Easter Day Massacre

Do you think that it is wrong for rp staff to state these claims

  • yes

    Votes: 9 24.3%

  • I do not know

    Votes: 3 8.1%

  • I do not care

    Votes: 6 16.2%

  • No

    Votes: 19 51.4%
  • Total voters
    37
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Laach said:
In that case, I'm going to have to side with the rebels on this one. The casualties explain the story much better than everyone else's interpretation. And in this story, the guards are the bad guys.
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maybe we misunderstood eachother? with that i meant that no guard died nor inocents did , but that as far as i know every rebel was slaughterd killed
 
Look there was a good reason why this decision was made. Would you rather have people unhappy about their characters being killed? Would you like to be in that situation?
Also, we don't exactly know how man people where afk during this. If you went go open your Easter eggs, and you cam back to someone saying "Sorry mate, your character died" You wouldn't exactly be too happy. And I really don't see why you have made this t because really, there is nothing to argue about. The staff was being nice, I don't see a problem. @trevor_craft
 
trevor_craft said:
well @Laach i don't care if the civilians rp characters live but the guards rp characters should die.
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I don't exactly understand what your reasoning for saying the guard rp characters should die is...
You where arguing the fact that the civ's where not rp killed when they died in pvp, now you are saying you don't care about that and you think the guard should die when non of us died in pvp battle... This does not make sense to me.
 
arthur said:
maybe we misunderstood eachother? with that i meant that no guard died nor inocents did , but that as far as i know every rebel was slaughterd killed
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Wow I am doing a lot of posting here but.

As far as I know there where no guard deaths. The staff have said that no innocents died, and you are right in the fact that the masked where slaughtered (@SupremeCripple can confirm that) but there where a few left I think. I know two had been taken to the prison for interrogation afterwards, I am not sure what happened anyone else who may have escaped.
 
@Pyromaniacal Well, they obviously had a reason to be traitors. And both sides were fighting for a cause. (except guards get paid for their cause.)
In other words, no bad guys means they are both good guys and both don't deserve the trouble that they had received.
 
Im fine with the civilians keeping there characters but when we got slaughtered by the guards we took a couple of them with us which if we loose our characters in the fight then the guards should loose theirs and if they say none of the guards died its because the rp staff are covering the guards back. @Adventurecait8
 
@Laach
I think you're oversimplifying this a tad… it's not 'good guys' and 'bad guys'. It's more a case of 'instigators' and 'protectors'. They may both have been fighting for a cause, but the rebels were the ones who endangered civilians.

Besides, the main point of this thread is OOC; nothing at all to do with good guys and bad guys. And OOC, the rebels knew exactly what they were in for; the civilians did not. And if the guards were instigators all the time, you'd get very few alive guards, and even then only the timid ones who never help anyone or anything.
Guards need the assurance that their character is safe until try decide otherwise, to ensure that anyone would ever actually want to become a guard.
 
Laach said:
In that case, I'm going to have to side with the rebels on this one. The casualties explain the story much better than everyone else's interpretation. And in this story, the guards are the bad guys.
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Why side with metagamers and powergamers though :V
 
trevor_craft said:
Im fine with the civilians keeping there characters but when we got slaughtered by the guards we took a couple of them with us which if we loose our characters in the fight then the guards should loose theirs and if they say none of the guards died its because the rp staff are covering the guards back. @Adventurecait8
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The only full guards I know where there are as follows, me, @BillyA835 and @SupremeCripple . These guards where not in guard armour, and we did not die. I know that some people wearing guard support armour where killed. So please look into these things before declaring who should die and who shouldn't.
I would also like to point out that to me it seems you made this mostly out of anger for losing the battle or your character so, I am going to remind you of the fact that /you/ chose to be on the rebel side. I am not accusing you of doing this, it is just a suggestion I am making. So please don't use the excuse that the staff are covering for the guard, if you are angry about what I just suggested. Once again, I don't want you to feel like I am accusing you of this and I do not mean to upset you at all, I am just pointing out what I see.
 
On the topic of loosing your RP character.
I wasn't involved with this at all but it seems to me that the Civilians probably should keep their Chars even if they died.
However if any guards or rebels died their chars should die. I believe either sides death can be justified under the part in the death rules where it states that if a guard is facing overwhelming forces he will die. And in a fight involving over 30 rebels it was inevitable that a couple guards would be completely surrounded and killed.
 
@Pyromaniacal you're looking at this from a very guard point of view, what you need to do is try and see how the rebels saw all of this. They were outraged by the nobles, the guards, and the government. They had a set target of who they wanted to destroy and would not be appeased until they recieved what they wanted. Which, sadly for them, ended up being death for their targets once they became angry enough. The guards seeing the uproar and the weapons instantly realized that this was a riot spiraling into violence. To put it down, they formed up and killed everyone they suspected to be in the riot. Fighting fire with fire...
In the end, the rebels terms weren't met, and pointless blood was spilled. I see no reason to celebrate. Only a reason to weep for the poor souls that were lost in their attempt to restore justice.
MonMarty said:
Why side with metagamers and powergamers though :V
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I like keeping a balance of opinion. If one side of an argument is winning, I join the opposite side.
 
Adventurecait8 said:
The only full guards I know where there are as follows, me, @BillyA835 and @SupremeCripple . These guards where not in guard armour, and we did not die. I know that some people wearing guard support armour where killed. So please look into these things before declaring who should die and who shouldn't.
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(Once again, so much posting)

But I would also like add something I missed in my last post here. It is the fact that you sound like you picked up the guard support armour, meaning you would know that is was not a real guard that was killed. I think you need to be a little more specific about these things otherwise someone could have their characters killed, who did not deserve to die.

(I couldn't be bothered to edit this into my last post)
 
Laach said:
@Pyromaniacal you're looking at this from a very guard point of view, what you need to do is try and see how the rebels saw all of this. They were outraged by the nobles, the guards, and the government. They had a set target of who they wanted to destroy and would not be appeased until they recieved what they wanted. Which, sadly for them, ended up being death for their targets once they became angry enough. The guards seeing the uproar and the weapons instantly realized that this was a riot spiraling into violence. To put it down, they formed up and killed everyone they suspected to be in the riot. Fighting fire with fire...
In the end, the rebels terms weren't met, and pointless blood was spilled. I see no reason to celebrate. Only a reason to weep for the poor souls that were lost in their attempt to restore justice.
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They kinda where screaming "death to the nobles" and what not.
A lot of the guard are nobility (<----) and even if they where not, I am pretty sure killing a noble or threatening a noble is classed as treason? Maybe.
But you do have a point mate.
 
@Laach
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GG, my friend. You managed to smoothly utterly ignore the larger portion of my point.

As to your point; what outraged them? Civilisation? Law and order? Pointless slaughter? Oh, wait… that last one was caused by the rebels, so… it'd be pretty hypocritical of them to complain about that now, huh?
 
Pyromaniacal said:
@Laach
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GG, my friend. You managed to smoothly utterly ignore the larger portion of my point.

As to your point; what outraged them? Civilisation? Law and order? Pointless slaughter? Oh, wait… that last one was caused by the rebels, so… it'd be pretty hypocritical of them to complain about that now, huh?
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You give me that answer. What could have possibly driven them to this madness? But if you look back on history, riots only happen when the government is doing something incredibly wrong. They aren't just for pointless slaughter. That my friend would be called terrorism, not rebellion.

Also, I already answered the point from your ask earlier. I know what happened out of character, but what happens OOC has little to do with or explain what happened IC.
 
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