What Ever Happened To A Thing Called "peaceful" Factions?!

[LynnShred]

Ya'know what? I absolutely HATE it when people attack a peaceful faction, JUST for kicks. Or when they Hack/Grief to get in too. That makes my blood boil. I ultimately Hate it when people attack a Peaceful faction and expect to get something out of it: Money, Gear, Valuable blocks, Or to just kill them all. When a faction is in a place like a Deserted island, Or the middle of a Desert, chances are they could be peaceful and if they are, people shouldnt attack them. When people attack they expect the peaceful faction to attack back but the other faction isnt prepared for this seeing as they are peaceful. Above is a poll choose which one you would most likely do.

 

[Satorgen]

Pldeutz. I rest me case.

 

[Lord_ArchAngel]

Ya'know what? I absolutely HATE it when people attack a peaceful faction, JUST for kicks. Or when they Hack/Grief to get in too. That makes my blood boil. I ultimately Hate it when people attack a Peaceful faction and expect to get something out of it: Money, Gear, Valuable blocks, Or to just kill them all. When a faction is in a place like a Deserted island, Or the middle of a Desert, chances are they could be peaceful and if they are, people shouldnt attack them. When people attack they expect the peaceful faction to attack back but the other faction isnt prepared for this seeing as they are peaceful. Above is a poll choose which one you would most likely do.

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Wow, you made such a BIG deal about 1 raid that morgan did to your faction. If you don't like to be raided, surrender. Don't go cry and complain about being raided. Go call some allies or something to help defend you? I'll be honest, one of your member did contact me and ask to help. But I did decline that request because I had better things to do.

 

[ozgho]

To quote rule 11 of the massivecraft rules list.

Raiding is allowed on the server, however if you wish to not be raided you can pay a tribute to the raiding faction so they have to leave you alone for a time. In debth Raiding and tribute rules can be found here: http://massivecraft.com/harassment-and-tribute-rule

 

[Llefty_]

I wouldn't attack relentlessly, but you can't choose to be peaceful. If you say something wrong to a big faction, then you can go saying "We're peaceful!" when they attack you.

 

[Golemlord]

I run a relatively peaceful faction as I hate war, that's why I become allies with more powerful factions and good fighters that will defend me, as rather than making fighters out of my faction members, I focus on creating good roleplayers and good miners/fishers/repairers.

A peaceful faction that can't be defended, can you really blame them for raiding you? I doubt it's for "kicks". Well, maybe it was in your scenario, but most of the time raids and wars have good reasons.

Honestly, I disagree with this, not because I dislike peaceful factions, but because I know many decent peaceful factions (myself included) that do just fine.

Edit: Also no offense but the fact that you are treating it like a game in which people can go "i'm peaceful leave me alone" is very non-roleplay. In another server perhaps I would be more sympathetic to this, but in a RP server in which some people play warmongering tribes and empires, it doesn't really work that way.

Also I disagree with both of your poll answers because most people have set targets for raids, and don't just walk around wandering looking for a faction to attack.

 

[VennHearts]

Listen to this, I was playing Zack Hemsey's Mind Heist While reading his first post and I can just feel the ANGER in his post

 

[Jlalu]

"Peaceful" factions need either a) a strong army or b) strong allies to discourage petty raids and help keep the peace. I know, I have been on both sides of the spectrum. Bah! Who am I kidding; I've never been in a "Peaceful" faction.

People don't often raid for "kicks" and "lolz". They often have a RP reason to back it. Believe it or not, people actually Role Play as bandits and marauders. I'm tired of people moaning and complaining about stuff like this. Look at it this way, your faction is a ripe fruit without any thorns on the bush. Any person or animal could walk by and snatch it up. It is your fault you don't have thorns. Grow some, or offer them something, so they stop attacking you.

 

[TechPac]

"Peaceful" factions need either a) a strong army or b) strong allies to discourage petty raids and help keep the peace. I know, I have been on both sides of the spectrum. Bah! Who am I kidding; I've never been in a "Peaceful" faction.

People don't often raid for "kicks" and "lolz". They often have a RP reason to back it. Believe it or not, people actually Role Play as bandits and marauders. I'm tired of people moaning and complaining about stuff like this. Look at it this way, your faction is a ripe fruit without any thorns on the bush. Any person or animal could walk by and snatch it up. It is your fault you don't have thorns. Grow some, or offer them something, so they stop attacking you.

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In my experiances, most semi peaceful factions with a good army, the army gets their egos blown up and decides "hey we dont need these people anymore"

 

[Noctus]

There's a difference between peaceful and weak factions. Peaceful factions have things to steal. Weak factions usually do not.

 

[Magivore]

To be fair though, there are occasions where you really just want a RP faction, then suddenly EVERYONE comes along to kill you, just cause you aren't armed. Factions like that need to be like Laridae, a boat in the sea, or like Lightsbane, a place where no one can enter in to simply attack you.

 

[JamondaIce]

In order to peacefully combat an attacking foe: Step 1. Gather two of every plant and animal. Step 2. Build underground paradise safe from attack

 

[diablo34]

If you don't like being raided, build your base out of reach of raiders. E.g.

• A self-sustaining underground base.
• A sky base above the clouds.

EDIT: Just discovered how relaxing it can be to punch enemies off the edge of a sky base.

 

[Magivore]

If you don't like being raided, build your base out of reach of raiders. E.g.

• A self-sustaining underground base.
• A sky base above the clouds.

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Sky base isn't an option. It's considered out of lore, and can be quite unattractive in many occasions.

 

[diablo34]

Sky base isn't an option. It's considered out of lore, and can be quite unattractive in many occasions.

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Ahh, thanks. But in any other case, the underground option should still be valid.

 

[Cayorion]

A system for peaceful factions is on my long TODO list. It will happen. It's just a matter of time.

 

[TiroTypo]

I agree with this. And the pay tribute rule is abit well.. Meh. The raiding faction can ask for quiet a big price and if you're faction is poor its unfair. Most raiding factions get more stuff from continuously raiding the weaker factions anywho. And about the RP reason. Well if you're rp reason is getting someone to join you're empire or because you are a bandit or thief then DONT interrupt the RP of the peaceful faction for gods sakes. There are countless times were I have been Rping with my friends, just fishing or something and we've gotten raided with no RP explanation given or a least nop decent one. Also most raid factions dont even follow the medieval skin RP rule thing let alone actually have an RP character that has been approved and so forth. So the truth is most raids that happen against small/peaceful factions have no RP reason to back them up. They just go to small/unprotected factions and scrub stomp them for free gear, and if the faction who is being raided does pay tribute the raid faction can still threaten and get stuff from them anyway, it has happened to me plenty of times. Though I understand how fun it is to scrub stomp noob factions and so forth and how fun raiding is I think there should be better laws prohibiting the act of raiding of peaceful Rp factions without a full proof Rp reason.

 

[Thoriik]

A system for peaceful factions is on my long TODO list. It will happen. It's just a matter of time.

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Well, but explain me, I remember when there were actually peaceful factions, and they were doing stuff what could cause the war. I remember long time ago, when there were some peaceful factions, one player came to my faction, running around, and we couldn't kill him. Thats why I don't like peaceful factions. :-(

 

[TechPac]

Personally I miss the old days where if someone was raided, it was one faction vs another, now we cant have any conflict where everyone and their uncle isnt involved.

 

[TiroTypo]

Well, but explain me, I remember when there were actually peaceful factions, and they were doing stuff what could cause the war. I remember long time ago, when there were some peaceful factions, one player came to my faction, running around, and we couldn't kill him. Thats why I don't like peaceful factions.

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Oh well then, the person who was running around you're faction was a dick then. He/she deserves to be scrub stomped xD Anywho im mostly just upset about when raid faction interrupt RP, I mean usually its on accident but still... Its annoying. Or when you havent done shit to a person and they dont even know you/know you exist until they see you're fac and decide to raid you with no real Rp purpose in mind xD Then they make up some story last second to keep themselves safe from harassment charges/Interrupting RP charges or somethin like that. I have nothing against raiders personally~ and I understand how annoying it is to have someone harass you but not being able to fight back -.-;

 

[TiroTypo]

Personally I miss the old days where if someone was raided, it was one faction vs another, now we cant have any conflict where everyone and their uncle isnt involved.

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I agree completely -.-;

 

[TiroTypo]

A system for peaceful factions is on my long TODO list. It will happen. It's just a matter of time.

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Really? o-o Wow thank you sir! Ive been waiting to hear those words!

 

[Dragonwaz]

When I owned Vrist it's sad but I had a member under me who would get mad at everything just to start a fight. It's the power that comes with pvp that drive some mad. We were quickly turning into a revenge faction. 17 Silver war (he was scammed for 17 silver before it was illegal) the "war" with Impledown (I wouldn't have attacked but after everything that happened with Dworvin I basically let the dogs of war off their leash. (wasntme) Oh and then there was the Raid with Dragonstar (they faction scammed. come to look, then leave, enemy, and kill) That was personal too... I didn't look for fights myself but they came regardless. Making a base where no one could come in is the only solution currently.

I'm actually developing a faction right now. Going to try and start a religion, hold weddings and other Rp and non-Rp events. It's hard but I'm trying to make it so that it is safe. Separate seating that can be locked down so enemies can go to the same wedding without causing a riot.

There's a lot that would require the players not being rude and killing everyone just because, so I don't know how the faction will turn out, remaining hopeful, also planning on a Tavern, Bathhouse, Market, etc.

 

[Krolose]

For those of you discussing the use of allies as defences I leave you this:

Edmund: You see, Baldrick, in order to prevent war in Europe, two superblocs developed: us, the French and the Russians on one side, and the Germans and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea was to have two vast opposing armies, each acting as the other's deterrent. That way there could never be a war.

Baldrick: But this is a sort of a war, isn't it, sir?

Edmund: Yes, that's right. You see, there was a tiny flaw in the plan.

George: What was that, sir?

Edmund: It was bollocks.

 

[Orenbus]

A system for peaceful factions is on my long TODO list. It will happen. It's just a matter of time.

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I don't understand this, what happened to Rules FAQ question number 6? Is this now going to change?

6. We are a heavy roleplay faction who do not like being raided, can we have peacefull?
No. We never hand out faction flags to player factions, on the grounds that it's unfair to others on the server, besides the fact we also encourage raiding and pvp, as well as the fact that this function has been abused in the past.

http://www.massivecraft.com/rules

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Not sure implementing a peaceful factions system would be beneficial as it will restrict pvp not help support it, and may in the long term threaten the health of activity if players at any time can decide to set their faction to peaceful.

 

[AaronChuey]

I think a good way to balance peaceful would be to only disable pvp inside the faction's borders. That way an enemy could still lay siege, but couldn't actively come inside to murder everyone.

 

[LynnShred]

Wow, you made such a BIG deal about 1 raid that morgan did to your faction. If you don't like to be raided, surrender. Don't go cry and complain about being raided. Go call some allies or something to help defend you? I'll be honest, one of your member did contact me and ask to help. But I did decline that request because I had better things to do.

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You know what, Who says this is about that raid that happened?! Surrender, and allow for someone to take the money you DONT have??? What about that Huh? Who says im crying and complaining, im just stating my opinion. BTW i DID call allies, but you know what, non helped. And i dont need YOUR protection and im sure if Proto Was here he would have had my back the moment i went into allies chat but ya know what HE ISNT. Infact most people are flaming and attacking me JUST because Proto isnt there to Protect me anymore. Im tired of it. i TOLD my faction member NOT to msg you because i knew you wouldnt help out So i knew it was pointless.

 

[LynnShred]

I agree with this. And the pay tribute rule is abit well.. Meh. The raiding faction can ask for quiet a big price and if you're faction is poor its unfair. Most raiding factions get more stuff from continuously raiding the weaker factions anywho. And about the RP reason. Well if you're rp reason is getting someone to join you're empire or because you are a bandit or thief then DONT interrupt the RP of the peaceful faction for gods sakes. There are countless times were I have been Rping with my friends, just fishing or something and we've gotten raided with no RP explanation given or a least nop decent one. Also most raid factions dont even follow the medieval skin RP rule thing let alone actually have an RP character that has been approved and so forth. So the truth is most raids that happen against small/peaceful factions have no RP reason to back them up. They just go to small/unprotected factions and scrub stomp them for free gear, and if the faction who is being raided does pay tribute the raid faction can still threaten and get stuff from them anyway, it has happened to me plenty of times. Though I understand how fun it is to scrub stomp noob factions and so forth and how fun raiding is I think there should be better laws prohibiting the act of raiding of peaceful Rp factions without a full proof Rp reason.

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Exactly, The tribute Rule is terrible, People raid to Get money or Gear or Valuables and What if that faction HAS non?? Infact Before the person came and raided, The entire faction was Rping then we are all slaughtered so Technically they interrupted our Rp. There should be A Law against raiding Peaceful factions UNLESS like you said, a VERY good rp reason because most factions have NO money, No gear NOTHING besides a few walls to stand as a freaking base. Whats worse people use Allie's portals to Raid people too! And the person's portals the person is using, They usually dont even know the person is using them! Theres a thing called Consideration And some people need to Learn that. Because behind all the HUGE faction within the worlds, they target the Little tiny ones that cant call for Back up and wind up Slaughtered!!

 

[MonMarty]

Exactly, The tribute Rule is terrible, People raid to Get money or Gear or Valuables and What if that faction HAS non?? Infact Before the person came and raided, The entire faction was Rping then we are all slaughtered so Technically they interrupted our Rp. There should be A Law against raiding Peaceful factions UNLESS like you said, a VERY good rp reason because most factions have NO money, No gear NOTHING besides a few walls to stand as a freaking base. Whats worse people use Allie's portals to Raid people too! And the person's portals the person is using, They usually dont even know the person is using them! Theres a thing called Consideration And some people need to Learn that. Because behind all the HUGE faction within the worlds, they target the Little tiny ones that cant call for Back up and wind up Slaughtered!!

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You're acting as if pvp'ers and raiders aren't "valid" players on the server. The tribute rule is a compromise between roleplay and raiding, just because you can't provide it doesn't mean raiders don't deserve a fair share of loot for raiding.

While the peaceful system will be made eventually, I am not entirely in acceptance of it. This is a medieval roleplay server, in a lore where the world is constantly at war. It's unrealistic to expect you can just live out your life peacefully without ever feeling any effects of the constant warring. Besides the fact that if you run around the tavern slashing people with katana's, you're giving them a good reason to raid you.

 

[favoured]

Wait a second, you're complaining about 2 things in this thread.
1. People keep raiding you.
2. You don't have enough money to pay them off.

Now, using my logic, most people that raid on Massive roleplay as bandits, marauders, or orcs. The bandits and marauders go around looking for loot, and the orcs just want a good fight. Now, if you're a weak and poor faction, why would anyone raid you? You have nothing to offer to these raiders, so therefore most of the raiders that are attacking you are doing so for morals or "the lulz". In the latter case, I believe you can just report them. In the first case, they're raiding for a perfectly valid reason. Also, regarding the tribute rule, I actually like it. It makes it so people are encouraged to join larger, more powerful factions, instead of starting yet ANOTHER 10 man faction on the server.

 

[ozgho]

Last I knew there was a clause to the Tribute Rule stating that smaller factions have a cap to their possible tributes that is lower than the cap for larger ones. Also, it is fully capable for you as a faction to haggle with the other faction. Anything can be offered as tribute, and I believe that to an extent, refusing an offered tribute is an offence.

 

[Thoriik]

Well, As Marty stated, it would go against the roleplay. I don't really like peaceful factions, because there is always people who will get me mad, and give me a good reason to raid them.

 

[Lord_ArchAngel]

A system for peaceful factions is on my long TODO list. It will happen. It's just a matter of time.

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If you give certain factions a "peaceful" status, than they switch from peaceful to PvP when their bored. And when their raided back they ask to be peaceful. If you're goin to give peaceful status I think their should be a contract or requirement to be a peaceful faction.

 

[Imboring56]

[quote="jla129, post: 85538, member: 2343]People don't often raid for "kicks" and "lolz". They often have a RP reason to back it. Believe it or not, people actually Role Play as bandits and marauders.[/quote]
It's so overused that I can just walk over to one of my enemies and start attacking them randomly, saying that I am a bandit.

In that regard, why are bandits targeting the same faction for days, sometimes weeks or months on end? If they were true bandits, they would simply move on to somebody else, saying that this faction wasn't worth their time. But no - the bandits target specific factions and raid them relentlessly, which, if you were actually a bandit, you wouldn't do.

 

[Lord_ArchAngel]

i TOLD my faction member NOT to msg you because i knew you wouldnt help out So i knew it was pointless.

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I WOULD of helped your faction, but in the case of role play. I'm in no mood to help a member of the Shred family.

 

[Togal]

If you don't like being raided, build your base out of reach of raiders. E.g.

• A self-sustaining underground base.
• A sky base above the clouds.

EDIT: Just discovered how relaxing it can be to punch enemies off the edge of a sky base.

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you haven't seen ended's base have you? its a huge ugly tower/castle/house/building at the northern top of ithania...

 

[Cruallassar]

In my opinion, if you want a peaceful faction, find yourself the deepest, darkest, most impenetrable, furthest away from everything else hole in the world, make it more of all these things, and stay there. Make yourself a nice little civilization in your hole where no one can get you, and almost no one will find you. Non-descript, hard to find the entrance, not able to be infiltrated by ender pearls, etc. If you don't tick anyone off, and no one especially hates you, (or better yet if they haven't heard of you) then you will remain peaceful and almost unbothered.

Note that I almost never raid, and I only raid factions we are actively at war with, and Hisoka doesn't go to war with many people. We do pretty well as a peaceful faction. And when we are not, my Castle is nice and secluded, and impenetrable. Or at least it will be when I finish some modifications to it.

 

[Lord_ArchAngel]

you haven't seen ended's base have you? its a huge ugly tower/castle/house/building at the northern top of ithania...

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Link?

 

[LynnShred]

I WOULD of helped your faction, but in the case of role play. I'm in no mood to help a member of the Shred family.

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DO NOT bring the Fact i am a Shred Into this.

 

[LynnShred]

Ended has hardly and Enemies, And the only enemies we have are just fueds between me and the leaders (Ex. Kronikatr) Besides i just find it rediculous when people use our ally's portals to get to Ended Then attack us relentlessly.