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Hello! So I will get into the chase. I have come to the conclusion that, to me at least, White Knight seems to mean something different than what others call it. As sparked by brief chat with Marty on my profile page.
Essentially, After pondering it for 5 hours while working, I want to make this thread, to ask a few simply questions ,and try to determine when RPing as a character with strong morals stops being that, and becomes white knighting. Or what other instances can be perceived as white knighting. The hopes being, I can maybe use the information to make my own character better, because I feel he falls in the gray area a lot, or sometimes goes full White Knight when im being dumb IRL.
So firstly: What is a white knight? Most people define it as a character who gets involved in situations to defend another, because of ideals usually, for no real personal gain.
A point I want to make before the beef of this posts comes in: As I see it, White Knighting can be subjective. I might think my character has a good reason, others may not. For example, say, Player A jumps into a fight because Vampire A is attacking Vampire B. Player A knows Vampire B, and wants to help their friend, but Vampire A doesn't know that, so to them, it looks like White Knighting.
To me, I still don't see my character as a White Knight. I will be forthcoming, since this is all OOC and using it is Meta ;3 , Conf is Jacobin. Heavily. He was raised in an environment where he dealt with tons of people of various races, and cultures, and religions. As a pirate. He knew some hard working Cielothar, some lazy gluttonous Ailor, some mad Drowdar, some peaceable Shendar. All the normal lines get blurred in an environment like that. My character has strong morals as well. Which might be considered snowflakey in a world like Aloria, but he sticks by them.
I have always seen Conf as smarter though. When he was young, yea, he was a moron. Everyone was. He spoke out more, did dumber stuff, etc. But now, he tries to keep it under wraps... Barring my dumb moments IRL where I have him act like IIIIII would act. Yelling, and jumping to defend without a thought. Which isn't how I think he would act. I think he would be more subtle about it. Any comments that have Jacobin sentiments have always been masked with a veil of false devotion to Unionism. "You shouldn't hold the Varran down, it can do good work to redeem itself in the Great Way if you would allow it, and by preventing this you do harm to the True Path" etc etc. My hands move faster than my brain most times though, which I have slowly been trying to fix. My last big screw up was during the riot in front of the Bastion, 1-2 months ago now?
In my eyes, Conf jumping into situations has always been justified by his morals, even when my stupidity makes him go about it in the wrong way, either way he WOULD have gotten involved. I just did it wrong OOCly. And often times, he has found this pays off. My character has been saved, literally, saved, as in I was going to/had already give
Kill Perms if asked that's how badly a fight went against him, but before he can be downed suddenly friends are there. Not in a Meta way, but as in, he has casually helped so many people that I forget about almost instantly that I will have one of them be walking by and suddenly the yare like "Oh, its him!" and they stab the people in the back whom are stabbing him. To him, the method of save everyone, have many friends, and you live, has always worked.
So, the conclusion to all this, for anyone who gave a crap. I want to know what to do with Conf. My character. My first. He has been around so long, and I have so much I want to do with him, but I feel like my own blunderings, over the last 2 years, have crippled his ability to achieve his goals in many ways. Hes slowly working his way up, but slowly is the key word.
I want to keep improving my take on him. Personally I see him as a devious, clever, forward thinking tactician, with a strong moral code. But if he comes off as a Jacobin moron white knight, what I intend means nothing. How do people think I should go about things? Asking to retcon some of his past actions maybe? Or just moving on, trying to improve my future RP and hoping the past doesnt bite me in the butt.
I never cared about how Conf was seen before but I suddenly find it means a lot. So. Idk.
And to tag people I know know Conf. @Puagrace @Suicidium @Fenlee @Koajack @Jack_Castle @flareskies @KiddingAround @Choco_rox22 @avemechanicus @LlamaDelBae @ (more people i suck at names sorry if i forgot you ;o; ) and lastly, since he sparked the conversation, @MonMarty
Essentially, After pondering it for 5 hours while working, I want to make this thread, to ask a few simply questions ,and try to determine when RPing as a character with strong morals stops being that, and becomes white knighting. Or what other instances can be perceived as white knighting. The hopes being, I can maybe use the information to make my own character better, because I feel he falls in the gray area a lot, or sometimes goes full White Knight when im being dumb IRL.
So firstly: What is a white knight? Most people define it as a character who gets involved in situations to defend another, because of ideals usually, for no real personal gain.
A point I want to make before the beef of this posts comes in: As I see it, White Knighting can be subjective. I might think my character has a good reason, others may not. For example, say, Player A jumps into a fight because Vampire A is attacking Vampire B. Player A knows Vampire B, and wants to help their friend, but Vampire A doesn't know that, so to them, it looks like White Knighting.
To me, I still don't see my character as a White Knight. I will be forthcoming, since this is all OOC and using it is Meta ;3 , Conf is Jacobin. Heavily. He was raised in an environment where he dealt with tons of people of various races, and cultures, and religions. As a pirate. He knew some hard working Cielothar, some lazy gluttonous Ailor, some mad Drowdar, some peaceable Shendar. All the normal lines get blurred in an environment like that. My character has strong morals as well. Which might be considered snowflakey in a world like Aloria, but he sticks by them.
I have always seen Conf as smarter though. When he was young, yea, he was a moron. Everyone was. He spoke out more, did dumber stuff, etc. But now, he tries to keep it under wraps... Barring my dumb moments IRL where I have him act like IIIIII would act. Yelling, and jumping to defend without a thought. Which isn't how I think he would act. I think he would be more subtle about it. Any comments that have Jacobin sentiments have always been masked with a veil of false devotion to Unionism. "You shouldn't hold the Varran down, it can do good work to redeem itself in the Great Way if you would allow it, and by preventing this you do harm to the True Path" etc etc. My hands move faster than my brain most times though, which I have slowly been trying to fix. My last big screw up was during the riot in front of the Bastion, 1-2 months ago now?
In my eyes, Conf jumping into situations has always been justified by his morals, even when my stupidity makes him go about it in the wrong way, either way he WOULD have gotten involved. I just did it wrong OOCly. And often times, he has found this pays off. My character has been saved, literally, saved, as in I was going to/had already give
Kill Perms if asked that's how badly a fight went against him, but before he can be downed suddenly friends are there. Not in a Meta way, but as in, he has casually helped so many people that I forget about almost instantly that I will have one of them be walking by and suddenly the yare like "Oh, its him!" and they stab the people in the back whom are stabbing him. To him, the method of save everyone, have many friends, and you live, has always worked.So, the conclusion to all this, for anyone who gave a crap. I want to know what to do with Conf. My character. My first. He has been around so long, and I have so much I want to do with him, but I feel like my own blunderings, over the last 2 years, have crippled his ability to achieve his goals in many ways. Hes slowly working his way up, but slowly is the key word.
I want to keep improving my take on him. Personally I see him as a devious, clever, forward thinking tactician, with a strong moral code. But if he comes off as a Jacobin moron white knight, what I intend means nothing. How do people think I should go about things? Asking to retcon some of his past actions maybe? Or just moving on, trying to improve my future RP and hoping the past doesnt bite me in the butt.
I never cared about how Conf was seen before but I suddenly find it means a lot. So. Idk.
And to tag people I know know Conf. @Puagrace @Suicidium @Fenlee @Koajack @Jack_Castle @flareskies @KiddingAround @Choco_rox22 @avemechanicus @LlamaDelBae @ (more people i suck at names sorry if i forgot you ;o; ) and lastly, since he sparked the conversation, @MonMarty
