Hi, so I've been a member of massivecraft for a while, I've seen the almighty power of the feesh and first of all I would like to say that I do not bring it back at all. Even though I mention the dreaded fishing skill we all know and love(/hate). So without further ado or anymore pleasantries. I present my proposal to stabilising our economy. I'll start with the problem I see, which is that supposed 'rare' items are too cheap, such as diamonds (everyone's favourite example). So, how do we fix the fact that one rare item is now cheap and easy to obtain? Easy, give people a new resource. Now, I know what everybody will think when they read that, "OMG! N3w mater1al! so I can uprade my g0d armour!'. That isn't at all what I mean... When taxes was introduced, it showed potential, quite a bit of potential in fact. Although these days it's easy to darkroom for about an hour a day just to pay your entire factions tax on your own. What if we add an incentive for leaders and officers to keep their members 'happy', not even irl. What if you supplied your people with luxuries? Like I hear of people smoking opium in rp, wearing pearl necklaces, tasting spices in their food and drinking wine by the gallon just to satisfy their impulses to do so online. My idea is to actually add a new system for factions called 'happiness' (I know original, right...) this system would be similar to individual player faction power, therefore happiness would be individual to each player. An overall average for the faction would be created and that would be your average happiness level, which is crucial to sustaining a healthy faction. It could be measured on s scale from -50 to 50 the lower the number, the lower the happiness. Things needed to be happy; Luxuries! These are essential, you can't expect your people to be happy when they have no drugs or pearls now can you?! Opium could be extracted from naturally occurring flowers (poppies especially), then smoked for boosts of happiness, but would require you to have a certain level of herbalism. As for pearls these could simply be fished out the oceans. Your fishing level could effect the quality of pearls you can find, pearls would be lored in certain colours to garuntee their realism. Jewellery is an interesting concept, perhaps by combining pearls and gems with gold or iron you could create rings and necklaces, again these could be lored certain colours. --------------------------------------------- Eg. Name: Gold ring Lore: (in purple) A hand crafted ring, studded with black and red pearls. --------------------------------------------- Other luxuries could be silks that you could have a rare chance of finding whilst killing spiders or cutting foliage. Perfumes you could brew to make all your people smell nice. Spices you could mine , chop, excavate, and then add to foods to increase happiness ranging from cinnamon, salt, pepper to basil, mint or cajun. Money & friends! If your people see you with lots of cash this would reassure them that their in good hands. Whilst if they have active fellow members around them, this would raise their moral. Both of these could increase happiness greatly. Allies! The more allies you have that are happy the happier you become, meaning that allies play an even more important part than just protection and trade. Winning! Yes, when you kill an enemy in your land, you're pretty chuffed right? When an enemy is killed in your territory, all members online gain a happiness boost. Things that make you sad...; Dying. The more you die inside faction territory, the less happy you become. This is a simple fact, you aren't going to be happy if your not safe. Leader changes, who on Aloria would be happy with a new leader every 5 minutes. I mean seriously... In a realistic situation you'd be quite shocked or upset lowering your happiness temporarily. Unless this new leader brings you more happiness. Low faction money. I'd be upset if my city went bankrupt, wouldn't you? Jealousy. If you have no luxuries and someone has loads, you'd be jealous. Let's face it, if I saw @Skip_HD or @PariahFolk strutting with their jewellery and silk whilst I played with dirt in a pair of leather trousers and a melon block I stole from @Lazzulai, I'd be miffed. Hunger. If you begin to starve, your happiness will decrease. How can you be happy without your crispy realism chicken sitting in your tummy? You can't. Traits! Maybe new extra traits, not counted in the seven or five traits you can pick from but individual traits, like SkullLover which would give you happiness from wearing skulls or HayFever which makes holding flowers force you to be unhappy. Maybe you have to have 1 positive happiness trait and 1 negative? Benefits of being happy!; If the average happiness is above 20 perhaps a 5% mcmmo xp increase? Slight damage reduction inside of faction territory? Chances of finding luxuries increase? Less tax? More power? If it's above 0 then how about tiny little benefits like it takes longer to lose hunger in faction territory? 10% damage reduction from mobs? Curses of being unhappy; If below 0, chances of finding luxuries decreases? Chances of getting regals from mobs decreases? If below -15 take 5% more damage in faction territory? Heal slower? Food gives diminishing returns? Less mcmmo xp? Tax increase and power level decreasion So that's my idea, drop a comment to agree/disagree <# -CFL
I'm terrified to see what would happen if this was implemented, but yet also somehow intrigued.. Although I'm curious on what some of the pvpers would make of it
Actually, most pvpers may be happy, I know a lot of them and would be happy to trade luxuries to them. It would allow stabilisation. Not irradication of one of Massives largest player communities. The idea is more to make sure that money can be spent on something new and rare. Plus, I'd love to see Jemo/Fube/Sevrish jumping around in flowers with a pretty pearl necklace and a silk gown. Wouldn't you?
That was part of what appealed to me, although I'm wondering what you had in mind for implementation. Would accessories take up armor slots? Or would it be some kind of plugin that adds compatibility for a mod to display it? If it doesn't interfere with armor or armor can be modified to still maintain the perks, I would look forward to seeing screenshots of Raptum showing up at factions covered in flowers. Edit: And as an alchemist, I like the idea of more brewing options.
Okay so you know the jewellery loring? The coloured lore to show the gems inside them? Well it would be the same for armour. Adding a rare silk or perfume to your God armour would show up in lore form. Just holding jewellery in your inventory keeps you happy. Maybe an opium smoking feature too? Kind of like speed 3 but with nausea? Edit: mod compatibility would be asking a bit much for the poor mods, they're overworked as it is.
I assume that the lore addition to armor from things such as perfume would have to be removed after a certain time period? If so, I could see that process being problematic. An example of a similar issue is in mcmmo where sometimes there are problems with the summoned animals disappearing. Does this seem like it would be problematic?
Not really, don't think of it as lore, think of it as an enchantment, a piece of code could monitor the amount of happiness received from the perfumed enchantment and then once the happiness gained from it caps the perfume is removed until applied again. This stops the problem of logging and removing your perfumes instead it would count the timer for happiness only when your online.
To me, as someone who likes to look at the developer's side of things, I see enchants and lore as almost the same thing, they are both just a subtag within the itemstack's data. Programmatically, the main difference is that enchants are checked when the item is used where as lore is mainly checked when rendering the tool tip display. It is worth noting that, effectively, the pseudo-enchants, such as perfumed, are more similar to lore within both client and default server handling. I think that if a normally undefined enchantment id was used in the item's enchant subtag, there is a potential risk of that causing a client crash (not positive since it has been a long time since I've worked with that field). Other than the technicalities behind the scenes, it sounds good, and I like the idea of it tracking what it has done rather than tracking time.
Small question. Should consumable luxuries like opium be added to main thread? What about a food enchant which states that when used (eaten) it gives happiness?
Do you mean like the pseudo-enchantment on the cake4all? Except with some code to back it with functionality? I also feel that there might be some complications when considering it with different races, for example, an orc might not particularly enjoy something that the typical human would love. Edit: To address the initial question, I think that concepts should be established before too many instances are determined.
Exactly why I added in the extra trait option. Yes the same pseudo-enchant By establishing a broader spectrum of concepts surely this would allow a staff member to pick and choose aspects they like/agree on, no?
Nailed it, just like it is up to the staff to tweak configs. Plugins may provide a default, however this is generally just so that it can be played with at all out of the box. The real purpose of a plugin, and arguably this discussion, is to create a framework, not the specifics that go into the framework.
And what is the problem with that? 4 people who care about the server and want to express their views.
Though they are all on the topic of the economy, they are all very drastic in their approaches. Its a good thing that people care enough to come up with ideas to help. I'd rather have a spam of bad ideas then to have everyone with good ideas be too scared to present their proposal due to fear of backlash.
happiness from pets maybe? and traits like DogHate might make happiness go down around wolves or CatLike will make it go up around an ocelot and the more of your pet there are the faster/more your happiness goes? :D
i quite like this idea. what i do not like is that you stole mommehs melon block, can i kindly ask you to give that back? if you refuse, i fear that this fox will have to grow a new melon for her ;^;
Wait... WHAT?! An actual idea for economic improvement that will actually work?! I fully support this!
Frankly, I dislike this idea. I don't need a rare lore item to tell me when I'm happy. Anyways, I feel that the economy is just fine. If you really want to help it, and you feel that diamonds aren't "rare" enough anymore, buy as many diamonds as you can, then burn them. An easy fix, if everyone contributes. :)
Make them be happy! Yes I can see it now.. turn everyone into skeletons with "SkullLover" Muahahahahah -cough- -cough- I mean yes I would love to be happy and as a reward for being positive gain additional buffs..
something we never concidert, in the case this would be a thing, this has to be coded @Madus how difficult would this be to code if this would become a thing you think?
Actually, this seems possible, although it could take a while, I might not be the most qualified, I have enough experience with bukkit and java to say that it is definitely possible.
I don't like this idea. My main reason being the faction nerfs when happiness is low. All this just seems unnecessary and I don't honestly think it would help the economy all that much. Diamonds are cheap because believe it or not they aren't rare at all and this isn't because of fishing. I wasn't around when fishing loot was enabled but from what I hear as far as bringing in diamonds it wasn't OP at all when compared to actual mining. I can easily pull in a few stacks of diamond blocks in under an hour using nothing but a Silk Touch god pick with Super Breaker and then breaking all that with a Fortune 3 god pick. When using a Silk Touch pick you get 2 ore blocks for every 1 found if you have maxed mining and with Super Breaker you get 3 ore blocks for every 1 found. So basically you can get like 9 or more diamonds for every ore block you find in the wild and if you know how to properly strip mine you can find a lot of diamonds in very little time. So yeah as far as diamonds are concerned there really isn't anything wrong with the price I mean 400 to 450r for something that takes very little time to accumulate is not bad at all.
