Vampires Vs Vampire Slayers War

Shall we exist peacefully with vampires?

  • Yes let's, live peacfully and kill onlyy vampires who worth it

    Votes: 16 34.0%

  • No, all vampires are evil and must be slain

    Votes: 22 46.8%

  • I am neutral and i dont care

    Votes: 9 19.1%
  • Total voters
    47
  • Poll closed .
Icemanap

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Recently the tention between vampires and the vampire slayers has been increased. A few days ago all the vampires were called in the spawn to destroy a group called Red Legacy i think. As i expected a lot of vampire slayers were attracted there and they started quite an argument. I am neutral and i dont support the slayers or the vamps. I am an elf who happened to be online when this happened. The slayers said they can take on the vamps any time.
So i am asking you this: Ever since i joined the server people have been hating vamps, so why cant we exist peacefully? I mean most vamps are passive and as i am concerned only humans hate them.
I dont say we should be bffs with every vampire we are coming across and i am not against killing vampires who worth it. I am just saying we should co-exist without much bloodshed
 
I think vampirism is more of a conscious choice than anything as mot people contract the curse by choice. As long as they're legal and get blood by asking or mobs, then they haven't done any harm to anyone. Vamps are still humans, they're just... different humans. If a man starts limping and then commits a crime, is that limp suddenly a disease and are all people with a limp evil criminals? Judge a man not on his neighbors' crimes but on his own.
 
A few things about this:

1. It was not a faction, it was a group.
2. It is called the Red Legacy.
3. I own it.
4. According to the lore, citizens of Regelia hate vampires.
5. Vampirism is outlawed, according to the lore.

Hope I cleared things up a bit.
 
I did not mean to offend anyone and i am not talking about this certain meeting. Even before that and not only in Regalia hate vamps. this is why i made this post. If this conflict between vamps and slayers we can have an all-out war. I just what to know what others think about this
 
@Icemanap

If you were to go to the main website then into the lore section and read "The Sanguine Curse" then I believe that the answers you are looking for are there.
 
alright i w
Ben_2025 said:
@Icemanap

If you were to go to the main website then into the lore section and read "The Sanguine Curse" then I believe that the answers you are looking for are there.
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alright i will check it out[DOUBLEPOST=1368881214,1368879656][/DOUBLEPOST]Alright i checked the book. It was quite informative but it also says that "Vampires may be good natured, they may have morals and ideals similar to non-Vampires". I also understand the danger of being near a vampire if you are humanbut i also know if you are a vampire it is quite hard to get back.
 
Icemanap said:
"Vampires may be good natured, they may have morals and ideals similar to non-Vampires"
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You didn't read the whole point it made. For the purpose of this thread, I will type it out. Ahem.

"Vampires may be good natured. They may have morals and ideals similar to non Vampires. As long as they carry the infection however, they can never be considered 'good'. As active carriers of the Sanguine Curse, they are a constant threat to those around them, and it is a known fact that the more Vampires there are, the more bold the Dark Banshee grows in attacking cities and killing hundreds."

The Red Legacy lives by this statement.

That's right, vampires. Run.
(( Sorry, that sounded really awesome in my head xP ))
 
Leon Vill said:
You didn't read the whole point it made. For the purpose of this thread, I will type it out. Ahem.

"Vampires may be good natured. They may have morals and ideals similar to non Vampires. As long as they carry the infection however, they can never be considered 'good'. As active carriers of the Sanguine Curse, they are a constant threat to those around them, and it is a known fact that the more Vampires there are, the more bold the Dark Banshee grows in attacking cities and killing hundreds."

The Red Legacy lives by this statement.

That's right, vampires. Run.
(( Sorry, that sounded really awesome in my head xP ))
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yes i readed it to the end and maybe you are right. Maybe vampires must be slain. But in the end of the book sais that modern vampires have a mind of their own and they are not controlled by The Dark Banshee(aka MrsBaver)
 
Icemanap said:
yes i readed it to the end and maybe you are right. Maybe vampires must be slain. But in the end of the book sais that modern vampires have a mind of their own and they are not controlled by The Dark Banshee(aka MrsBaver)
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Even more reason to. The Dark Banshee isn't Mrs Baver, I don't think. Think about it. If you were controlled by someone, and you committed murder, it isn't as bad as committing murder on your own free will. The Banshee was forcing the vampires to do things, now they just do them on their own free will. Make sense?
 
Leon Vill said:
Even more reason to. The Dark Banshee isn't Mrs Baver, I don't think. Think about it. If you were controlled by someone, and you committed murder, it isn't as bad as committing murder on your own free will. The Banshee was forcing the vampires to do things, now they just do them on their own free will. Make sense?
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First check this page on the wiki about Mrs Baver http://massivecraft.wikia.com/wiki/Mrsbaver
Second if you are controlled and slaughter people it is like the one controlling you commiting the murder. For example if you kill a person with a sword, you will have comitted the murder and not the sword. As the book says Vamps,or Upyr as they were called then, were nothing more than tools to the Dark Banshee, and as i am concerned they do not kill people for fun.
 
Icemanap But really, think about this:

1. Mrs Baver / The Dark Banshee takes control of many people via a disease. She makes them commit murder and spread the disease. The people have no choice in this. Baver is pretty much committing the murder, you are right there. Yet:
2. The people regain control. They have free will. Do they get cured? No. They continue to spread the disease. It is no longer Baver's choice.
 
Leon Vill said:
Icemanap But really, think about this:

1. Mrs Baver / The Dark Banshee takes control of many people via a disease. She makes them commit murder and spread the disease. The people have no choice in this. Baver is pretty much committing the murder, you are right there. Yet:
2. The people regain control. They have free will. Do they get cured? No. They continue to spread the disease. It is no longer Baver's choice.
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true enough but why do you kill them? If you really want to stop vampirism destroy the dark altars and put the vamps in a quarantined place with acces to an altar of light
 
Icemanap A few things about that.

1. (Out of RP circumstances) I do not have the permissions to alter Regelia in any way, so something of that calibre would be impossible.
2. Would they really stop? They would just get back in somehow.
3. We offer them cure, but most say death. They are usually crushed then.
4. Our group is supposed to be... a mixture of good and evil. We have the right cause, and the kind of wrong way. That is what makes the RP better. If someone went around doing everything perfect, there would be nothing to complain about, would there?
 
OOC, I see Leon's point. The Inquisition and its challengers add to the RP experiene and make the server seem bustling with authority and excitement from early on. Besides, people usually have the option to get cured, so vampire slayers are not in the wrong. In fact, they're more vampire curers and sympathizers than anything. Most vampires do not choose it and/or live in pain from it. There is no way to force a cure, so if the vampires deny it, it's too late to save them.
 
SilverAlbatross Exactly. Wouldn't it be really boring if I went around doing this.

A small frail man stumbles up to a vampire and asks "Would you like to be cured?"
"NO."
"Oh, ok..." Then he walks away.

Noticed how terrible that was? It's just... no.
 
I'd like to clear this up. Vampires either directly or indirectly both perform The Banshee's will, if the curse was created to turn humans against each other then there mere existence causes this. The dark plague is but a tool the Banshee uses to control others, there is no unity, the other races are immune for a reason. They can bring down the dark menace.
 
True enough. I mean vamps are mostly for rp right? And groups Like Red Legacy make it more exciting. I think it would be nice though if there is an item in the server that can lift the curse.[DOUBLEPOST=1368886284,1368886203][/DOUBLEPOST]Also Leon i heard some rumors that to be a vamp slayer you must be trained by another one. Is that true?[DOUBLEPOST=1368886399][/DOUBLEPOST]And the Red Legacy should get more attention in the server. I learnt you existed when the meeting was made.
 
Icemanap I am not sure, as I am not one. I am merely... Vampiric police. It would make sense, though. To be a vampire, drink blood of another; to be a hunter, get trained by another.
 
Vampires could just be distractions to keep the humans focused on defending themselves while Mrs. Baver strikes behind.
 
Janwen spits on the ground

Vampires should be killed on site. They're all bad news. Ya, sure, they might act nice. But when they don't get enough of innocents blood down their filthy gullets, they turn rabid. I've been around that. It ain't pretty.



She then looks directly at everyone gathered

If anyone here sees any of these leaches, they need to kill them. As soon as possible. Don't be deceived by their charms. They are all evil.

(OOC: I really can't be serious with my current avatar..... XD )
 
some of us are decent and have to some extent of self control and restraint..those of us that were good in our Mundane lives, can have enough restraint to control ourselves from the vicious Bloodlust and Bloodthrist of the other vampires[DOUBLEPOST=1369085307,1369085235][/DOUBLEPOST]i also used to be a Slayer.....even though i am a vamp, i train Slayers...in RP its cuz i was a Slayer and got turned in a fight so i get revenge on vamps by training Slayers.. :P assuming they dont assasinate me in my sleep = afk(sleep)
 
CamilleBela. I see what you are saying, but as long as they (and you) hold the disease/curse, they should be cured or destroyed. They are a danger to everyone around them. I wouldn't be surprised if I got the Legacy to break down your door and arrest you.
 
Solarian Cathar doctrine states that any vampires unwilling to be cured of the curse of immortality, will be culled...

Of course I've sworn myself to give up these beliefs...
 
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Leon Vill No not all need to die. All nut cases who are level 3 and below are not named but are needed to be cured to human or killed for the sake of the representation they are ruining for the Higher Rank Vampires and Purebloods.

Do you think I should be killed because i am a vampire? No I wish it to be equal but go ahead and kill all level 3 and below unless they cannot change their ways.
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No. YOU are a threat. You could lash out and kill at any time. You need to either be cured, or killed.
 
celticwitch Just because you think you are better than other vampires doesn't mean we will simply ignore you and not arrest / attack / kill / cure you. Vampires shouldn't exist. They should be dead or cured. Full stop.
 
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I think vampires like myself should live peacefully with the humans. I would just point out all high class vampires are not harmful unless you threaten them. Kill all ones who are crazy and I call them Level 3-4 because that is the most annoying sorts.

The ranks above are 1-2 and the rest below should be killed unless they change their ways or they can also be cured.
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So you say you are an Upyr?
 
Icemanap said:
First check this page on the wiki about Mrs Baver http://massivecraft.wikia.com/wiki/Mrsbaver
Second if you are controlled and slaughter people it is like the one controlling you commiting the murder. For example if you kill a person with a sword, you will have comitted the murder and not the sword. As the book says Vamps,or Upyr as they were called then, were nothing more than tools to the Dark Banshee, and as i am concerned they do not kill people for fun.
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Sadly the wiki was based off of old MrsBaver lore and is inacurate because Marty is rewriting it T_T which sucks for all of us who spent most of our time on the server researching that stuff...Now we gotta start all over.
 
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No there are classes to vampires. I am in between first and second.

1st class vamps are ones infected by an altar or pureblood.

2nd class vamps are infected by a pureblood-lower class vampire who is acknowledged by others and have done something to help our sociality.

3rd class vamps were infected by a jut case vamp who has done nothing but ignore our rules and guidelines. These vamps also rank in class 4 which is the lowest you can get. The vamps in this have no name but a class. We sometimes refer to them as a pile of blood. They are no use to us because they are the ones who go around infecting anyone at anytime. I call them Level E which are blood crazed ones and cannot control their hunger for blood.

They are our ranks. Any questions?

Regards,
Celtic (Ayla)
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What i meant by Upir are the Original Vampires infected by the Dark Banshee and they think they are better than anyone.
 

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