. Regardless, its one of the easiest weapons you can learn to use.
 
I would like to second the motion for daggers.
Crossbows I have no idea how you'd do really... You could have a recipe that would craft a bow with Pow already on it, and that's named Crossbow But I see no way to retexture that without also changing the regular bow. At least only using Bukkit. Could be made of 3 iron bars curved over 2 vertical wooden planks (optionally add 2 string, if the iron is placed in a line at top instead of a curve)
 
Yeah, guns only started appearing in the late 1600's. The first era to actually use guns was The Golden Age Of Pirates I believe. In the 1800's is when guns started getting more used in wars. So, according to lore, flintlocks pistols cannot and will not be possible.
 
TSORR16 said:
Yeah, guns only started appearing in the late 1600's. The first era to actually use guns was The Golden Age Of Pirates I believe. In the 1800's is when guns started getting more used in wars. So, according to lore, flintlocks pistols cannot and will not be possible.
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((read up this discussion for guns is already over IF they existed they are not usable in any realistic fashion and such no one would use them. The first guns did appear in the late 1500s but were inaccurate, cumbersome, and a nuisance.))
 
Eh, I can see how they would be impossible....but.....that's just the gun toting pirate badass. Otherwise you could probably have a gun (non-flint lock or matchlock) just would be about 5ft long and take somewhere from 5-10 min between reloads.
 
I have a "crossbow" with pow 4 on it.

You just have to use your mind's eye on some things.
 

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