New Survival Map Theory

[indyfan98]

"

• A new world will be produced, hopefully at deadline around mid September/end of September. Much smaller than Essalonia, and without 1.13 blocks. This is largely to give a wider range of biomes for the players, but also because I think I want to return to the idea of Massive with multiple maps. I'm going to likely buy a new rack machine, the second since the server became mine, to ensure that this server has the lowest latency possible. I could wait until 1.13, but frankly, I like building maps, and I want to take a crack at more unique map construction like underground caverns which I haven't done before, and just making new Bo2's to create more variety. It also tackles the problem of overpopulation on Essalonia because of 0 regal costing factions. When Computergeek completes the 1.13 transition, a 1.13 map will be made immediately after within a week." -Monmarty, 08/24/2019

So, where will it be? Well, let's say where it most likely won't be...

• Farah'Deen- almost completely desert. This would lack diversity.
• Sendrass- almost completely jungle
• Jorhilld- too much snow
• Far North- same as above
• Ellador- same as above, but a little less snow.

Where will it maybe be?

• Daen- like, the whole place. Very diverse, with places like Daendroc, Ithania, Teled Methen, etc. Many of these are places we've already visited long ago, but many new players haven't seen.
• Fenderfell- another map we already had, but still is possible.
• Dexai- the homeland of the sihai is possible, as its geography is shrouded in mystery.
• Drowda- I really hope it's here. It's big but no too big, and very exotic.

So, where do you want to explore in lore? I only names the larger landmasses, not the smallet ones, like Etosil or Hadar. The map would still need to be of considerable girth.

 

[FireFan96]

Perhaps Drowda with the resource pack changing the biome colors to be the voidspawn nightmare it is.

 

[Jalapeno690]

Hopefully it has proper snow

 

[MonMarty]

Hopefully it has proper snow

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Could you elaborate what proper or inversely "improper" snow means?

 

[Jalapeno690]

Could you elaborate what proper or inversely "improper" snow means?

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I said proper actually, but anyhow when we think back, fender, new c had good solid snow biomes, had that coldness air to it and honestly that waow factor, currently if I dig a block of snow in essan, it's not replaced, making building a town there pointless, as it will be raining in the town, but snowing in the country side, I have always loved snow biomes, going back as far as Ithania, travelling through it felt as a struggle as you could barely see with the constant snow, it was a nice touch that fitted in well with the survival aspect, something in my opinion is currently lacking

 

[Alj23]

wherever or whatever it is, please give more islands that are of varying size please.

 

[Athorian]

Since when did you get the server, you bought it?

 

[MonMarty]

I said proper actually, but anyhow when we think back, fender, new c had good solid snow biomes, had that coldness air to it and honestly that waow factor, currently if I dig a block of snow in essan, it's not replaced, making building a town there pointless, as it will be raining in the town, but snowing in the country side, I have always loved snow biomes, going back as far as Ithania, travelling through it felt as a struggle as you could barely see with the constant snow, it was a nice touch that fitted in well with the survival aspect, something in my opinion is currently lacking

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I'm not super following. I wasn't calling out or starting an argument, I'm trying to figure out if there's a problem on the user end. I haven't actually used Essalonia much besides the river biome, which there's no snow. I have a very peculiar technique for snow biome making because I think it looks ugly otherwise, let me explain with this image:

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This is a random slope. It contains snow, a stone mountain face and non snow. What we can deduce is:

• Snow definitely does not fall on the grassy areas. These are plains biome.
• Snow definitely does not fall on the stone mountain (marked in orange) This is because I don't like white lines running across the stone material, I think it looks nicer without the snow having fallen on it, so the biomes of these steep mountain slopes is plains to prevent snowfall.
• The pink area has snow cover on the floor, but is too low in the Taiga biome to actually spawn snow (since it snows on a certain Z height). So it will always rain there.
• The purple area is where snow will fall. On an area higher than a certain Z height, and with a slope of a certain % that is lower than 15 degrees I think. All patches of stone there-in, it will not snow but rain.

This is basically "sacrificing consistent snow for beauty sake". I don't like it when snow does this:

I think it looks really ugly, but at the very least, it is super predictable where the snow falls. You can see a clear line and it falls wherever there is a snow block on the floor. Same with this one:

I think this really ugly, personally. It looks unrealistic as hell and sacrifices a lot of the natural beauty of the map's geography to just make things easy. Realistic snow doesn't cover mountains like that:

But the end point of what I'm saying: I haven't "lived" this. I haven't built in the snow biome so I don't know what it feels like to build there. I don't know how cumbersome or struggling it might be to get a nice build going with self-covering snow in a snowy biome.

If you are telling me that the way I am doing it above, sacrificing functionality for beauty, is actually giving you a shitty experience because you want to build a nice base in a snowy biome, I will try to find another way in the new map.

 

[Jalapeno690]

I'm not super following. I wasn't calling out or starting an argument, I'm trying to figure out if there's a problem on the user end. I haven't actually used Essalonia much besides the river biome, which there's no snow. I have a very peculiar technique for snow biome making because I think it looks ugly otherwise, let me explain with this image:

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This is a random slope. It contains snow, a stone mountain face and non snow. What we can deduce is:

• Snow definitely does not fall on the grassy areas. These are plains biome.
• Snow definitely does not fall on the stone mountain (marked in orange) This is because I don't like white lines running across the stone material, I think it looks nicer without the snow having fallen on it, so the biomes of these steep mountain slopes is plains to prevent snowfall.
• The pink area has snow cover on the floor, but is too low in the Taiga biome to actually spawn snow (since it snows on a certain Z height). So it will always rain there.
• The purple area is where snow will fall. On an area higher than a certain Z height, and with a slope of a certain % that is lower than 15 degrees I think. All patches of stone there-in, it will not snow but rain.

This is basically "sacrificing consistent snow for beauty sake". I don't like it when snow does this:

I think it looks really ugly, but at the very least, it is super predictable where the snow falls. You can see a clear line and it falls wherever there is a snow block on the floor. Same with this one:

I think this really ugly, personally. It looks unrealistic as hell and sacrifices a lot of the natural beauty of the map's geography to just make things easy. Realistic snow doesn't cover mountains like that:

But the end point of what I'm saying: I haven't "lived" this. I haven't built in the snow biome so I don't know what it feels like to build there. I don't know how cumbersome or struggling it might be to get a nice build going with self-covering snow in a snowy biome.

If you are telling me that the way I am doing it above, sacrificing functionality for beauty, is actually giving you a shitty experience because you want to build a nice base in a snowy biome, I will try to find another way in the new map.

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Forgive me if I came across as ignorant during my initial response, I was after a 12 hour shift, I will elaborate tomorrow after work

 

[iBeSlurping]

but hey its just a theory, a game theo-

 

[Proudbucket]

 

[Zacatero]

@MonMarty So will the new world likely be similar to Essalonia in that it joins worlds such as New Ceardia and Fendarfell in having a myriad of biomes? Or like Hyarroc/Ellador where the whole world is like one thing? I'm thrilled either way, I love the idea of a new world.