Discussion in 'Announcement Archive' started by Zanip, Dec 22, 2013.
Also the point of this is to end huge war. Which honestly adds into even more lack of fun in PvP. You also bring a lot of things about Magnanimus. I find that somewhat stupid since almost everyone at the time of Magnanimus is gone. Lastly, you don't need to make a collective when you have these pathetic things called "Lore Staff" that shut down PvP/wars.
It isn't stupid. While I realize Magnanimus has almost completely dissolved now, Magnanimus is a good example of what could happen.
The "Lore Staff that shut down PvP/wars" was there before Mag. And, like I find myself having to repeat again, look what happened.
Awesome! I'm glad to have you in!
Interesting, an Alliance forming up to stop another force from destroying everyone. The only thing that could stop it is if someone where to make a force large enough to destroy everyone...
For now, Cecidit, my faction, will remain neutral towards this Collective. Should our allies convince us to join, or I see a more profitable reason for us to join, then this stance will chance.
Is every leader in the Collective able to attend a Teamspeak meeting on the 4th of January... Around 8PM GMT? That's 3PM EST and 2PM Central
Jonaethiel Zero_oo Mecharic Emperor_max DomeRocker258 Xanderab Shayin Fellbeast58blue Oxoman misterbuttonz The Golem
I can't feel my ribs... anyway, your post is pointless, your complaint has no ground, and you are obviously too lazy to come up with "I want to take over the world" as a legit reason for waging a massive f*cking war against anyone who gets in your way without any discrimination or limits. What are you, like 3? Grow the f*ck up and get over yourself. Whining won't do jack shit to change this server, you need to adapt to the rules that are in place. If you can't adapt then go away, you're ruining a perfectly good thread.
I make no promises at all. I won't know my work schedule for that week until the 28th. If I'm open that time I'll be there, if I'm not... sorry :/
I simply think we need to read that again.
It depends whether it's at 8PM GMT or the the listed EST and Central times as they do not correlate. If it were 8PM GMT, it would be 3PM and 2PM, or so I believe. Do correct me if I am mistaken.
Regardless, I should be able to attend both. Although I may not be there in spirit if it's at 10PM GMT as that would coincide with 'the Poppy' event, so my focus may be drawn from the meeting.
Unless I'm sleeping I should be there.
Yeah - Sorry. Messed up time zones. 3PM EST, 2PM Central. Edited the post.
If I can I won't miss it. I probably can... But no promises.
I don't have teamspeak, and can't figure out to install it on Linux ((Save me D: )) So just mail me the results of it, or just someone represent me lol
Will do. :P
I can go and Domerocker should be able to go too, though I'm not entirely sure yet
I believe so, but I canot promise. Il try my best to be there ;)
(please do give us a headsup 1 day before the meeting)
I still don't get it. Why was Magnanimous so bad that something like this had to be made? I thought they had more pros than cons.
I'm disappointed in you Mecharic. You need to take your own advice of learning to back off and calm down before posting. You obviously don't see the whole picture. At least from my perspective you don't.
I'm not apologizing. I'm sick and tired of hearing the same exact argument from the same dozen or so players every time someone posts a thread that even slightly goes against big pvp wars and whatnot. If you're going to argue in favor of pvp don't do it by bashing roleplay. That only pisses people off.
I, the guildmaster of civilization of Caldonia, can pledge the support of our town and small force
I agree with you, the PvP and RP communities need to get along and not bash each other, but the way you present your opinion can be cleaned up.
Again, you are missing the big picture. This collection won't only prevent big pvp wars, but it will also prevent certain types of 'Good' roleplay.
I think I have stated multiple times that this server desperately needs an evil faction. The dark deserves to coexist with the light and this collective looks like it might prevent that.
Sure, there might have been a few fools in the past that might have abused their evil power, but shouldn't your goal be to show them the right way to use their power, not prevent all forms of it in the process?
Ok, that I can agree to. Lord_ArchAngel - Sorry for the over-aggressive post. I'm just tired of people saying the same thing and not even trying to adapt to new rules and situations.
I do believe that this Coalition exists almost 50% for the purpose of creating a powerful opponent for just such a faction as what you describe. As has been seen MANY times before, no single faction can stand up against a powerful pvp faction. Indeed, the only reason any pvp faction has LOST their wars is because of internal collapse. I view this coalition as pretty much the only way a pvp faction that has the ability to take over the server will be able to enjoy a challenge in their battles. In all honesty, I believe that Magna collapsed because of lack of successful opposition - they wanted to fight but instead just wiped out most of their opponents without any real battle - and ended up fighting themselves for the fun of combat.
What pvpers want is Player V/S Player. I believe this coalition can turn "Curbstomp" into "V/S". It won't stop people from wanting to take over the world, or from making the attempt - it will give them a target to fight and an opponent that can equal them.
Mecharic Apologize accepted. I guess my post was kind of rude. I'm aware with new situations you have to adapt to them. My only complaint was mainly about Lore Staffs ruining PvP for a lot of pvp from my view, which is basically why I stopped playing on MassiveCraft.
I could write an entire essay as a reply to this post... But just look at what Mecharic said.
Ah. So it just prevents reckless pvp and encourages evil factions to think before acting. That is seems much better than what I thought it was.
As a representative of Theridan from the Hisokan collective, I would like to join this collective temporarily. I feel like I haven't been very active in the PVP community and this seems like the perfect opportunity to change that.
My faction, Stronghold would like to join. However, we have some terms we would like you to agree to. We were in the sixth coalition, we got informed of no wars, no status updates, no meeting times, and no battles. I do not use teamspeak often, and didn't even know the meetings were happening through it. I would like to be included in all conversations and informed of all that goes on in the collective. I promise to get on teamspeak when there is a meeting if I am told the meeting date. Other than that I agree to all the collective's terms.
Kinda torn on the current argument here.
On one hand Laach has a point. This server can get fairly biased at times on who it panders to, when it should be open to a more round and full view of the RP world. There should be a more active "evil" force, one that has just as much of a chance for victory as those who are in the Light do. The reason that things seem so in favor of humanity is mainly due to the fact that the human empire (Regalia) has the staff to back it up. This isn't to knock on Regalia, or it's lore, as its extremely realistic in it's general opinions (views on good & evil, human superiority over all races, magic being bad, etc). The real issue is that there is nothing really opposing Regalia, or at least nothing that players can readily get involved with and say 'look, I and a peon in this dark and evil empire!'. I feel it would be nice to see a large, evil (or at the very least something that can Lore wise hold it's own against Regalia) organization stand up to Regalia, and give players the chance to play on the other side. (I think that the group with the best chance of this would actually be the Qadir, but thats just a guess on my part).
On the other hand, sustaining a player based faction of that size would be difficult, not counting the fact that you would have to have good pvpers and good leaders to keep it all going. And even if you kept it going, there is no guarantee that it would even be something worth being a part of in the first place.
The reason you did not get too well informed was because in the Coalition it was a 1-man operation tbh. Nobody really knew who to lead to and I had a bunch of work on my hands. This is different. I'm not the leader. With the Coalition, I tried to use forum conversations to plan it. But since forum conversations could only fit 10 people (Which is why I made this thread) it was hard to mantain it.
With the Collective, it is a completely different situation. I am using threads, not conversations, to plan TS meetings, as you can see from my post in the beginning of this page. Using this method should be much more efficient. From the terms that you suggested in your post, I don't see anything different at all which differs from what the Collective Leaders and I plan for the Collective.
Therefore, accepted. I'm glad to have you on board.
Glad to have you on board. Added to the list.
Awesome! Added to the list.
Ok. Just tag me when there are meeting announcements. Glad to be on board.
If you read back a bit there's one on the 4th of jan I think.
This is one major problem indeed, well the purpose of factions is to create own empires "good or evil" but there is to much focus on "good" empires. We lack evil ones, even lore wise it's all to peacefull.
You dont need to choose between the standard good and evil idea. Because it does not exist, the only thing that exist is " different world views.
The thing is the collective doesn't serve as an Empire or a huge ally bank. We are free to enemy and fight whoever we wish even fellow members of the collective. The only stipulation being that those who are part of the collective put aside our differences and band together to stop a threat should one arise. So far in my opinion there are no wars currently that require the collective to act as one as there is no group of players currently threatening the quality of life for the masses.
Yeah, Zero just summed up the entire first post in this paragraph.
Thread is now mostly clean of flame. Thor, please stop posting about how much better Ridenval is than this. Coming to a thread just to flame is very immature. If the flaming continues, @EveryoneInvolved, warnings will be issued and the thread will be locked.
I also went through and cleaned up flame and off-topic post. This is an informational thread, not a thread to argue over battle reports. If you want to do so, take it to a private convo as Zanip suggested.
And I've cleaned up the off-topic post again. I'll be handing out warnings to recurring offenders.
This is a link to the Teamspeak download page, scroll down to the Linux part. I don't own a Linux, so I have no clue how to help you if you have more problems.
I think Ridenval might be the new magnanimus.. They're raiding evryone. They are reckless and undefeatable. I think Ridenval might be the reason for a new war..
Maybe host an emergency Collective meeting to decide if Ridenval should be dealt with?
So you want to do a pre-empetive strike on a faction. This entire " Allied collective" is a superpower in disguise and getting more strenght with the day.