Archived Elytra Wings Idea For Lore (and More 1.9 Item Lore Brainstorm Ideas, I Guess)

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Hey guys, Tra_kad here.

So, 1.9. Big update coming up for Minecraft, based upon combat shenanigans. Of course with a server where many parts of the RP has some sort of conflict and the other half of the server is actually fighting Pvp style, there's many things that people should consider in both PvP terms and Lore terms. One of the major, more recent add ons to the snapshots has been the creation of the Elytra wings/glider: Basically a hang-glider for Minecraft. In the case that we actually get to be able to use these in Massivecraft somehow, I'd like to throw out some random role play suggestions that I thought of that could probably work with the current lore for the Elytra to exist in Aloria:
1. Some noble/Dwarf Invention: This is probably the most viable option since there could be some sort of random inventor charecter that decides 'screw it I wanna go flying' and make some wings. In this case I'd recommend that there'd be some sort of plugin to nerf it's flying span far more then it is, and make it reserved basically only to the inventor and other people in high places that can pay for a device like it.
2. Some artifact of the Tigrans/Seraph/Whatever other Ancient Race there is: Again, plugin to nerf the flight span and reserved to high ranking people like nobles. However with this case, it could help expand the Archaeology Lore evidently being written out by our lovely lore staff. Maybe you could even put it up as an decoration in a museum so more people can at least look at it.

I (as well as some friends) have also toyed with the concept that the Mekket races use them as actual wings. However I don't think the lore allows them to have wings and it'd be pretty hard with the current plugins to allow only Mekket playing RP'ers to have these. I'm personally just throwing some ideas at the wall to see what sticks with the public, and maybe - just maybe - we get to take to the skies of Aloria.

Keep in mind that I also think that the Elytra could come to an incredible, and most likely overpowered item for people in PvP, getting someone Elytra wings and flying them over a faction wall would be incredibly cool, but also presumably incredibly hard to fight back against, and most people could probably find this as cheating or something. Again, personally I think that there could be a plugin to shorten the flight span of the Elytra. How that could work, I'm personally not sure. In all frankness I'm pretty sure the Elytra won't be used at all in massive right now due to it's current only place of acquiring it is in the End, and of course we don't really have an End dimension in Massive right now. But I guess we will see what people decide to do with it...

Also, if there's any other item in 1.9 coming up that you think could be in Massivecraft and utilized in lore somehow that I don't know about, by all means go ahead and bring it up: I'd love to see more Minecraft items become utilized into the lore of Aloria. :3
 
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I think Elytra should be a super-rare item you get from voting. That'd help massive a LOT! Or donate to get one. Or it comes with premium.
 
I don't think they should be added at all. They would be even worse for PvP than Flywater has been. It's just be too easy for people to get away from fights. People gonna start building in the mountains so they can just slap on their wings and sail away from danger.
 
KeijiMaeda13 said:
I think Elytra should be a super-rare item you get from voting. That'd help massive a LOT! Or donate to get one. Or it comes with premium.
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I kinda thought about that, it'd definitely have to be extremely rare. Not so sure about the Premium part, but it's a thought.
 
I would like to see these implemented. There will have to be a custom recipe of course since its not a craftable item in vanilla. But perhaps make it difficult to craft. I think it will make adventuring more fun. @Jackmo_Jones remember that pvp isnt the ONLY thing on the server. Maybe it will make PVP a bit different... But i think this will be a great addition.
 
I really hope this gets through. I can imagine some noble slapping them onto a Klein and seeing what happens.
 
Jackmo_Jones said:
I don't think they should be added at all. They would be even worse for PvP than Flywater has been. It's just be too easy for people to get away from fights. People gonna start building in the mountains so they can just slap on their wings and sail away from danger.
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Like I said, I do also think that it would be overpowered for PVP, which is why I'm also trying to think of ways to nerf it, maybe be weakening it's duration or it's flight-time duration with plugins. Or maybe people using it have less health? Honestly I was thinking of it more as a way to get over faction walls, but I can see the escape plan thing happening. Also making it an incredibly rare voting item (in terms of OOC having it, at least) this should mean that not many people acquire it while on the server, making an mass escape using this pretty much mute.
 
znake1468 said:
I would like to see these implemented. There will have to be a custom recipe of course since its not a craftable item in vanilla. But perhaps make it difficult to craft. I think it will make adventuring more fun...
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I personally actually think that it shouldn't be a craftable item, or if it is, make it incredibly hard to craft or (Dare I say it?) premium only-craftable. I think keeping it to a voting item only could ensure that not everyone is running around with it: While I concur that I'd love adventuring with it, keep in mind it should probably be kept to adventuring with those with the means of actually acquiring a device like this, I.G. A Thief, Noble, Inventor, ect.
 
Tra_kad said:
I personally actually think that it shouldn't be a craftable item, or if it is, make it incredibly hard to craft or (Dare I say it?) premium only-craftable. I think keeping it to a voting item only could ensure that not everyone is running around with it: While I concur that I'd love adventuring with it, keep in mind it should probably be kept to adventuring with those with the means of actually acquiring a device like this, I.G. A Thief, Noble, Inventor, ect.
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I don't think that requiring role-play for this item would be necessary… However I do think that a good way to have to acquire it would be voting.
 
I want it added to PvE. I don't care what others think about how it will ruin pvp as it adds much more to strafing, high McMMO skills and potions. Also adding it to be like an inventors creation would be nice as man has always wanted to fly. People could argue it is a way of fleeing but then again they are also ender pearls.
 
znake1468 said:
I don't think that requiring role-play for this item would be necessary… However I do think that a good way to have to acquire it would be voting.
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I know, it's just that more people I think will probably focus on RP with this thing then anything else. It could certainly be used as a raiding/get away tool for PVP but like I've mentioned before, nerfing it, yadda yadda. I never meant to impress that I wanted to require Role-play on this item, just more give it a reason for it to be in Roleplay, and why people would have it, if that makes any sense.
 
Make it impossible to use within 5 minutes of being hit by another player, and it ought to be fine. The possibility of using it during pvp, however, would make it easier to run from fights than it currently is (which is not a good thing).
 
65jes89 said:
Make it impossible to use within 5 minutes of being hit by another player, and it ought to be fine. The possibility of using it during pvp, however, would make it easier to run from fights than it currently is (which is not a good thing).
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What if it's someone minding their own business, perhaps just walking around. It should be if you hit someone, they can't be used until PvP Active is off.
 
65jes89 said:
Make it impossible to use within 5 minutes of being hit by another player, and it ought to be fine. The possibility of using it during pvp, however, would make it easier to run from fights than it currently is (which is not a good thing).
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Remember that to activate... you MUST fall from at least 4 blocks, and you cant really go up. Most raids happen on rather flat ground.
 
znake1468 said:
Remember that to activate... you MUST fall from at least 4 blocks, and you cant really go up. Most raids happen on rather flat ground.
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Also as a add on: Unless you stall, you honestly don't really go that fast while gliding, so it honestly probably wouldn't be hard for a good archer to hit someone gliding along.
 
StereoTurtle said:
What if it's someone minding their own business, perhaps just walking around. It should be if you hit someone, they can't be used until PvP Active is off.
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That's only 30 seconds and is incredibly easy to get. If you're just minding your own business, you're most likely in a city, in which case you can go into a house.
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Remember that to activate... you MUST fall from at least 4 blocks, and you cant really go up. Most raids happen on rather flat ground.
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Most pvp bases also have either high walls or towers. SunKiss has walls around it, deldrimor has a giant tower, castle, and warzone, Raptum has their palace thing, etc, etc. In almost all cases you could pretty easily enderpearl onto something high and jump off.
 
No clue how this will affect PVP in the future, but these wings can't fly endless really. Furthermore you can't wear your full armor with these wings on (chest plate is missing). So you would be vulnerable when you come on the ground and you need time to switch armor. And when you are on the ground you won't get the chance to get up again that fast. You need to climb up a mountain again. I tried these wings in single player and it went kinda fast. You will pass the average faction in not more then ten seconds... And if you keep circling above the faction, you will glide to the ground slowly anyway. In conclusion; I don't think the Elytra wings will be very handy in pvp.

In this update, archery will have a way more important role. You can switch faster between the bow and axe/sword. A knockback2 sword and bow could be nearly OP.

Furthermore, what factions are so high located that you can glide thousand of blocks away from? None really. Magnanimus is situated higher, but it's easy to pearl of the hill and run after the glider with speed2. I don't see the problem of running away really. By the way, if these wings would be rare, what player would risk them in pvp? None I guess.

These things shouldn't be in Regalia though. Imagine all people jumping of roofs, while gliding to the ground, while people RP. That would ruin Regalia. New and childish acting people will just troll around. Mehh, something I wouldn't like.
 
65jes89 said:
Most pvp bases also have either high walls or towers. SunKiss has walls around it, deldrimor has a giant tower, castle, and warzone, Raptum has their palace thing, etc, etc. In almost all cases you could pretty easily enderpearl onto something high and jump off.
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Jes it seems to me like in this scenario... I would just pearl out... The wings dont appear to actually have that much of power.
 
65jes89 said:
Most pvp bases also have either high walls or towers. SunKiss has walls around it, deldrimor has a giant tower, castle, and warzone, Raptum has their palace thing, etc, etc. In almost all cases you could pretty easily enderpearl onto something high and jump off.
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How do you get of these walls now then, when you raid these factions? I suppose pearling? That causes the same effect.
Also with the glider you would be an easy projectile for the Deldrimorians that are waiting for you, while you glide lenient to the ground, without wearing your chestplate.
 
JeffAlexW said:
How do you get of these walls now then, when you raid these factions? I suppose pearling? That causes the same effect.
Also with the glider you would be an easy projectile for the Deldrimorians that are waiting for you, while you glide lenient to the ground, without wearing your chestplate.
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Wow. Its true since the wings take the chestplate spot. Actually this might add a bit more fun to PVP in my opinion.
 
Lore-wise... tigrans should invent them. :3
 
Honestly if I could obtain them this is what I would do:
High tower with portal, lower tower with other portal end.
Fill my hotbar with nasty splash pots (poison/harm/slow/etc) dive bomb people with the pots, use momentum to fly to lower tower and use portal to get up to higher tower again. Rinse and repeat.
Also you CAN use them for infinite flight (hint: knockback)

So yeah, I dont think they should be available.
 
Why not just make a plugin to say that whilst someone is gliding they take way more extra damage, to the point that they'll be almost unusable? The only other issue I can see with this is that you can just nerdpole and then jump, which will knock down the price of ender pearls and ender pearl use in general, so definitely cut the actual distance you can glide for without it stopping. Also, trying to make them lore compliant is ridiculous in my personal opinion, think about some of the things we have that aren't compliant, they don't affect rp in any way really so why do these wings have to?
 
CFLPlayer said:
Why not just make a plugin to say that whilst someone is gliding they take way more extra damage, to the point that they'll be almost unusable? The only other issue I can see with this is that you can just nerdpole and then jump, which will knock down the price of ender pearls and ender pearl use in general, so definitely cut the actual distance you can glide for without it stopping. Also, trying to make them lore compliant is ridiculous in my personal opinion, think about some of the things we have that aren't compliant, they don't affect rp in any way really so why do these wings have to?
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Well, it seems like something the Dwarves would make. Or Elves.
 
Just test-flew the Elytra using the latest snapshot, and it was really smooth for me. Flying them is really amazing, especially from third person!
 
After test flying them a bit, I honestly can't see how they would make escaping much easier than enderpearls. I mean, sure, they eliminate the terrain element if you're on high ground and they could probably go farther in a straight line than an enderpearl could be thrown, but they don't teleport or anything. I assume with archery you'd be able to hit a player flying them without a whole lot of difficulty. They also don't fly upwards very well so in pvp they're really only useful for the first few seconds of swooping down at your enemies before you land and either fight or run away.
Also, I've seen a fair few threads about how pvp is becoming less interesting. Everything in this update, elytra included, would definitely help to change that. I'd love to see mountain range battles where both sides swoop down at eachother. It'd be an entirely new situation that would require new strategies, so it would definitely help to spice pvp up a bit.
I might be a little biased about this, but I think they shouldn't only be usable by premiums, just like how I feel all non-cosmetic non-plugin things shouldn't be. Restricting items that the game usually adds would not help server growth mainly because new players could easily go to another server that doesn't restrict items and simply play there. Instead of making it premium only, why not make the crafting recipe expensive, or even make them only craftable by premiums but usable and sellable by everyone?

As far as roleplay goes, I don't see a huge problem with them being the inventions of one of the races. Maybe a Mekket remembered how to make them, or they could be recently rediscovered Tigran/Seraph inventions. I definitely don't think they should be restricted to high ranking people though. That would really only help to create a divide between the nobles and commoners both IC and OOC. Anyways, why have that when you could say they were made from cloth and wood or something simple like that, and have carpenters jumping at the chance to mass produce and sell these new inventions. This could open up more IC businesses of people who sell differently sized gliders for different races which would be interesting.
To moderate them you could say that they are generally illegal in Regalia except for in the park and sporting areas, and maybe have them more common in Silverwind where there would be less people.

Another less probable way of implementing them is through the old Body Mending Magic system they had a while ago. You could make regulated body mending magic common in regalia and they could be literal wings that were permanently grafted onto people to allow them to glide. You could have it looked down on considerably and maybe have people who do it be treated as second class citizens or something. Also with the body mending magic you'd be able to have more diversity in characters. Hair dyes and tattoos could be more common, and while I know people would say that's "special snowflakey," I'd remind them that this is a roleplay server where you express creativity. As long as something doesn't heavily make the character overpowered or take the enjoyment out of roleplaying there isn't much of a problem, is there?
 
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Rinus said:
After test flying them a bit, I honestly can't see how they would make escaping much easier than enderpearls. I mean, sure, they eliminate the terrain element if you're on high ground and they could probably go farther in a straight line than an enderpearl could be thrown, but they don't teleport or anything. I assume with archery you'd be able to hit a player flying them without a whole lot of difficulty. They also don't fly upwards very well so in pvp they're really only useful for the first few seconds of swooping down at your enemies before you land and either fight or run away.
Also, I've seen a fair few threads about how pvp is becoming less interesting. Everything in this update, elytra included, would definitely help to change that. I'd love to see mountain range battles where both sides swoop down at eachother. It'd be an entirely new situation that would require new strategies, so it would definitely help to spice pvp up a bit.
I might be a little biased about this, but I think they shouldn't only be usable by premiums, just like how I feel all non-cosmetic non-plugin things shouldn't be. Restricting items that the game usually adds would not help server growth mainly because new players could easily go to another server that doesn't restrict items and simply play there. Instead of making it premium only, why not make the crafting recipe expensive, or even make them only craftable by premiums but usable and sellable by everyone?

As far as roleplay goes, I don't see a huge problem with them being the inventions of one of the races. Maybe a Mekket remembered how to make them, or they could be recently rediscovered Tigran/Seraph inventions. I definitely don't think they should be restricted to high ranking people though. That would really only help to create a divide between the nobles and commoners both IC and OOC. Anyways, why have that when you could say they were made from cloth and wood or something simple like that, and have carpenters jumping at the chance to mass produce and sell these new inventions. This could open up more IC businesses of people who sell differently sized gliders for different races which would be interesting.
To moderate them you could say that they are generally illegal in Regalia except for in the park and sporting areas, and maybe have them more common in Silverwind where there would be less people.

Another less probable way of implementing them is through the old Body Mending Magic system they had a while ago. You could make regulated body mending magic common in regalia and they could be literal wings that were permanently grafted onto people to allow them to glide. You could have it looked down on considerably and maybe have people who do it be treated as second class citizens or something. Also with the body mending magic you'd be able to have more diversity in characters. Hair dyes and tattoos could be more common, and while I know people would say that's "special snowflakey," I'd remind them that this is a roleplay server where you express creativity. As long as something doesn't heavily make the character overpowered or take the enjoyment out of roleplaying there isn't much of a problem, is there?
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Oh my god. Make a seperate thread for all of that, I love it. Just please, take this from here and make it into something else on a larger scale. Not the stuff about the wings but the creativity things you mentioned and the new playervrestrictions etc. I think that is what has caused us to almost decline in new members atm and you'd be able to put that across very well. So please do!
 
You people do realize that, with the buffs being added to bows, you will be able to blow those suckers right out of the sky. Especially since they won't be wearing a chestplate while they do it, right?
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