Archived Alt Account Spies

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gridiron1024

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Hello,
As I am sure most of you know by now, recently the use of alternate accounts to obtain information or resources by sneaking into enemied factions is now illegal. Although I see the logic behind it, I do think spies add another dimension to wars, even though the act of using spies is generally frowned upon by the community. What I would like to suggest is that using alt account spies is legal only if the faction the spy is from has an approved war declaration on the faction being infiltrated. This way it spy warfare into the factions world without having the risk of randomly being infiltrated, as if you are not at war, you are safe. If someone does declare war on you, you could then take the necessary precautions to essentially spy-proof your base, making this suggestion really only work on those too foolish enough to know how to spy proof their faction. The following rules regarding alt spies are what I think would work nicely;

Alt spies would be allowed to do the following:
  • Infiltrate factions that are at war with them, meaning a war declaration is already approved
  • Steal information in faction chat
  • Steal portal combos
  • Open doors or create an entrance as defined by existing rules (2-4 blocks)
  • Steal items out of open containers
  • Steal up to 1/2 of the faction bank money, maxing out at 5000 Regals
Alt spies would not be allowed to do the following:
  • Steal valuable blocks that are already placed
  • Break more than 2-4 blocks to create an entryway
  • Steal more than the above amount from the faction bank
  • Change faction perms (Assuming they get officer and the leader has officer edit perms on)
  • Private doors/blocks in the enemy faction

Punishment for breaking any of the above rules would result in whatever the current punishment for using alt spies with the existing rules is.

Please leave ideas, comments, and criticism below.
-Grid
 
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I Think it Will make it more complicated for staff to enorme the rules. And the amount of ting allowed ro steal should have a cap. The money stealing cap should also be 1000. 5000 is a lot.
 
@Madus
@ElfArcher9191
The bank is a place to store money in the faction, that by default only officers can withdrawal from.
The reason I put it so high was because if a faction stores money in a bank, then promotes noobs to officers, they really deserve to lose that money. Officers should only be trusted members.
 
@Madus
@ElfArcher9191
The bank is a place to store money in the faction, that by default only officers can withdrawal from.
The reason I put it so high was because if a faction stores money in a bank, then promotes noobs to officers, they really deserve to lose that money. Officers should only be trusted members.

if you wanted it bad enough you could work...
 
๖ۣۜWell, if you were to infiltrate the faction and then the war were to end if your spy was still in it, what would you do? Would they have to leave the faction?
 
You can't use alts for this. We have not said that people can't be spies, as long as their actions are otherwise within the rules. If you want a spy, recruit one, but this way you will never know if they are a double agent.
 
Using an alt to infiltrate and steal from an enemy faction is in my opinion just a way to work around the protections of the factions plugin, which could be seen as abusing a plugin.
 
Personally I see no problem in it. RP wise, and Morally wise. If you are not smart enough to catch a spy does it matter if it was someone else or someone you are fighting. I could just take one my alt account and give it to one of my friends and just have them do the spying. It is basically the same.
 
feel free to spy on your normal account, having two accounts to do so is cheating in every way. done.
 
Personally I see no problem in it. RP wise, and Morally wise. If you are not smart enough to catch a spy does it matter if it was someone else or someone you are fighting. I could just take one my alt account and give it to one of my friends and just have them do the spying. It is basically the same.
Giving your account to a friend is against the Mojang terms of service so would result in a permanent ban. If we found out it was your alt, either before or after the spying, it would also result in a permanent ban. I realize there are people who see no problem with breaking the law, morally wise, but that doesn't happen to be the view of this server.
 
If your character is going to be a spy, use that character. An alt is an entirely different person who cares absolutely zilch for your silly war. Using an alt in this way is what we used to call 'character crossing' before MMOs even existed, and was probably the #1 roleplaying faux pas. Doing so would get you shunned by the RP community as a whole. You want a spy? Hire one. You want to try to infiltrate yourself? Do it as your own character without cheating.
 
Giving your account to a friend is against the Mojang terms of service so would result in a permanent ban. If we found out it was your alt, either before or after the spying, it would also result in a permanent ban. I realize there are people who see no problem with breaking the law, morally wise, but that doesn't happen to be the view of this server.
So we can still hire spies to achieve the same purpose, so long as the person is using his/her main account and not an alt?
 
Why not? I'm certain there are plenty of rogue characters who would be willing to hire out as a spy. Go to the tavern and find one.
 
Why not? I'm certain there are plenty of rogue characters who would be willing to hire out as a spy. Go to the tavern and find one.
๖ۣۜThey are talking for OOC matters, actually. People such as I usually aren't loud about being worthful as a spy, as it gives up our position ( I used to do it for people, not anymore though ) . If you go for someone IC to be a spy for OOC matters, don't pick an assassin who says he is. That isn't a very good assassin. Not only that, but you just need someone for OOC stuff, because they will be under actual pressure and they will be under stress here and there, if they're long-term ones.
 
If your character is going to be a spy, use that character. An alt is an entirely different person who cares absolutely zilch for your silly war. Using an alt in this way is what we used to call 'character crossing' before MMOs even existed, and was probably the #1 roleplaying faux pas. Doing so would get you shunned by the RP community as a whole. You want a spy? Hire one. You want to try to infiltrate yourself? Do it as your own character without cheating.

This is mostly about PvP / wars - not really RP.
 
This raises a good question: If alternate accounts are not to be used to evade punishments/spy on other factions, what are they to be used for?
 
This raises a good question: If alternate accounts are not to be used to evade punishments/spy on other factions, what are they to be used for?
An alternative to your main account, running several factions at once, an alternate rp character maybe?
Alt accounts have many uses and not all off them have to be gamebreaking.
 
I am not for this idea, for the reasons that firstly: It's meta as hell.

You're basically using the same person (you) to gather information instead of another person, having another person adds more RP dynamics in the sense that you're not physically there.

Secondly it's unfair on the people who don't have alt accounts, they wont have the same access to this, whilst some people only have 1 account to maintain fairness in the game, people have 3, 4, and even 5 alt accounts and you could exploit this to potentially get a large wealth of information to win wars, freely meaning you don't hire people and meta, meaning there is no exchange of information, it goes directly to you.

That's why I am against alt account spying, why not just get another person?
 
This raises a good question: If alternate accounts are not to be used to evade punishments/spy on other factions, what are they to be used for?
Holding control of your faction while you do other stuff (helpful when buying and selling factions. Adding faction power to your own faction. Keeping chunks loaded (not sure if this is allowed).
 
@yendor46 Why is the use of alts in this way illegal. What is the logic behind it?

It's essentially cheating. Another player could be the spy, or you can try and get a defector, but alts on general are and SHOULD be frowned upon. It's like putting on a mustache and going in, except there's no way of telling it's you... It's cheating.
 
It's essentially cheating. Another player could be the spy, or you can try and get a defector, but alts on general are and SHOULD be frowned upon. It's like putting on a mustache and going in, except there's no way of telling it's you... It's cheating.

Cheating? Cheating is using Nodus. Having an alt account should not be frowned upon alt accounts have various uses.
 
Cheating? Cheating is using Nodus. Having an alt account should not be frowned upon alt accounts have various uses.
Yet all of them are malicious in nature. I am completely against alts. People use them to add more power for land on their factions that have only them and their alts. It's unfair and cheating the system in my opinion. There's NO way for the faction you're intruding to know if you're a spy until you give it away. There's no full fledged way to find out some one is an alt unless you're told so. It's unfair. I don't have the words for it but it's wrong.
 
Yet all of them are malicious in nature. I am completely against alts. People use them to add more power for land on their factions that have only them and their alts. It's unfair and cheating the system in my opinion. There's NO way for the faction you're intruding to know if you're a spy until you give it away. There's no full fledged way to find out some one is an alt unless you're told so. It's unfair. I don't have the words for it but it's wrong.

I don't think having alts for extra power, and the ability to leave and help other factions, and the ability to have a storage faction. is Malicious one bit. Also everyone knows my alts. The staff and my enemies especially, so no malicious behavior is to be had by my alt accounts.