Archived /f Jail

EliteBiometric · Apr 7, 2015

I think, /f jail would be great as maybe someone is being annoying and you dont want to kick them, or trying to get people away from PVP, /f jail would be great! I thought of some statistics for it, if they go on faction land they will go in jail. It works the same as /f home, on that block. You can assign chunks as jail chunks (You need to do /f access for someone to use) and overall, it could add to faction RP.

I hope you take on this idea

Joshy54100 · Apr 7, 2015

EliteBiometric said:
I think, /f jail would be great as maybe someone is being annoying and you dont want to kick them, or trying to get people away from PVP, /f jail would be great! I thought of some statistics for it, if they go on faction land they will go in jail. It works the same as /f home, on that block. You can assign chunks as jail chunks (You need to do /f access for someone to use) and overall, it could add to faction RP.

I hopeyou take on this idea

Only problem, as mentioned quite a lot for this suggestion, is how people would abuse it to jail people and not let them play, ever.

EliteBiometric · Apr 7, 2015

yes, but you would still be able to leave the faction, and there should be a time duration (1 jail = 5 mins, jail that person every 30 mins) That would be better.

Joshy54100 · Apr 7, 2015

EliteBiometric said:
yes, but you would still be able to leave the faction, and there should be a time duration (1 jail = 5 mins, jail that person every 30 mins) That would be better.

I think that if someone is really being annoying then you should also consider demoting them (If it's a consistent thing, not just a one time thing, don't get me wrong). This will make them have something to work for and force them to have good behavior if they want to regain their previous ranking. If they're a recruit, then you should just kick them if it's consistent, that's why they have the "recruit" rank anyways, because they're new to the faction and it's ways. They aren't supposed to be permanent. That's how I would deal with it (my opinion)

EliteBiometric · Apr 7, 2015

Joshy54100 said:
I think that if someone is really being annoying then you should also consider demoting them (If it's a consistent thing, not just a one time thing, don't get me wrong). This will make them have something to work for and force them to have good behavior if they want to regain their previous ranking. If they're a recruit, then you should just kick them if it's consistent, that's why they have the "recruit" rank anyways, because they're new to the faction and it's ways. They aren't supposed to be permanent. That's how I would deal with it (my opinion)

Sorry but i'm not asking for a suggestion or opinion I am just putting that in as an idea to do it. There is defiantly better ideas, thats just all I could think of :c

EliteBiometric · Apr 7, 2015

And this room would serve it's use if it is added

aprader1 · Apr 7, 2015

i mean i guess but you could just give some people elevated access to an area and demoted access to the jail...

EliteBiometric · Apr 7, 2015

aprader1 said:
i mean i guess but you could just give some people elevated access to an area and demoted access to the jail...

Yeah but then you could just do /f home.

Billy_Rage · Apr 7, 2015

You say it could be useful for faction RP. Explain, I can't think of anything and you seemed to throw it in as an attempt to have more support.

Gabauchi · Apr 7, 2015

Just make the incompetent little bugger wrot in jail, and tell him if he gets caught trying anything he gets the boot/lynching/ temp.[perm.] demotion

GARYtheCANNIBAL · Apr 7, 2015

In my opinion, only staff should have the authority to jail people, period. Under no circumstances would this be okay for fac officers to impose on their members. Mostly because of the better alternatives of demoting/kicking the offender who would've been jailed had this been added.

EliteBiometric · Apr 8, 2015

Billy_Rage said:
You say it could be useful for faction RP. Explain, I can't think of anything and you seemed to throw it in as an attempt to have more support.

Well I thought it would be useful in RP as someone may have broke one of your faction's rules (There must be alot of other reasons too) and you jail them. Or, maybe even prison guards will have more of a use, instead of doing nothing

EliteBiometric · Apr 8, 2015

Gabauchi said:
Just make the incompetent little bugger wrot in jail, and tell him if he gets caught trying anything he gets the boot/lynching/ temp.[perm.] demotion

Yes, but imagine if you had to do something, in real life, and that person could just do /f home. And when your back, maybe his time is up but he's been doing stuff outdside, the jail cell

EliteBiometric · Apr 8, 2015

GARYtheCANNIBAL said:
In my opinion, only staff should have the authority to jail people, period. Under no circumstances would this be okay for fac officers to impose on their members. Mostly because of the better alternatives of demoting/kicking the offender who would've been jailed had this been added.

As I said, it shouldn't be for a general faction use. It could be used in RolePlay, or your (the stupidest example) you made something for someone, and they're getting near. They would be good times to jail someone

krios41 · Apr 8, 2015

it's way to easy to abuse. people said this before, i repeat it again.

da_CamelQueen · Apr 8, 2015

I think if you want more POsitive feedback you should try getting into a lot more detail.

Billy_Rage · Apr 8, 2015

EliteBiometric said:
Well I thought it would be useful in RP as someone may have broke one of your faction's rules (There must be alot of other reasons too) and you jail them. Or, maybe even prison guards will have more of a use, instead of doing nothing

If someone RP breaks the rules, they serve and RP punishment. They will be walked to the building that is the fac's prison. The /f jail would cut out RP.

krios41 · Apr 8, 2015

@Brycea111 please explain yourself, i have read the subject again, and came to the same conclusion.

Brycea111 · Apr 8, 2015

krios41 said:
it's way to easy to abuse. people said this before, i repeat it again.

If a bunch of people have already voiced the same exact opinion why must you pile on if he already knows from the other people?

krios41 · Apr 8, 2015

Brycea111 said:
If a bunch of people have already voiced the same exact opinion why must you pile on if he already knows from the other people?

so he knows on wich side i am, that's why i did it.
i don't see harm in doing that.

EliteBiometric · Apr 8, 2015

Billy_Rage said:
If someone RP breaks the rules, they serve and RP punishment. They will be walked to the building that is the fac's prison. The /f jail would cut out RP.

Well, it does have non-RP uses like I have said at first. Like stopping someone from PvPing, or maybe saving them from dying, things like that would make it seem much more useful than I have quoted before.

Billy_Rage · Apr 8, 2015

EliteBiometric said:
Well, it does have non-RP uses like I have said at first. Like stopping someone from PvPing, or maybe saving them from dying, things like that would make it seem much more useful than I have quoted before.

I understand it has PVP uses, just no RP uses. I was just commenting on the common veiw of pvpers who suggest a change for PVP and then state it helps to even through it doesn't.

This idea could be cool, just not for RP.

EliteBiometric · Apr 8, 2015

Billy_Rage said:
I understand it has PVP uses, just no RP uses. I was just commenting on the common veiw of pvpers who suggest a change for PVP and then state it helps to even through it doesn't.

This idea could be cool, just not for RP.

I do understand that, it's just I know it could be used for RP (Even though me and the majority wont) It would have advantages and disadvantages to faction RP

Jackmo_Jones · Apr 8, 2015

EliteBiometric said:
Well, it does have non-RP uses like I have said at first. Like stopping someone from PvPing, or maybe saving them from dying, things like that would make it seem much more useful than I have quoted before.

If you are getting raided a lot and you wanna deal with those idiots that keep going outside there is an easy fix. Make your f home secure. Use doors that operate with stone buttons and alter the perms so Recruits can't use stone buttons and don't have build perms and then just demote anyone who is causing trouble. They will be stuck in your f home or they will have to go somewhere else outside of your fac and in a safe zone like Regalia. If you get a really persistent player who uses /home to get to their faction home and then continues going outside you can either make their house the same as f home with stone button activated doors or you can simply kick them from your fac. You're better off not having people like that in your fac anyway.

EliteBiometric · Apr 8, 2015

Yes, i just wanna say all your ideas against it are great!

But wouldn't it just be good to have there? Just to know, 'I don't have to kick that guy' and do /f jail?

pushpins · Apr 8, 2015

EliteBiometric said:
I think, /f jail would be great as maybe someone is being annoying and you dont want to kick them, or trying to get people away from PVP, /f jail would be great! I thought of some statistics for it, if they go on faction land they will go in jail. It works the same as /f home, on that block. You can assign chunks as jail chunks (You need to do /f access for someone to use) and overall, it could add to faction RP.

I hope you take on this idea

I fully support this idea and hope to see it implemented. Pushpins

Absinthe · Apr 8, 2015

EliteBiometric said:
But wouldn't it just be good to have there? Just to know, 'I don't have to kick that guy' and do /f jail?

If that's the case then just don't kick them and do the demote things people have said above?
I mean, yes it would be easier for you to just jail a person rather than doing that demoting business but if you're not dedicated enough to bother with actually taking the time to punish a faction member... then that's a different problem on it's own.

Joshy54100 · Apr 8, 2015

Something that I also thought of is how it could be abused in PvP. If you're the leader of a faction, and one of your members is fighting and they're about to die, couldn't you just jail them? I guess it would first check if the person that is PvPing is pacifist false, but if they're pacifist true, but just running away or otherwise about to engage in fighting, it seems that it could be abused easily in ways that this plugin won't be able to detect.

OldManJ98 · Apr 8, 2015

Joshy54100 said:
Something that I also thought of is how it could be abused in PvP. If you're the leader of a faction, and one of your members is fighting and they're about to die, couldn't you just jail them? I guess it would first check if the person that is PvPing is pacifist false, but if they're pacifist true, but just running away or otherwise about to engage in fighting, it seems that it could be abused easily in ways that this plugin won't be able to detect.

I agree with this. I thought the same thing when I first saw this.

aprader1 · Apr 9, 2015

Joshy54100 said:
Something that I also thought of is how it could be abused in PvP. If you're the leader of a faction, and one of your members is fighting and they're about to die, couldn't you just jail them? I guess it would first check if the person that is PvPing is pacifist false, but if they're pacifist true, but just running away or otherwise about to engage in fighting, it seems that it could be abused easily in ways that this plugin won't be able to detect.

before any pvp changes and stuff like that we have to remember 1.9 the combat update is coming. we shouldn't be to hasty as spending so much time developing it could be wasted. i know 1.9 is a long ways away and still a mystery but i don't think developing anything pvp wise would be... wise. as for the jail, im not sure its necessary because you can make an rp jail with demote access to it. most people enjoy rp if they are in to it and wont f home like you say. even giving less perms there wouldn't be necessary because if your rping you don't break rules like that, it ruins the fun.

VANBROWN · Apr 9, 2015

This sucks fun out of the game for people. No one is allowed to decide for someone else how to play. It has to be fun and this is a obligation by some power-hungry faction leader. I agree with Jackmo. Make your /f home decent instead of this.
The mods can use jail only to deal with problem people. That's the way it should be and remain. The way you want it, will just incite abuse and people rage quitting.

Joshy54100 · Apr 9, 2015

aprader1 said:
before any pvp changes and stuff like that we have to remember 1.9 the combat update is coming. we shouldn't be to hasty as spending so much time developing it could be wasted. i know 1.9 is a long ways away and still a mystery but i don't think developing anything pvp wise would be... wise. as for the jail, im not sure its necessary because you can make an rp jail with demote access to it. most people enjoy rp if they are in to it and wont f home like you say. even giving less perms there wouldn't be necessary because if your rping you don't break rules like that, it ruins the fun.

What PvP change that I suggested are you referring to? I didn't make any in that previous post at all, I only brought up a concern that I had for OP's idea.

65jes89 · Apr 9, 2015

aprader1 said:
before any pvp changes and stuff like that we have to remember 1.9 the combat update is coming. we shouldn't be to hasty as spending so much time developing it could be wasted. i know 1.9 is a long ways away and still a mystery but i don't think developing anything pvp wise would be... wise. as for the jail, im not sure its necessary because you can make an rp jail with demote access to it. most people enjoy rp if they are in to it and wont f home like you say. even giving less perms there wouldn't be necessary because if your rping you don't break rules like that, it ruins the fun.

Mojang/Microsoft has said that they have no current plans to change the actual mechanics of PvP, or combat itself. It is called the combat update due to changes with the bosses. At most, the most altering they will do is add a few new potions/enchants. Nothing game changing, so 1.9 isn't really relevant to either joshy' point, nor elitebiometrics'.

Joshy54100 · Apr 10, 2015

65jes89 said:
Mojang/Microsoft has said that they have no current plans to change the actual mechanics of PvP, or combat itself. It is called the combat update due to changes with the bosses. At most, the most altering they will do is add a few new potions/enchants. Nothing game changing, so 1.9 isn't really relevant to either joshy' point, nor elitebiometrics'.

I never heard anyone say that they wouldn't update the 'PvP system'. Could you provide a source for that?

Absinthe · Apr 10, 2015

65jes89 said:
Mojang/Microsoft has said that they have no current plans to change the actual mechanics of PvP, or combat itself. It is called the combat update due to changes with the bosses. At most, the most altering they will do is add a few new potions/enchants. Nothing game changing, so 1.9 isn't really relevant to either joshy' point, nor elitebiometrics'.

A reddit post by dinnerbone begs to differ.
Also, source @Joshy54100

Joshy54100 · Apr 10, 2015

Absinthe said:
A reddit post by dinnerbone begs to differ.
Also, source @Joshy54100

Yeah. I saw that post on Reddit, very exciting. Not the source that I mentioned that I wanted, though, I wanted something from Mojang that is contrary to that, since he claimed that Mojang said that they wouldn't update PvP.

Absinthe · Apr 10, 2015

Joshy54100 said:
Yeah. I saw that post on Reddit, very exciting. Not the source that I mentioned that I wanted, though, I wanted something from Mojang that is contrary to that, since he claimed that Mojang said that they wouldn't update PvP.

I meant source that they didn't say that, as opposed to that they did. (The whole not changing pvp thing) I just forgot to add that bit.

0Deedee0 · Apr 10, 2015

Is op trolling? If I'm rp'ing and I'm set to jail, I'm being dragged by the scruff of my neck, not magically popping up in there... Would hinder rp if you ask me...
Also I agree that it could be a call back command... Good for raiders who want to get in and out fast on enemy land (1 person at the back lines the commands up then you rush in, Rush out... Pop into your "jail")... Could ruin a lot more than Rp...
Also Jeff, did levers do your signature art?

Joshy54100 · Apr 10, 2015

0Deedee0 said:
Is op trolling? If I'm rp'ing and I'm set to jail, I'm being dragged by the scruff of my neck, not magically popping up in there... Would hinder rp if you ask me...
Also I agree that it could be a call back command... Good for raiders who want to get in and out fast on enemy land (1 person at the back lines the commands up then you rush in, Rush out... Pop into your "jail")... Could ruin a lot more than Rp...
Also Jeff, did levers do your signature art?

I agree. And no, it's rather obvious he's not trolling :/

Athorian · Apr 13, 2015

To prevent major trolling through jails it could be like the warzone system where you have to pay 5k regals for one jail chunk.

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