Archived Good Vs. Evil: Improving Role Play, Races, And Faction Alliances

[Le Chatelier]

First, Before posting this I read MonMarty's post about how they are no longer taking new race suggestions due to their high quantity and low quality. I hope this idea is not of low quality. I started this discussion in general chat and several players suggested I create a forum. Thanks to Diamondsword1325, posidon351, and several others who also helped form the idea.

This idea started when I was thinking about all these races we have and how some things don't seem to match with traditional fictional alliances. For example, Orcs and Elves being in the same faction. I recently watched Lord of the Rings. You would never ever see Elves and Orcs fighting on the same team. Also, currently there seems to be an uneven discrimination of everyone against vampires. It would be nice if this anger could be spread evenly against all races, not just vampires.

My idea to create more races and spread out the anger taken towards vampires is to create good and bad versions of every races. This would not involve anyone coming up with new bonuses for different races. For example, a goblin race could be created that has the exact same bonus as elves do. This does not create a "new race bonus", simply a title. It also makes role playing a little more realistic. While I would never imagine elves and orcs fighting together, it is easy to imagine goblins and orcs fighting together.

Good Races vs. Evil races​

Elves (good with bows) Goblins​

Humans (average with everything) Minion​

Dwarves (good with axes) ????????​

??????? (swords bonus) Orcs​

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There are some races that could go both ways still and don't need a good/evil counter race created. For example Maiar, or Angi. Are they good or evil? For things like this, developers could either do nothing, or allow people to choose to be a Dark Maiar or Dark Angi.​

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Here are some other possible ideas. I know in Lord of the Rings it seemed like orcs fought in hand to hand combat and goblins were archers. That is why I think goblin is a good counter race for elves. At the same time, some people in general chat said goblins are the same as orcs and that the new counter race should just be Dark Elves.​

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Also what about a Fallen Angel race. could be similar to vampires with extra jump and an extra strong and fast "holy" mode. And, they can't go outside when it is dark. Not sure what they would eat. Holy water instead of blood?​

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I really think creating good/evil races would help with defining factions as Good or Evil. This could also affect how factions choose allies. There would be large groups of good factions vs. large groups of evil factions. The Crimson could still hunt vampires, but new good/evil races would stop it from being the whole world against vampires. Lastly, we would no longer have orcs and elves fighting side by side.​

 

[Overlordqwerty]

First of all, we don't want to base massivecraft's lore to much on LOTR.

There is some problems with what you have said
1. orcs are not evil, they are just war hungry and like fighting, orcs will happily attack elves, humans, dwarfs, tigarians, other orcs, whatever. You name it orcs will fight it. Vampires however are controlled by Mrs Baver, the dark banshee.
2. most races, be they evil or good, would want nothing to do with vampires (in a RP sense), its really about the individual person not the race.
3. humans are good a farming and wood cutting so you would need some sort of worker race to be the evil counter for them.
4. I don't like the fallen angel idea personally, and holy water is way to expensive to eat.
5. some races can be good or bad (actually they all can)

 

[Grixer]

Evil is not some title. Evil is shown by our actions as players. The last thing we need is good and evil set in stone by a plugin.. Alignment can be extremely unpredictable. Maybe its you that should change and not the game.

 

[SkywardSword]

At DeathFist, we roleplay dark races, such as orc, dark elf, chaos dwarf. Although dark, this does not make us evil. This is where I disagree with this where it is good vs. evil. Meaning, if I am an orc, goblin or dark race, I am evil? That would make my entire faction (dark RP themed) evil as well, which we are far from. Just maybe consider calling it Dark vs. Light?

 

[EyebrowsJ]

I'm reading a book out of the DragonLance saga. The orcs (or maybe ogres) control Minotaurs (they do rebel), but they are ultimately controlled by the DragonQueen. If we base this off a less common series (as I see it :3), we would have more evil races than vampires.

 

[Grixer]

You want good vs evil? The day is breaking on the horizon.

 

[Sevrish]

I'm reading a book out of the DragonLance saga. The orcs (or maybe ogres) control Minotaurs (they do rebel), but they are ultimately controlled by the DragonQueen. If we base this off a less common series (as I see it :3), we would have more evil races than vampires.

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yay for dragonlance readers.

 

[Imboring56]

Evil races? I'm half dark elf, half human. How is the dark races thing supposed to explain that? Oh, that's right. It can't.

I disagree with this so strongly. Many factions have a variety of races, and these evil races will ruin the factions.

 

[Mecharic]

I wanna be a kitty loving vampire that wears pink while also being a war mongering human that eats the people he kills. Y U NO LET ME BE WHAT I WANT BE?

 

[pldeutz188]

As long as there is a race that is indestructible, and neither can they kill anyone else. Thus peaceful.

 

[Overlordqwerty]

As long as there is a race that is indestructible, and neither can they kill anyone else. Thus peaceful.

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You know, you need to stop going on about peaceful worlds, factions, races, whatever. On massivecraft its NOT going to happen.

 

[pldeutz188]

Because you don't want it to happen? Your not the admin or moderator. You obviously don't care about people who wish to have alternatives. Why are you enforcing your opinion on me? lol k whatever

 

[Overlordqwerty]

Because you don't want it to happen? Your not the admin or moderator. You obviously don't care about people who wish to have alternatives. Why are you enforcing your opinion on me? lol k whatever

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1. admins have said what I said
2. people like you have may alternatives, there are lots of other servers to choose from
3. stop bringing a threads topic to other threads
4. me, and most people on this server don't want it to happen
5. I'm not forcing anything, you can leave the server if you don't like how it is, it's not going to change just because you want it to, so far there has been no one else supporting your argument and may people against it

 

[pldeutz188]

Many support it and have discussed it with me. Many desire to be peaceful. I was not bringing that over, I was commenting seperately. I don't and will not leave the server so stop that argument. The majority would not want it, but if it didnt clash with any of your raiding activities, it could be an effective avenue.

 

[Overlordqwerty]

Many support it and have discussed it with me. Many desire to be peaceful. I was not bringing that over, I was commenting seperately. I don't and will not leave the server so stop that argument. The majority would not want it, but if it didnt clash with any of your raiding activities, it could be an effective avenue.

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(chuckle)I laugh how you assume I am a raider, I have only raided twice in my entire time on massivecraft. The first time there was no one home so I really shouldn't count that. The second time was during the imperial war, some of my faction members wanted to be heroes so 3 of us went and raided valyria. Only grixer was online. If you think 3 vs 1 is easy win for the 3 think again, that's all i'm going to say about that particular event. I run a peaceful faction but I don't believe making someone unkillable in the same area others can be killed is a good idea. Including making a race that is unkillable.

 

[MorgothTheDark]

First, Before posting this I read MonMarty's post about how they are no longer taking new race suggestions due to their high quantity and low quality. I hope this idea is not of low quality. I started this discussion in general chat and several players suggested I create a forum. Thanks to Diamondsword1325, posidon351, and several others who also helped form the idea.

This idea started when I was thinking about all these races we have and how some things don't seem to match with traditional fictional alliances. For example, Orcs and Elves being in the same faction. I recently watched Lord of the Rings. You would never ever see Elves and Orcs fighting on the same team. Also, currently there seems to be an uneven discrimination of everyone against vampires. It would be nice if this anger could be spread evenly against all races, not just vampires.

My idea to create more races and spread out the anger taken towards vampires is to create good and bad versions of every races. This would not involve anyone coming up with new bonuses for different races. For example, a goblin race could be created that has the exact same bonus as elves do. This does not create a "new race bonus", simply a title. It also makes role playing a little more realistic. While I would never imagine elves and orcs fighting together, it is easy to imagine goblins and orcs fighting together.

Good Races vs. Evil races​

Elves (good with bows) Goblins​

Humans (average with everything) Minion​

Dwarves (good with axes) ????????​

??????? (swords bonus) Orcs​

​

There are some races that could go both ways still and don't need a good/evil counter race created. For example Maiar, or Angi. Are they good or evil? For things like this, developers could either do nothing, or allow people to choose to be a Dark Maiar or Dark Angi.​

​

Here are some other possible ideas. I know in Lord of the Rings it seemed like orcs fought in hand to hand combat and goblins were archers. That is why I think goblin is a good counter race for elves. At the same time, some people in general chat said goblins are the same as orcs and that the new counter race should just be Dark Elves.​

​

Also what about a Fallen Angel race. could be similar to vampires with extra jump and an extra strong and fast "holy" mode. And, they can't go outside when it is dark. Not sure what they would eat. Holy water instead of blood?​

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I really think creating good/evil races would help with defining factions as Good or Evil. This could also affect how factions choose allies. There would be large groups of good factions vs. large groups of evil factions. The Crimson could still hunt vampires, but new good/evil races would stop it from being the whole world against vampires. Lastly, we would no longer have orcs and elves fighting side by side.​

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I believe it is a large part of joy for the player to decide who their character is. While I understand what you are saying, it is fun to know you can play any Race and that morality is a completely separate choice.

 

[MonMarty]

Evil or good are player choises, Cayorion does not support creating races that are purely evil. Morality wise it's not that vampires are evil, people just hate their state of being, how they live, how they fight, etc.

 

[MonMarty]

Then why do other staff members lecture us about how vampires should act in RP?

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This statement lacks proper information to be responded to.

Which staff?
What do they say?
Examples?
etc.

 

[favoured]

Tutto, there has to be some structure in roleplay, otherwise some guy could just say "IMMA GIANT FLOATING PANCAKE, FEAR ME!" We cant have people at spawn saying "IMMA VAMPIRE! WHO WANTS TO BE INFECTED?" Plus, I wouldn't say the staff lectures, its more like they burn vampires slowly into a fine ash

 

[ChrisVenom]

Vamparism is a disease not a Race, this fact ruins the point of this thread.

 

[MonMarty]

There are many complaints about vampire RP, but mostly generated by the fact that many vampires abuse in game mechanics to avoid RP and ruin RP for others that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with their morality.

Examples of this are:

• Trolling vampire hunters in safezones
• Trolling vampire hunters from the shades of buildings and trees
• Dying and then running back where they died to continue trolling
• continuing the delusion that vampires are a race
• roleplay things that go against the lore, for example pregnant vampires
• the list goes on

 

[Mecharic]

Tutto, there has to be some structure in roleplay, otherwise some guy could just say "IMMA GIANT FLOATING PANCAKE, FEAR ME!" We cant have people at spawn saying "IMMA VAMPIRE! WHO WANTS TO BE INFECTED?" Plus, I wouldn't say the staff lectures, its more like they burn vampires slowly into a fine ash

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I'm a waffle... not a pancake...