Anarchy, What's Wrong?!

[Jemo_]

So it has been a while! Yes
I am not active anymore in any in game or role play related stuff, but I still find it fun to get opinions and some extra information.

Anarchy! The new order of the people, no one else!
Just debate some stuff about it , I like beeing on track with the majority. (But still beeing the minority)

 

[Laach]

I hope you don't mind if I put this here. There aren't many recent events or examples involving Anarchy in the world, so I decided a "full picture" might help this debate move along.
(Disclaimer: The categories in which each form of Gov. is placed in are estimated guesses. If you disagree with the placement of one, please tell me where it would better fit.)

Autonomy - Self-government; independence; self-rule:

• Anarchy
• Federal
• Maoism + Marxism + ~Marxism Leninism
• Minimalist State

Authoritarian - enforcing strict obedience at the expense of personal freedom:

• Communism
• Constitutional Monarchy
• Dictatorship
• Ecclesiastical
• Fascism
• Monarchy
• Oligarchy
• Parliamentary Monarchy
• Socialism
• Sultanate
• Theocracy
• Totalitarian

Nuetrality - (neither prevails over the other):

• Common wealth
• Confederacy
• Constitution + Democracy and Republic
• Democracy
• Federal Republic
• Parliamentary government + Democracy
• Positive state
• Republic

Spoiler

Anarchy - lawlessness or political disorder due to absence of governmental authority
Common Wealth - Founded on law and kept together by the people
Communism - state plans and controls the economy
Confederacy - treaty or union by compact between states; each have supreme authority over all matters apart from the matters controlled by central government.
Constitution - Gov. operating under an authoritative document that dictates laws and principles for authority.
Constitutional Democracy - Power of the people is spelled out on the constitution.
Constitutional Monarchy - Monarch is governed by constitution
Democracy - power to the people/ renewable representatives.
Democratic Republic - Power of the people to vote for who has power.
Dictatorship - ruler or small clique have absolute power. Citizens cannot choose.
Ecclesiastical - Gov. administered by the church
Fascism - a Gov. where a dictator forcibly silences any/all opposition and promotes aggressive nationalism
Federal (federative) - Gov. where sovereign power is divided, usually by document.
Federal Republic - Central Gov. restricted. States retain self Gov., and voters choose Gov. representatives.
Maoism - The theory and practice of Marxism Leninism "Continuous revolution necessary for leaders of communism to keep in touch with the people."
Marxism - (Basically the heat death of common Government into Communism)
Marxism Leninism - expanded form of Communism developed by Lenin inspired by Karl Marx.
Monarchy - Supreme power in a Monarch who reigns over a state or territory. Usually life rule and hereditary.
Oligarchy - Gov. dictated by those with wealth and power
Parliamentary Democracy - Political system where legislature (Parliament) selects the Government. Gov. acquires responsibility to the people as well as to Parliament
Parliamentary Government - Gov. where members of the Executive branch are nominated by legislature (parliament) and are directly responsible to it. Gov. can be dissolved at will by Parliament with a no confidence vote, and Parliament can be dissolved by the cabinet if it can no longer function.
Parliamentary Monarch - (basically a lazy Monarch's "Do it yourself" policy)
Republic - A representative democracy where the people's representative, not the people themselves, vote on legislation
Socialism - Dictatorship in disguise where the Gov. seeks a more equitable distribution system of property and labor
Sultanate - Similar to a monarchy.
Theocracy - Deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, but deity's laws are interpreted by ecclesiastical authorities.

Totalitarian - Gov. seeks to subordinate individuals by controlling not only political and economic matters, but also the attitudes, values and beliefs of its population.
Positive state - a government that helps provide the goods, services, and conditions for a prosperous equitable society.
Minimalist state - a government that restricts its activities to providing only goods that the free market cannot produce

 

[Jemo_]

If one votes a serious thing can you please comment why? Thanks.

 

[Laach]

"Yeah I wish we did a big rewrite of the system and get in to a socially acceptable system."

It's not that I can't follow the rules, it's that I can't be expected to remember and follow all of the rules. That, and the mere idea of having limits placed on me is overly unsettling. It kinda dashes my hopes to think that 'I'll only be as good as this person allows me to be'.

 

[Waminer]

I hope you don't mind if I put this here. There aren't many recent events or examples involving Anarchy in the world, so I decided a "full picture" might help this debate move along.
(Disclaimer: The categories in which each form of Gov. is placed in are estimated guesses. If you disagree with the placement of one, please tell me where it would better fit.)

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I think you kind of forgot one of the most important political movements of the last century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

While a definition of Fascism is hard to nearly impossible; it cannot be disregarded completely.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

This is a pretty cool site for the test. While the last page which makes the test overly focused about issues of Sexuality this usually only causes a slight distortion to the downwards. My Authoritarian score was 4.6 and my right to left was 6.25 for reference.

 

[Jemo_]

I think you kind of forgot one of the most important political movements of the last century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

While a definition of Fascism is hard to nearly impossible; it cannot be disregarded completely.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

This is a pretty cool site for the test. While the last page which makes the test overly focused about issues of Sexuality this usually only causes a slight distortion to the downwards. My Authoritarian score was 4.6 and my right to left was 6.25 for reference.

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Thanks for the tip! Btw it was hard to understand sometimes as a foreigner but my results are:
Economic Left/Right: -5.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79

 

[james_block2]

I don't believe anarchy could work.

If there were no government in any given area, humans would have no difference than animals. They may put down a house or something, but they would have to be totally alone.

To reproduce, a man could mate, leave, and let the woman raise the child alone.
If anyone wants anything done, they would have to do it themselves or run around like a decapitated chicken looking for random people to help, then immediately dismiss them.
If there's a dispute that gets heated enough (or a lot of little disputes), there is nothing to stop a whole population of humans from killing each other off.
People would have to gather their own food. They would have to find or make their own shelter.


Even if it did come about, anarchy is nigh-unsustainable. humans will almost always band together in some form.
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If one person comes across someone else, becomes good friends, and starts a family, the family will try to stay together and help each other (in most cases.) The family will grow, and eventually become a tribe.
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If one person starts to get a little cocky and has the strength or firepower to back it up, they will often start ordering people around. They become a form of dictator, and what they desire happens.
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If there is an issue like a drought or a flood, people will either band together to fix it or die. This removes the anarchy, at least temporarily.
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If two people live in one shelter, they will fight for dominance and if the result is consistent, the house would no longer be "anarchic" (Kind of stretching it, but keep reading
.) If the shelters get close enough together, people near others will try to establish dominance whenever an occasion to do so arises, and there would be a community.
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If there gets to be any large-scale dispute, any ensuing fights would result in at least one victor. They would put their foot down, state their word as law, and, in some cases, get sick of fighting and just say "I make the rules now!"



In short, even in the unlikely event that a sustained anarchy was in place, humans would really get nowhere as a species, and have a pretty sucky life. And would probably have to consciously choose to stay that way, as any form of cohesive group would be enough to at least suspend anarchy.