Pets

[FieryBacon]

Hello, I believe that pet riding itself is already breaking the minecraft EULA.

Firstly, I would like to state that I am a premium, and I have had first hand experience on using pets in massivecraft. I am also not trying to give excuses to take down the new pet system or cause any hatred between other premium users and me.

Ok so from my point of view, pet riding have already given a fair amount of advantage over non premium users , due to the fact that pet riding allows premium users to travel faster . How will this affect the gameplay for premium users? Basically they will be able to travel to their targeted location within a shorter period of time , and also escape from any non premium users that are standing in a distance who have caught sight of these premium users and have the intention to attack them.

This has proven that pets , unless they do not alter the speed of non premium users , will have violated minecraft's monetization EULA.

As according to my point proven , along with minecraft's EULA which states - " you can charge for hosting servers , but not for gameplay features " source taken from notch Markus persson twitter. And also " charging for cosmetic features is allowed , but not for anything that alters gameplay " source taken from minecraft EULA.

Steps and possible alterations.

1) pets are not rideable totally in combat, when in contact taking damage or giving damage, pets will automatically be removed

2) pets speed are the same as player speed ( running and walking )

I encourage all of you to post your thoughts below

 

[kswef]

Genius.

 

[aprader1]

From what I hear this is a plug in and not regular minecraft. Mojang said selling plug ins are fine. Also the non prem can use a speed potion. Not that hard. Also how do u get a pet?

 

[fantuinn]

THANK YOU! any prems that happen to be noobs have been using this on me sense the moment I got back on. :/

 

[FieryBacon]

From what I hear this is a plug in and not regular minecraft. Mojang said selling plug ins are fine. Also the non prem can use a speed potion. Not that hard. Also how do u get a pet?

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"Modifications to the Game ("Mods") (including pre-run Mods and in-memory Mods) and plugins for the Game also belong to you and you can do whatever you want with them, as long as you don't sell them for money / try to make money from them. We have the final say on what constitutes a tool/mod/plugin and what doesn't."
Source: http://www.gamebreaker.tv/news-main/pc-2/mojang-enforcing-minecraft-eula-concerning-monetization/

As i said: Mojang's apparent EULA which states " Any gameplay advantage for players that donate is a violation of minecraft EULA " , this statement overwrites all other statement that has been said. Mojang also did not say that selling plugins is fine . Do you have any source to prove what you have said? Also from what you said that non premium users can use speed potions to catch up with players riding pets , our discussion currently is based off what features give premium users an advantage over non premium users , pets will allow premium users to travel faster without speed potions which gives an advantage already. Pets are for premium users , u can do /pet help.

 

[Kezlok]

I don't want pets in pvp... They're just annoying and causs lag ;-;
The only reason to why i am using them is because i get a heavy advantage in speed and all that... I feel like i'm forced to use something that annoys me if i don't want to die...
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[NChulingeth]

I still feel bats could be used as gliders for dropping into combat/strafe runs/bombing(spl dmg) runs

 

[OldManJ98]

Correct me if I am wrong, it has been awhile since I read the article, but isn't pets the example Mojang used? For things servers can sell

 

[Suzzie]

I believe it was stated by staff that threads like this should not be made, as they might cause panic in the community. Why don't you just post this on the thread Cayorion made that allows you to make suggestions and give your input?

 

[XxAusFuryxX]

I think pets should keep their speed boost, personally i feel it would add more of a roleplay feel if people ride from one kingdom to another instead of making a noble or someone who was wealthy walk the long distance.

 

[BenRekt]

I think pets should keep their speed boost, personally i feel it would add more of a roleplay feel if people ride from one kingdom to another instead of making a noble or someone who was wealthy walk the long distance.

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This is about PvP, not travel. If you want to travel fast make a portal.

 

[The Golem]

I think pets should keep their speed boost, personally i feel it would add more of a roleplay feel if people ride from one kingdom to another instead of making a noble or someone who was wealthy walk the long distance.

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I disagree with this. Spawning a horse with the same benefits as summoning one using mcmmo or buying one itself is not entirely fair. It forces non premium players to retrieve the same benefits from other sources, normally at a cost, while premium get them free. Sure, premium you have to pay money for, but with portals, its unlikely anyone will be traveling with horses anyways. Besides, would a pig be somehow faster with a human riding on it, or would it be faster without the heavy weight?

 

[XxAusFuryxX]

I disagree with this. Spawning a horse with the same benefits as summoning one using mcmmo or buying one itself is not entirely fair. It forces non premium players to retrieve the same benefits from other sources, normally at a cost, while premium get them free. Sure, premium you have to pay money for, but with portals, its unlikely anyone will be traveling with horses anyways. Besides, would a pig be somehow faster with a human riding on it, or would it be faster without the heavy weight?

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If your paying the money per month, its a fair advantage.

 

[Gwyndo]

I vote we remove pets...
They're just... bad in every case.
They interfere with RP, cause lag, give speed/mobility advantages, open up all kinds of glitches [Raiding Wise].

I seriously think they're a bad addition :I
But, I'm in Spain atm, so I've not been on yet, so take my word with a grain of the saltiest salt you can find

 

[aprader1]

Guys prems don't buy anything they donate. Besides this is considered flame and I suggest you let the mods handle it. No panick

 

[Neon_57]

Personally I think all the non-Prems just are looking for an excuse to try and get premium features lowered even though we paid for it with our own money, just Becuase you wont buy it yourself is not our problem there for non premiums should stop complaining about things that premiums have that they do not. Premiums care for the server enough to donate there money to keep it going. So stop complaining lol

 

[Neon_57]

And personally the pet thing I feel its harder to pvp on a pet no matter if its a Horse, zombie etc becuase there harder to control in pvp then walking/running and as for rp I think it added a better chances for rp bieng able to have a horse, wolf, ocelot, stuff like that

 

[FieryBacon]

I still feel bats could be used as gliders for dropping into combat/strafe runs/bombing(spl dmg) runs

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This is very true , maybe we can suggest that bats can no longer glide , this is because of the fact that bats give an advantage to premium users , allowing them to drop safely without taking fall damage and all

Correct me if I am wrong, it has been awhile since I read the article, but isn't pets the example Mojang used? For things servers can sell

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You are half correct. Mojang allowed the sale of cosmetic items in minecraft servers , E.G. pets , however the pet system in massivecraft is giving a huge advantage to premium players , check my original post at the start of this forum post for what advantages pets provide.

I believe it was stated by staff that threads like this should not be made, as they might cause panic in the community. Why don't you just post this on the thread Cayorion made that allows you to make suggestions and give your input?

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Because i wanted my own discussion to see what are player's views , and this thread is not going into a flame thread so i dont see why not .

I think pets should keep their speed boost, personally i feel it would add more of a roleplay feel if people ride from one kingdom to another instead of making a noble or someone who was wealthy walk the long distance.

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I have already stated in my original post , that pets will allow premium users to get speed boost , without brewing speed potions , while non premium has to brew potions for speed , and this is causing a fair amount of disadvantage.

I disagree with this. Spawning a horse with the same benefits as summoning one using mcmmo or buying one itself is not entirely fair. It forces non premium players to retrieve the same benefits from other sources, normally at a cost, while premium get them free. Sure, premium you have to pay money for, but with portals, its unlikely anyone will be traveling with horses anyways. Besides, would a pig be somehow faster with a human riding on it, or would it be faster without the heavy weight?

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You disagree with my post , however spawned horses with apples cant travel through portals , but spawned horses with /pet allows you to spawn the horse ANYWHERE without ANY COST. Do you mean you agree with my post ? because i meant that too.

If your paying the money per month, its a fair advantage.

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No , thats monetization . check out minecraft EULA.

I vote we remove pets...
They're just... bad in every case.
They interfere with RP, cause lag, give speed/mobility advantages, open up all kinds of glitches [Raiding Wise].

I seriously think they're a bad addition :I
But, I'm in Spain atm, so I've not been on yet, so take my word with a grain of the saltiest salt you can find

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I agree and disagree with you.
If we remove pets, the server wont be able to generate as much money as possible to keep the server running , a server like massivecraft easily costs over hundreds , to thousands of dollars , along with manpower usage.
If we keep pets , minor lag is inevitable , but with massivecraft's standard i never received lag so far . We can however remove mobility advantages ( alter the speed to minecraft player speeds ) , as for war wise , they will have to find a solution , I cant think of any ideas , my brain is wrecked.

And personally the pet thing I feel its harder to pvp on a pet no matter if its a Horse, zombie etc becuase there harder to control in pvp then walking/running and as for rp I think it added a better chances for rp bieng able to have a horse, wolf, ocelot, stuff like that

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I already said that as for PVP , once in contact , receiving or dealing damage, pets will be revoked automatically , and for RP its cool.

 

[FieryBacon]

I would like to once again state that I am not looking for any bad blood , or cause any hatred between me and other players. if i sounded harsh , please just tell me , do not cause this thread to flame , i would like to have it open to see player's views and all.

 

[Neon_57]

Ya but honostly I wouldn't say pets actually make pvp easier for the rider i personally think it makes it harder

 

[Gwyndo]

@FieryBacon
Perhaps vote to replace pet riding with pet hats?
Or, enable pet riding for specific pets, such as horses and baby horses, instead of silverfish and bats. :S

 

[OldManJ98]

You are half correct. Mojang allowed the sale of cosmetic items in minecraft servers , E.G. pets , however the pet system in massivecraft is giving a huge advantage to premium players , check my original post at the start of this forum post for what advantages pets provide.

Because i wanted my own discussion to see other players views

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Basically, what you are saying then if you agree Mojang specifically said parts are ok, is Mojang is wrong. Even if they grant benefits, that article says pets are ok. Uses them as an example! I am just stating this opinion, this is not a flame storm.

The issue is, some people on the forums today think people disagreeing with their ideas is instantly flame. I read through the thread, and I see nothing I call flame. It at least, in My Opinion

 

[FieryBacon]

Basically, what you are saying then if you agree Mojang specifically said parts are ok, is Mojang is wrong. Even if they grant benefits, that article says pets are ok. Uses them as an example! I am just stating this opinion, this is not a flame storm.

The issue is, some people on the forums today think people disagreeing with their ideas is instantly flame. I read through the thread, and I see nothing I call flame. It at least, in My Opinion

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You had quite a few gramatical errors i believe . quote " Basically , what you are saying that if you agree Mojang specifically said pets are ok , Mojang is wrong. " Please put some effort into what you are saying , although your Ipad / Iphone / Android phone is probably using autocorrect. Now lets begin , mojang's EULA states that :
" You are allowed to sell in-game items so long as they don't affect gameplay
We don't mind you selling items in game, but they must be purely cosmetic. Pets, hats, and particle effects are OK, but swords, invincibility potions, and man-eating pigs are not. We want all players to be presented with the same gameplay features, whether they decide to pay or not."
Source taken from Mojang's official website that clarifies all doubts about the new monetization EULA https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-server-monetisation/

As according to my point proven above , and your "uncertainty/doubt" of the reliability of the answers i have provided , i have also provided you with the source where i took the statements from. Check it out yourself .

Therefore to end this off , I strongly believe that massivecraft is allowed to sell anything cosmetic in game , so long as they do not affect gameplay.

Oh and btw , you said the article said that even if pets grant benefits and that is ok , i dont really know where you got that unreliable source from. Next time just check mojang.com

 

[OldManJ98]

You had quite a few gramatical errors i believe . quote " Basically , what you are saying that if you agree Mojang specifically said pets are ok , Mojang is wrong. " Please put some effort into what you are saying , although your Ipad / Iphone / Android phone is probably using autocorrect. Now lets begin , mojang's EULA states that :
" You are allowed to sell in-game items so long as they don't affect gameplay
We don't mind you selling items in game, but they must be purely cosmetic. Pets, hats, and particle effects are OK, but swords, invincibility potions, and man-eating pigs are not. We want all players to be presented with the same gameplay features, whether they decide to pay or not."
Source taken from Mojang's official website that clarifies all doubts about the new monetization EULA https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-server-monetisation/

As according to my point proven above , and your "uncertainty/doubt" of the reliability of the answers i have provided , i have also provided you with the source where i took the statements from. Check it out yourself .

Therefore to end this off , I strongly believe that massivecraft is allowed to sell anything cosmetic in game , so long as they do not affect gameplay.

Oh and btw , you said the article said that even if pets grant benefits and that is ok , i dont really know where you got that unreliable source from. Next time just check mojang.com

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Fun fact hot shot, I checked the site. Maybe you find it is time to flame. First, I am in mobile, just to prove it, I can screenshot me typing this.
Secondly, I would like you to point out exactly where the grammar mistake is.
Third, if you QUOTE pets as ok from Mojang, then they are ok. The article also says Mojang has final say in whether a plugin is ok. If you are saying it is not ok, YOU are going against the new rules set forth by Mojang. I read the article the day after it came out. I think you haven't read it. Your quote from it proves my point that pets are allowed! If we are discussing grammar, you used quotes incorrectly, no spaces before a slash, didn't uppercase when you started a sentence, no period after EULA, the word "I" is supposed to be capitalized, contractions need apostrophes, and I am sure I can find more if I look. Try not being a hypocrite.
Oh and btw, those screenshots

 

[FieryBacon]

Fun fact hot shot, I checked the site. Maybe you find it is time to flame. First, I am in mobile, just to prove it, I can screenshot me typing this.
Secondly, I would like you to point out exactly where the grammar mistake is.
Third, if you QUOTE pets as ok from Mojang, then they are ok. The article also says Mojang has final say in whether a plugin is ok. If you are saying it is not ok, YOU are going against the new rules set forth by Mojang. I read the article the day after it came out. I think you haven't read it. Your quote from it proves my point that pets are allowed! If we are discussing grammar, you used quotes incorrectly, no spaces before a slash, didn't uppercase when you started a sentence, no period after EULA, the word "I" is supposed to be capitalized, contractions need apostrophes, and I am sure I can find more if I look. Try not being a hypocrite.
Oh and btw, those screenshots

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At least my grammatical errors are understandable.And i did not say i was setting the Mojang EULA , you apparently stated that Mojang EULA states that servers are allowed to sell cosmetic items such as pets with benefits

Basically, what you are saying then if you agree Mojang specifically said parts are ok, is Mojang is wrong. Even if they grant benefits, that article says pets are ok. Uses them as an example! I am just stating this opinion, this is not a flame storm.

The issue is, some people on the forums today think people disagreeing with their ideas is instantly flame. I read through the thread, and I see nothing I call flame. It at least, in My Opinion

when in fact mojang EULA states that that is not correct from here https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-server-monetisation/

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Try to read the EULA page next time . Im going to get a moderator to lock this , thanks to you , others will not be able to have fun and discuss and have a mass debate. I also stated that if i sounded harsh just tell me , dont need to flame this post.

I would like to once again state that I am not looking for any bad blood , or cause any hatred between me and other players. if i sounded harsh , please just tell me , do not cause this thread to flame , i would like to have it open to see player's views and all.

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PS: Grow a pair , and grow up.

Mods please lock

 

[NChulingeth]

This is very true , maybe we can suggest that bats can no longer glide , this is because of the fact that bats give an advantage to premium users , allowing them to drop safely without taking fall damage and allthink of any ideas ,

let me rephrase.
I think they should be allowed

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[FieryBacon]

what? i just said that bat gliding should be disabled because it poses alot of benefits for premium users , that have quite a fair bit of advantage over non premium users

 

[Togal]

pets r crrpt n nids 2 stahp

 

[BenRekt]

Pet riding a blatant advantage so it violates the EULA.

 

[Suzzie]

Because i wanted my own discussion to see what are player's views , and this thread is not going into a flame thread so i dont see why not .

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I think you missed my point, but oh well.
Anyway, Mojang said pets are O.K. But riding them, that's an advantage. So why don't we stop arguing and move this to the suggestion page Cayorion made.

 

[OldManJ98]

At least my grammatical errors are understandable.And i did not say i was setting the Mojang EULA , you apparently stated that Mojang EULA states that servers are allowed to sell cosmetic items such as pets with benefits

Try to read the EULA page next time . Im going to get a moderator to lock this , thanks to you , others will not be able to have fun and discuss and have a mass debate. I also stated that if i sounded harsh just tell me , dont need to flame this post.


PS: Grow a pair , and grow up.

Mods please lock

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I tried to not be offensive, but your response tells me it is ok.
1. I had 1 wording mistake you pointed out, and that's not understandable. However, your blatant repetitive mistakes are. This makes sense, right? This is what you are trying to say, correct?
2. You stared the flame, you are just asking for a lock because this isn't going your way.
3. What have I done that makes you think I do not have a pair of testicles?
4. What have I done that makes you think I am any younger than you are?
5. I obviously read a different EULA than you, several times. Or You seem to think Mojang saying pets are allowed means that Pets are not allowed, right?
6. What have I done that prevents others from commenting on this thread. Unless I am blind, Pokemon and Suzzie have both also made an opinion, has my comments stopped them?
7. Do not insult my grammar if you continue to make the same mistakes. I have no issue with grammar issues. I do with hypocracy.

 

[Ellimairy]

I disagree on the speed of the pet. These people still pay, so some benefits should be allowed. + It would be stupid in rp if an horse cant outrun somebody.

 

[Suzzie]

-Someone needs ice cause' they just got BURRRNED snip-

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Don't try to reason with him.
Also, @FieryBacon, couple of things.

1. Don't be a hypocrite and point out other's grammar mistakes. You don't even use capital i. And I find your grammar mistakes hard to read.
2. If this was supposed to be a mass debate, this should be in the Mass Debate section.
3. Saying "Mods please look" doesn't get them to look. Tag them, silly. @Ha5h
4. Why are you insulting others? That's just plain rude.
5. Read the EULA again please~
6. @OldManJ98 didn't cause the flame, excuse you. It was a joint effort.
7. Servers are allowed to sell cosmetic elements, such as pets, hats, that stuff.
8. THIS SHOULD BE IN CAYORION'S THREAD FOR SUGGESTIONS
9. And lastly, please take your own advice and grow up. You were the only one who seemed to be...complaining.

 

[OldManJ98]

Don't try to reason with him.
Also, @FieryBacon, couple of things.

1. Don't be a hypocrite and point out other's grammar mistakes. You don't even use capital i. And I find your grammar mistakes hard to read.
2. If this was supposed to be a mass debate, this should be in the Mass Debate section.
3. Saying "Mods please look" doesn't get them to look. Tag them, silly. @Ha5h
4. Why are you insulting others? That's just plain rude.
5. Read the EULA again please~
6. @OldManJ98 didn't cause the flame, excuse you. It was a joint effort.
7. Servers are allowed to sell cosmetic elements, such as pets, hats, that stuff.
8. THIS SHOULD BE IN CAYORION'S THREAD FOR SUGGESTIONS
9. And lastly, please take your own advice and grow up. You were the only one who seemed to be...complaining.

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Amen sister! Jk, I never met you before.

 

[Ha5h]

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