Handled Flywater, My One True Love!

Can we please discuss the recently removed trait "flywater"? From what I understand the overall reason for it's removal was because PvP'ers were getting annoyed that combat was hard or not reliable at flight speed. However, I don't think this argument is even close to enough for the trait to be entirely removed. Here's why:

First, this server has more role players and general players/non-PvP'ers that our voice (which is fairly unanimously against the removal of the trait) should outweigh the complaints of PvP'ers who happen to not like one small inconvenience that it causes them.

Second, my Maiar Roleplay is totally dependant upon being able to explore the vast oceans and protect my under water home, but without flywater, I am forced to reserve myself to becoming a bottom feeder! (Depth Strider III + Water Breathing + NightVision). The fact is I play as a shark person, and sharks move very very fast in the water. This is totally cramping my RP style!

Third, I believe that I, as a water creature, should have a huge tactical advantage in water against any other race. Yet, without the ability to swim swiftly, really no matter what I do, I have no advantage at all in the water when it comes to combat. Furthermore, Being a fish person, I think it is entirely... ENTIRELY... fair for me to see that I am losing a fight on land and retreat to the water, and if my pursuer should choose to chase me, if he is not a Maiar, he should be easy pray within my domain, but this is definitely not the case.

I, along with many in the community (I state that as fact based upon lots of in game conversations) am really upset that I am no longer allowed to build flywater into my kit. Being a shark person was a dream, it was like jumping into a new world and I loved it! It was a critical feature in the roleplay/faction crossover environment and I'm incredibly sad (after over 3 years being on this server, to see it go)

Let's talk solutions that will make everyone happy! I would love to hear some insight from the PvP'ers in the community, as well as some of the server administrators on their thoughts and what they are currently doing relating to this issue.

I propose, that flywater be brought back. I would be willing to pay a higher trait point cost for it (It used to be +50 to have in your kit). It's hard for me as a skillful underwater warrior to accept the trait be disabled during PvP, despite the server not exactly being perfect for it, I have had tons of epic battles in the oceans of Aloria, and I'd love to write about many more, but I would like to ask the PvP'ers this... If you were in a situation where a player who had flywater equipped fled from you into the ocean, or effectively outmaneuvered you within the water and killed you. Would you really be that upset? I ask you this because I know many PvP'ers were happy about the removal, but is that small improvement from your perspective really worth the pain and suffering that it has caused for us Maiar Role Players and Explorers?

Please give me your thoughts guys! I don't want anyone to be hateful, but I'd love for everyone to advocate for their side and propose solutions that they believe will improve the situation to make everyone happy, or at least make more people happy than current amount.

Remember everyone, we are a community, we are a team, and together we can make our voices and opinions mean something.

#BRINGBACKFLYWATER!!!

Love, Ren

 

Ok, you guys are kind of getting off point. We're not gaining much from arguing. To address your point that there is no such thing as a skilled water fighter, that is definitely false. I have, over 3 years, become really really good at controlling my character in the water (provided flywater is available). When it comes to a direct roleplay application, you cant do a ton with combat RP, it is hard to make it work especially in a no hard rules survival environment. My argument stands for the rp/survival crossover environment that we call factions worlds. In this environment, if you encounter a Maiar, and you are not one, but you decide to go and take on a Maiar (whether words or spoken or not) you should be at a disadvantage if you chase that Maiar into the water, this just intuitively makes sense. For example, when you're in a swamp, full of crocodiles, you do your best to stay on dry land or in a boat. If you fall in the water, you're likely croc food. It makes sense... Therefore the idea that a Maiar should have command over his or her domain when facing creatures not natural to the water (any other RP race) is a completely reasonable argument. If you as a PvP'er are afraid of the water, because you know that the Maiar you were just fighting jumped in and now has a big advantage, then you wouldn't go in! It all makes perfect sense. Additionally, I do agree that flywater should possibly cost more. This would allow players to take it knowing full well that they will also have combat weaknesses.

The flip side to this PvP argument is that people who jump in the water do so strategically, they see a PvP player loaded with positive combat stats (on land of course) and they know that they are at a huge strategical disadvantage.

The "flywater shouldn't be allowed during PvP" argument is similar this theoretical example I'm going to give.

THEORETICAL EXAMPLE : I play in the survival worlds as a Shark Maiar, with the traits flywater, waterbreathing, nightvision, and several combat weaknesses such as axevulnerable, and archeryvulnerable. Then I go up on land and get slaughtered by all of the PvP'ers who use Speed2. So I clearly have this disadvantage right? What are my options? Well my first option is to try to lure those people into the water where I have the advantage, my other option is to raise hell in the community, saying that Speed2 is totally not a fair trait, it makes it so that its impossible for me to have a good fight on land and I always lose to all of those speedy quick land PvP'ers. Then of course, if I take that option, I push for speed2 to be removed because it makes fighting on land unfair for people like me who have water oriented builds.

Now lets think about that whole argument I just made up... It sounds totally stupid right? Like really really stupid! The real solution is for me to stay in my domain and take on the fights that I know I can win! When it comes to PvP in the rp/survival crossover worlds (factions worlds) the same concept should apply. If you build your character in such a way that he/she is a total PvP monster (on land) then you should be able to dominate on land, and no one should have any right to tell you that you shouldn't be able to dominate on land. I personally would never do that! If you have your traits set up so that you are a total beast, then I will run, even so, you will probably still catch up and kill me, oh well thats just the way it goes haha!

So, when the main portion of the PvP community bands together to speak out against flywater, simply because it makes it harder for them to slaughter everything they see, it totally makes things unfair to the PvP'ers who build their characters, such that they have an advantage in the water. (Of course it also negatively affects all of the people who just use the trait as an exploratory tool, or an immersive tool, but we covered that)

I think we should celebrate eachother's different playstyles! It's these different ideas and preferences we all have that make MassiveCraft an awesome and unique community! We all love to play a different way, and it's important to realize that you can't win them all, but that is no reason to protest in the times that you don't win. After all, there is no huge protest against you, making an awesome, unstoppable war orc, and why would there be? It's a cool concept that you enjoy! Have fun and kill stuff, but don't force me to change the way I play, effectively making my play experience less fun, in a selfish effort to make your experience better.

Disclaimer: I agree that there are issues involving flywater in the situation of PvP in the ocean where both of the opponents possess the trait, I realize that this form of combat is sketchy and maybe not super enjoyable for anyone, but I do not think that the solution to that problem is to remove the trait all together.

Wow, that was a long thing there wasnt it? Haha!

So, please guys let me know what you think about the argument I've presented, Are there holes in my logic? Is there something I'm missing or something that you just don't agree with? Let me know, I really want to learn from you guys and your perspectives.

Thanks so much for reading!