Beerando And His Ban.

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tl;dr Beerando lied about MassiveRaces being his plugin, he was banned for recruiting people for his own server

More in depth explanation below.

Since Beerando has already started his propaganda machine over private and skype chat channels, attempting to pit as many people against us as possible by taking things out of context and twisting facts in his favor, I decided to make a general post explaining the situation more thoroughly. I would have given word against his claims in the Heifer chat if I was able, but sadly in a rage fit 05rhardy silenced me in that chat, and nobody else can un-silence me.

Beerando's permban before this last one was generated by his never ending attitude of trying to annoy the staff as much as possible and generally making administrating a living hell for some of us. Because we have lately been showing more leniency, and because most of the staff that were so much against him have been booted out or left, he decided to submit another ban appeal. While most of the staff gave a reply along the lines of "I don't object, but I'm not in favor either" a strong message was pressed on him that if he broke even one small tiny rule, he would be permanently banned again.

For a long while have we suspected that he was using his playtime on MassiveCraft to recruit people for his own server when it launches, but we never had any substantial evidence so no real way of legitimately banning him. That was until a few days ago where he was caught in the act, while also again professing that his own server coder made the races plugin, and that MassiveCraft is basically ripping it off, taking sourcecode therefrom etc.

I did warn Beerando that spreading false facts like this in order to promote his own server was a bannable offence, and as such I instantly permanently banned him.

As for the races plugin: I gave Beerando a fairly accurate comparison which I think explains the situation. Beerando thinks that because the commands of both plugins are the same, that MassiveCraft took his plugin because it was made before ours. My response to this was, "The Mesoamericans and Egyptians both built pyramids completely independent of each other without ever having contact. But because the Egyptians built the pyramids first, the Mayans are rip-offs". Cayorion coded the MassiveRaces plugin by himself in a number of days, every single line of code was produced by himself and not taken from any other plugin. Neither I or he had ever heard about Beerando's coder's plugin, and conceptualized the plugin independently from other people. The reason why Beerando's claims with regards to this are so silly, is because Beerando has never seen the sourcecode of MassiveRaces. Additionally, MassiveRaces has cross server sharding support. Sharding is a private project of Cayorion and it's impossible someone wrote a plugin supporting this system.

I am kindof annoyed I actually have to write this, the majority of people are happy Beerando is gone and I feel wasting any more time or thought on him only serves his point. With regards to the MassiveRaces plugin though, I felt it necessary to state these things as nobody was able to provide a proper counter for his claims.
 
This shouldn't be open for replies...people will only rage here
 
I don't really care to be honest, there was alot of illegitimate clutter in the media thread, and some replies should be made. We as the team generally consider replying to negative opinions as a waste of time since 99% of the time they are unfounded and created just to stirr up drama, meaning replying is simply a waste of energy and only feeds the negative messages with attention, which is counterproductive. In this particular case however it also hits home with a large amount of players and the situation should really be clarified before *some* people continue to rant about this in an attempt to make their own server more apealing.
 
Facts are facts. If they rage, remove the post or mute them.
 
Well, I feel that this ban was needed, as he was taking advantage of the staffs leniency and loss of staff to get away with his silly antics.
 
I'm not removing any posts, people making uninformed statements only proves my point. I've seen some replies in the media thread where someone just blindly follows the crap he is being fed, without even investigating the flipside of the coin.
 
Lol, I think the person Marty was referring to as not looking at the other side WAS frogman :p
 
Burn your ass, sit on the blisters. There is no excuse for ignorant behavior.
 
Not at all, I am referring to fanboys who just run around like wooden planks screaming words that were spoken to them without checking wether they are actually true.
 
Not at all, I am referring to fanboys who just run around like wooden planks screaming words that were spoken to them without checking wether they are actually true.
I'm more of a hater than a fanboy.. Removed 1/2 of his creative world map with Worldedit once. If Rando is reading this: I'll see you in Hell.
 
At first, I thought that Bee's second ban was only done out of spite because so many admins just hated him. This actually gives you more information about the situation and makes it more truthful - separates the facts from the opinions. Now, I realize Bee deserved to be banned.
 
Well, I feel that this ban was needed, as he was taking advantage of the staffs leniency and loss of staff to get away with his silly antics.
Everybody abuses this leniencey. -.- And thats a fact.[DOUBLEPOST=1357233986][/DOUBLEPOST]
I don't really care to be honest, there was alot of illegitimate clutter in the media thread, and some replies should be made. We as the team generally consider replying to negative opinions as a waste of time since 99% of the time they are unfounded and created just to stirr up drama, meaning replying is simply a waste of energy and only feeds the negative messages with attention, which is counterproductive. In this particular case however it also hits home with a large amount of players and the situation should really be clarified before *some* people continue to rant about this in an attempt to make their own server more apealing.

Ok. You've been kind enough to give us the half everyone WANTS to hear. Where's the other? Where are the messages you sent on skype to BeeRando saying stuff like, "You know, its bad when you say your coder made one of your plugins, its unproffessional" and stuff to this effect not only stuff like this, but other things you sent or that others sent harrassing him about his server.
 
Everybody abuses this leniencey. -.- And thats a fact.[DOUBLEPOST=1357233986][/DOUBLEPOST]

Ok. You've been kind enough to give us the half everyone WANTS to hear. Where's the other? Where are the messages you sent on skype to BeeRando saying stuff like, "You know, its bad when you say your coder made one of your plugins, its unproffessional" and stuff to this effect not only stuff like this, but other things you sent or that others sent harrassing him about his server.
Oh my God... Get out..
 
Quote my messages in an authentic method without any reasonable doubt that they were fabricated. I already know you cannot do this. Truth be told, you can't even be 100% sure that Beerando was telling you the truth.

Besides it IS unprofessional to claim something is yours without first checking the sourcecode. Savagesun cannot make the statement that the MassiveRaces plugin is his, since he never looked at the sourcecode, something only Cayorion has access to.
 
Quote my messages in an authentic method without any reasonable doubt that they were fabricated. I already know you cannot do this. Truth be told, you can't even be 100% sure that Beerando was telling you the truth.

Besides it IS unprofessional to claim something is yours without first checking the sourcecode. Savagesun cannot make the statement that the MassiveRaces plugin is his, since he never looked at the sourcecode, something only Cayorion has access to.

This was weeks before this incident Mon. You were clearly talking, if I "quoted your messages in an authentic method", about the races plugin we had. Bee knew it was ours. Also, you CAN be quoted in an authentic method. It isn't too challenging.
 
Don't talk about something and then not do it. You accuse me of making malicious statements and are not backing them up at all.​
Our races plugin is seperate from anything Savagesun has created. If both Beerando and Savagesun claim our plugin was made by them, then they are poor liars.​
 
Don't talk about something and then not do it. You accuse me of making malicious statements and are not backing them up at all.

Our races plugin is seperate from anything Savagesun has created. If both Beerando and Savagesun claim our plugin was made by them, then they are poor liars.
You don't think Bee didn't know this? Your now shooting false statements, Savage has never claimed anyone has taken it. Bee fully believed that the Races plugin we made was ours, and the one you made was yours. Then, after getting threatening reports from some players, he was getting suspicious. BeeRando is not an idiot. Crazy, maybe, but not an idiot. He would not have made such an extreme claim without being so torn he couldn't tell himself.
 
You know something? I had no idea he had been banned or why. And guess what: I could have lived a long happy life not knowing.

However, I did like Mon's post about burning asses, I've added it to my sig :P

Also, Mon, can you reply to my question on the Lore Discussion Rules thread plz?
 
It's a shame I deleted him from my Skype otherwise I'd show you the messages where he happily announces we took his plugin. The races plugin is one of the most successfull plugins to be released on Massivecraft in recent times, trying to benefit from this success by claiming it to be made by your coder is not only petty, it also insults Cayorion who has spent many hours working on the plugin.
 
It's a shame I deleted him from my Skype otherwise I'd show you the messages where he happily announces we took his plugin. The races plugin is one of the most successfull plugins to be released on Massivecraft in recent times, trying to benefit from this success by claiming it to be made by your coder is not only petty, it also insults Cayorion who has spent many hours working on the plugin.
Why is it important when its just about you guys? You do not think this effected anyone else? The way I see it, SavageSun and Cayorion are equals. You seem to deem everyone you know higher than anyone else. People claiming that Savages plugin was stolen, not only freaked him out, but also got to him. Stop deeming you guys like you are gods while other players sit in the trash.
 
If Savagesun doesn't like being told his plugin was stolen then he shouldn't generate the rumor to begin with by telling Beerando, fail.

The first mention I heard of this was Beerando parading to me how his coder announced to him Massivecraft took his plugin.

I am not calling anyone better or higher then anyone else. I am simply calling those who claim MassiveCraft took the races plugin from Savagesun liars, and bad ones at that.
 
If Savagesun doesn't like being told his plugin was stolen then he shouldn't generate the rumor to begin with by telling Beerando, fail.

The first mention I heard of this was Beerando parading to me how his coder announced to him Massivecraft took his plugin.

I am not calling anyone better or higher then anyone else. I am simply calling those who claim MassiveCraft took the races plugin from Savagesun liars, and bad ones at that.
You are AGAIN shooting out lies. SavageSun didn't even know any of the claims until right near his ban. Even then, Savage did not say that it was stolen. You seem to like to focus on lies, and hey I can vouch for that, many of the massivecraft players themselves have sent so much hate to rando, he doesn't even know whats true anymore.
 
Quote me where I lied before, then prove I lied. Stop grasping at straws to prove a point that does not exist. Beerando is not the victim in this situation, no person will take to randomly hating on anyone without being given enough reason to.
 
Fogg, stop changing your story and the subject, you have very little structure in your comments, and absolutely no proof.[DOUBLEPOST=1357235967][/DOUBLEPOST]And he isn't making lies you dumbass frog, you were saying people were saying his plugin was stolen, so he isn't lying!
 
BeeRando is the victim. He was banned after so much player harrasment got to him, that he had to say something. Unfortuneatly though, out of all of the lies he had to make a point about, it was races. You said
If Savagesun doesn't like being told his plugin was stolen then he shouldn't generate the rumor to begin with by telling Beerando, fail.
SavageSun had no idea that any of this was occuring for the last few weeks, he has effectively quit the server, only coming back to give out what he had.
 
BeeRando is the victim. He was banned after so much player harrasment got to him, that he had to say something. Unfortuneatly though, out of all of the lies he had to make a point about, it was races. You said
SavageSun had no idea that any of this was occuring for the last few weeks, he has effectively quit the server, only coming back to give out what he had.
I'm gonna go get a cup of tea.
 
he spread rumors and advertised, so even if he was harassed, he still did something wrong after being told he'll be banned for even the slightest slip, so his ban is legit, so lets not get offtopic here.
 
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