Banned From Massivecraft (how Long Must I Wait??)

[EriktheAtienza]

So recently (and by recently I mean today) I was banned from the server for "Public sexual solicitation in Roleplay, inappropriate roleplay." Apparently what happened was that my friend who I let play on my account on the server decided to go to tavern in Regalia. She started to mess with some people in the tavern in Regalia and ended up being confronted by someone dressed as guard in which she responded to the player "suck it" or "suck me off" as an insult, which resulted in my account being banned from the server. I already sent in an appeal for my ban, but I'm still really curious on how long I should expect to be banned for. So if someone has an idea, please let me know.

Also, I just wanted to reflect on this situation. I really do think it's stupid that I was banned for this. It's not primarily because my friend got me banned, but because I feel that an overly sensitive mod decided to ban me for something that wasn't really done in the first place. To ban someone for "sexual solicitation" means that a person was intentionally trying to sexually harass another individual, but in this case it's just a matter of someone insulting another individual. So the accusation is complete nonsense. I feel that this is the outcome of an overly sensitive mod using their privileges to get back at someone like "No one tells me to suck it!!! AUTOMATIC BAN WILL SHOW THEM!" So I feel it's a totally irresponsible and misuse of server authority. Also, as a premium member, it's frustrating to know that I've given people my money to support their server and in return I'm blatantly kicked from it because a mod couldn't handle a common meaningless insult? Someone needs to get their mod application revoked...

 

[Mecharic]

They'll get to your appeal within a few days, if it doesn't go through (which is probably won't the first time) you'll need to wait a month before you can make a new one.

As for the ERP, that is strictly against rules and has very harsh punishment even for moderate breaches like this. MassiveCraft needs to be PG, nothing more, since people as young as 9-10 probably play on the server. They are expected to overreact in order to maintain the civility of the server.

And lastly, I'd suggest deleting any reference to the admin in question, since that will NOT help your appeal at all.

 

[DankeeYankee]

Just because someone is premium does not mean that person can just break the rules and get away with it. Just saying.

 

[EriktheAtienza]

Just because someone is premium does not mean that person can just break the rules and get away with it. Just saying.

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I'm not saying that I'm allowed to break the rules and get away with it. I don't ever start trouble on the server. I play fair and I enjoy my time on it. It's a matter of the principle of being banned for something that I didn't do, both personally as someone who was not behind the keyboard and also for fact that my account is being charged with something that wasn't even being done in the first place which was sexual solicitation.

 

[Mecharic]

Wait a month if they don't get my appeal?? Seriously?? That's ridiculous..I understand and respect the social rules of the server, but my appeal is that it wasn't me using my account in the first place (Even though there's no way for me to prove that to the admins) I didn't say the name of the admin who banned me, so their identity is not an issue. I don't expect my comment about the mod who banned me to help or deter my appeal at all, I'm simply expressing how frustrating it is. I trust that the admins and/or mods are reasonable people and can at least sympathize with me as individuals who (I assume) are avid Minecraft players and (I assume) are also adults like me.

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1) If you own the account you are held liable for any actions it commits, even if it wasn't you who did them. Harsh, but otherwise anyone could get away with anything.
2) Its still best not to comment on the member who banned you, since they are the only one who knows what they were thinking at the time of banning.
3) They are reasonable, but if they sympathize with someone than it would stop being fair to others who break the rules, either by accident or on purpose. They need to assume that everything done was intentional until proven otherwise.

As for the month, that's mostly to avoid getting dozens of appeals I think.

 

[EriktheAtienza]

They'll get to your appeal within a few days, if it doesn't go through (which is probably won't the first time) you'll need to wait a month before you can make a new one.

As for the ERP, that is strictly against rules and has very harsh punishment even for moderate breaches like this. MassiveCraft needs to be PG, nothing more, since people as young as 9-10 probably play on the server. They are expected to overreact in order to maintain the civility of the server.

And lastly, I'd suggest deleting any reference to the admin in question, since that will NOT help your appeal at all.

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Wait a month if they don't get my appeal?? Seriously?? That's ridiculous..I understand and respect the social rules of the server, but my appeal is that it wasn't me using my account in the first place (Even though there's no way for me to prove that to the admins) I didn't say the name of the admin who banned me, so their identity is not an issue. I don't expect my comment about the mod who banned me to help or deter my appeal at all, I'm simply expressing how frustrating it is. I trust that the admins and/or mods are reasonable people and can at least sympathize with me as individuals who (I assume) are avid Minecraft players and (I assume) are also adults like myself.

 

[Party_Penguin27]

I also don't think Suck me off is a very common insult, which may have resulted in a ban.

Staff work as hard as they can, and will get to your appeal as soon as possible.

((You may wan to change your minecraft password))

 

[EriktheAtienza]

1) If you own the account you are held liable for any actions it commits, even if it wasn't you who did them. Harsh, but otherwise anyone could get away with anything.
2) Its still best not to comment on the member who banned you, since they are the only one who knows what they were thinking at the time of banning.
3) They are reasonable, but if they sympathize with someone than it would stop being fair to others who break the rules, either by accident or on purpose. They need to assume that everything done was intentional until proven otherwise.

As for the month, that's mostly to avoid getting dozens of appeals I think.

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1) Okay, I've already understood that.
2)I understand this as well. but if they take it personally that's on them. I'm not trying to ruin their life, I'm simply making what I feel is a fair comment on how they're doing their job as player on the server who's very active and supportive.
3) Well I have no way of proving my innocence, so I'll just have to trust that the admins will read my appeal and grant me to access to the server. I'll be crossing my fingers until then.

 

[EriktheAtienza]

I also don't think Suck me off is a very common insult, which may have resulted in a ban.

Staff work as hard as they can, and will get to your appeal as soon as possible.

((You may wan to change your minecraft password))

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But even if it's not common, it was still meant as an insulting comment rather than an attempt to sexually harass another player. I'm not saying that makes it any better, but if someone is going to be accused of soliciting sex, then that person who's being accused better have been directly soliciting sex.

 

[Party_Penguin27]

But even if it's not common, it was still meant as an insulting comment rather than an attempt to sexually harass another player. I'm not saying that makes it any better, but if someone is going to be accused of soliciting sex, then that person who's being accused better have been directly soliciting sex.

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Still the server staff are very strict about these rules.
If you have made a clear and sensible ban appeal on the proper section I'm sure someone will respond within a few days.

 

[MonMarty]

Aside from the constant allegations against server staff over abuse, ban trigger-happy and constant victim complex insertion, I'm going to quickly quote the ban appeal regulations.

That red warning below is important in this situation, as publicizing information from the ban appeal process is against our regulations. The correct way to dispute a ban appeal it trough the complaint section on the forum, not by "bawwwing" about it to other players. It should have been made evidently clear already that this was a pointless venture, as you've only seen more voices of people who disagree with your assertions.

Normally I'd have to formally deny your right to appeal bans forever and then ban your forum account, but since Donators are allotted a tiny amount of leniency, I will instead simply leave the situation as is, and inform you that this thread, while not made impossible, has done insurmountable damage to your future chances of being unbanned.

Best of wishes,
The "Oversensitive" Admin

 

[EriktheAtienza]

Aside from the constant allegations against server staff over abuse, ban trigger-happy and constant victim complex insertion, I'm going to quickly quote the ban appeal regulations.

That red warning below is important in this situation, as publicizing information from the ban appeal process is against our regulations. The correct way to dispute a ban appeal it trough the complaint section on the forum, not by "bawwwing" about it to other players. It should have been made evidently clear already that this was a pointless venture, as you've only seen more voices of people who disagree with your assertions.

Normally I'd have to formally deny your right to appeal bans forever and then ban your forum account, but since Donators are allotted a tiny amount of leniency, I will instead simply leave the situation as is, and inform you that this thread, while not made impossible, has done insurmountable damage to your future chances of being unbanned.

Best of wishes,
The "Oversensitive" Admin

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My goodness, what's with the "in your face" attitude? First off, my post was to simply get some ideas of how long I can expect to banned for, while my appeal is being examined by the server admin(s) not to merely complain about the server, since I overall want to play on it. Why is my opinion considered to be such a great insult? It's not like I'm saying "Oh these stupid admins have their heads shoved up their asses and run a terrible server." I'm just expressing my thoughts as a player to other players. Secondly, why is it such a negative factor for a player to express his or her frustrations about the server on the forum? Why is someone expressing their frustration on the server forum so offensive? We give you our money, we promote the server to our friends, we actively play on it, and for the most part support it because it's an all around great server. So what's the harm in expressing some minor frustration? The fact that you call my opinion merely "bawwwing" shows me that you're not really concerned for my feelings as a supportive member of the server, yet I'm expected to respect the admins that don't even respect their players? I'm not trying to actively break the rules or guidelines of the server, but if you're really going to give me hard time because I'm not totally submissive then doesn't that reflect the character of the admins of Massivecraft?

 

[MonMarty]

Alright, I will dissect.

My goodness, what's with the "in your face" attitude? First off, my post was to simply get some ideas of how long I can expect to banned for, while my appeal is being examined by the server admin(s) not to merely complain about the server, since I overall want to play on it.

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Not an excuse to break the rule. It's literally spelled out in red.

Why is my opinion considered to be such a great insult?

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Would you like me to clarify which part of the following statements we found insulting?:

• Being called Oversensitive
• Being called irresponsible
• Being accused of Abusing staff moderation powers
• Being called unreasonable
• Being accused of being petty
• Being employed tactics of guilt tricking into agreeing with your POV upon
• Being employed tactics of an ethical strawman upon.

Secondly, why is it such a negative factor for a player to express his or her frustrations about the server on the forum? Why is someone expressing their frustration on the server forum so offensive?

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It's not. The rule is a simple sentiment agreement between the staff and the player in question. We promise never to violate the privacy of the appealing player if they agree not to air their own dirty laundry. Past experiences have also pointed out that players often do harm to their own reputation within the community by posting threads like these as they are often ranty, or just downright misinformed. It's as much a protection for the individual who is appealing their ban, as it is a sentimental agreement between the reviewing staff and the player.

We give you our money,

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You don't actually, at least not directly. The majority of the money you donated (between 40 to 50%) is taken as taxes by the Swedish state. On top of that, a large part goes to server upkeep, as in keeping the servers running. What little is left goes to the server owner, which is one individual. All other staff members work for MassiveCraft for free.

So what's the harm in expressing some minor frustration?

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You're not expressing minor frustration. You're attacking the integrity of the staff and the server management, and questioning the validity of the rules after breaking them.

The fact that you call my opinion merely "bawwwing" shows me that you're not really concerned for my feelings as a supportive member of the server

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I was concerned for your feelings up to the point where you posted this thread. I recall saying to _Omnomivore_ "This dude will probably appeal his ban soon, he's premium and probably didn't know that asking players to perform a sexual act on them will result in a permanent ban". I was prepared to accept you simply didn't think this rule was a serious as it was, as we like to call ourselves a family friendly server, yet when you willingly broke the rule that is explicitly stated in the appeal process in bold red, I lost all interest to care in your feelings. And then we're not even talking about the fact that you called me oversensitive and a whole slew of other integrity attacks.

yet I'm expected to respect the admins that don't even respect their players?

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You're not expected to respect the admins. In MassiveCraft we believe respect can only be earned both ways by good work and fairness both ways. We ask players to be patient with staff, and treat them decently, not to respect them. That basically means as long as you don't insult the staff you'll be fine.

I'm not trying to actively break the rules or guidelines of the server, but if you're really going to give me hard time because I'm not totally submissive then doesn't that reflect the character of the admins of Massivecraft?

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Oh looks like I just ran into another insult.

You know frankly, looking back on this whole thing what you've done is A. Come up with excuses. B. Accuse the staff of excesses and C. blame the entire situation on your treatment by staff. Not one second in this entire situation did you actually apologize for letting an unsavory individual access your account and damage the gameplay of people on the server. Not once did you apologize for potentially harming the image of the server by letting this act of violating our gaming environment take place under your supervision and your access.

This isn't "not being totally submissive". This is denying all responsibility and falsely laying the blame elsewhere.

 

[Mecharic]

I did warn you not to say anything about staff...

 

[Jutiere]

After reading all of MonMarty's post, I feel as if I learned so much new vocabulary and about 11 more IQ points. That was a very well written reply you had there. Hats off to you good sir.

 

[leafnosedbat]

Shouldn't this thread be locked, being against the rules?